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    Iraq war planned two years before 9/11

    According to author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz, then presidential candidate George W. Bush was already talking privately about the political benefits of attacking Iraq two years before September 11 occurred.
    "He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999," said President Bush's former ghost writer.

    "It was on his mind. He said to me: 'One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.' And he said, 'My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.' He said, 'If I have a chance to invade, if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency."

    Herskowitz said that Bush expressed frustration at a lifetime as an underachiever in the shadow of an accomplished father. In aggressive military action, he saw the opportunity to emerge from his father's shadow. The moment, Herskowitz said, came in the wake of the September 11 attacks. "Suddenly, he's at 91 percent in the polls, and he'd barely crawled out of the bunker."

    In 1999, Herskowitz struck a deal with the campaign of George W. Bush about a ghost-written autobiography, which was ultimately titled A Charge to Keep : My Journey to the White House, and he and Bush signed a contract in which the two would split the proceeds.

    Herskowitz was given unimpeded access to Bush, and the two met approximately 20 times so Bush could share his thoughts. Herskowitz began working on the book in May, 1999, and says that within two months he had completed and submitted some 10 chapters, with a remaining 4-6 chapters still on his computer. Herskowitz was replaced as Bush's ghostwriter after Bush's handlers concluded that the candidate's views and life experiences were not being cast in a sufficiently positive light.

    Bush's attitude toward Iraq emerged recently in two taped interviews of Herskowitz revealing the following:

    - In 2003, Bush's father indicated to him that he disagreed with his son's invasion of Iraq.

    - Bush admitted that he failed to fulfill his Vietnam-era domestic National Guard service obligation, but claimed that he had been "excused."

    - Bush revealed that after he left his Texas National Guard unit in 1972 under murky circumstances, he never piloted a plane again.

    - Bush described his own business ventures as "floundering" before campaign officials insisted on recasting them in a positive light.

    According to Herskowitz, George W. Bush's beliefs on Iraq were based in part on a notion dating back to the Reagan White House - ascribed in part to now-vice president Dick Cheney, Chairman of the House Republican Policy Committee under Reagan. "Start a small war. Pick a country where there is justification you can jump on, go ahead and invade."

    Bush's circle of pre-election advisers had a fixation on the political capital that British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher collected from the Falklands War. Said Herskowitz: "They were just absolutely blown away, just enthralled by the scenes of the troops coming back, of the boats, people throwing flowers at [Thatcher] and her getting these standing ovations in Parliament and making these magnificent speeches."

    Republicans, Herskowitz said, felt that Jimmy Carter's political downfall could be attributed largely to his failure to wage a war. He noted that President Reagan and President Bush's father himself had (besides the narrowly-focused Gulf War I) successfully waged limited wars against tiny opponents - Grenada and Panama - and gained politically. But there were successful small wars, and then there were quagmires, and apparently George H.W. Bush and his son did not see eye to eye.

    "I know [Bush senior] would not admit this now, but he was opposed to it. I asked him if he had talked to W about invading Iraq. "He said, 'No I haven't, and I won't, but Brent [Scowcroft] has.' Brent would not have talked to him without the old man's okaying it." Scowcroft, national security adviser in the elder Bush's administration, penned a highly publicized warning to George W. Bush about the perils of an invasion.

    Other indications on the direction George W. Bush was about to take came in December 1999, when he surprised veteran political chroniclers, including the Boston Globe 's David Nyhan, with his blunt pronouncements about Saddam at a six-way New Hampshire primary event that got little notice:

    "It was a gaffe-free evening for the rookie front-runner, till he was asked about Saddam's weapons stash," wrote Nyhan. 'I'd take 'em out,' [Bush] grinned cavalierly, 'take out the weapons of mass destruction, I'm surprised he's still there," said Bush of Saddam Hussein. It remains to be seen if that offhand declaration of war was just Texas talk, a sort of locker room braggadocio, or whether it was Bush's first big clinker. "

    The notion that President Bush held unrealistic or naïve views about the consequences of war was further advanced recently by a Bush supporter, the evangelist Pat Robertson, who revealed that Bush had told him the Iraq invasion would yield no casualties.

    In the end, campaign officials decided not to go with Herskowitz's account, and, moreover, demanded everything back. "The lawyer called me and said, 'Delete it. Shred it. Just do it.' "

    Source: globalnewsmatrix.com

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    They also have plans on how to hit N Korea, Iran, etc, etc, etc..

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    i have posted this article 1 min ago did u have time to read it and analyse it befor replying!? well this is an advise try reading and analysing political articles befor commenting.

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    Thanks for the advice. I read it. Here is some for you. Take an english class.

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    yea I forgot you are a 3ghz processor your read and analyse a big political article in 1 min.

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    I read fast, so sue me. You going to say anything about the point I made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack
    They also have plans on how to hit N Korea, Iran, etc, etc, etc..
    man come on clean your mess in Iraq first,an average of 3 americans/day are getting killed in Iraq and Rumsfeild said that Iraq is not safer than 2003, things are getting worse and the only reason Bush is keeping the army is Iraq is to preserve USA face and please "israel".

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    You going to say anything about the point I made?


    ps I copied and pasted that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack
    They also have plans on how to hit N Korea, Iran, etc, etc, etc..

    And China has a fifty year plan to rule the world economically. US policy is all about military.......China will take over monetarily

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badgerman
    And China has a fifty year plan to rule the world economically. US policy is all about military.......China will take over monetarily
    No

    China is a paper tiger, it will ruin itself quite rapidly alienating some of his neighbors and bring his decline (not gonna cry over it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
    No

    China is a paper tiger, it will ruin itself quite rapidly alienating some of his neighbors and bring his decline (not gonna cry over it)
    Take a look at where everything is made......they'll let the US do all the world's policing while they rake in the profits........huge workforce, tight discipline.......where as we are undisciplined with an aging populace being buoyed by a shitload of illegals......recipe for disaster for US

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badgerman
    Take a look at where everything is made......they'll let the US do all the world's policing while they rake in the profits........huge workforce, tight discipline.......where as we are undisciplined with an aging populace being buoyed by a shitload of illegals......recipe for disaster for US

    - The difference between the people are increasing
    - difference between zones and increasing
    - demands from provinces for capitalism and liberty are increasing
    - catholicism is spreading like mad
    - tensions between the party are increasing
    - students want change
    - india, pakiland and russia are waiting to kick their ass
    - military they are paper tiger, good in kung fu but got their ass kicked since the mongols up to the Indian and Russian in the 60's
    - dont understand the world "us versus savages"
    - 95% of the economy is own by the UK and US.
    - They have the economy of an african country
    - Tensions are increasing between ehtnic groups in china
    - and SARS!!!!!!!!!!

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    OH

    AND BAD BUSINESS ETHIC! actually none, that why many many many prefer India now. indian have an anglo saxon business ethic!

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    The future international system will be a tripolar system with USA,EU and China. USA is weakning itself because of those stupid wars for the sake of "israel" , Henry Kissinger in his book" Does America need a foreign policy" made an advise to the current policy makers in the congress and the white house to put USA interests above the lobbies interests (espacialy the zionist lobby) and to try working on what bring good things to USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack
    Thanks for the advice. I read it. Here is some for you. Take an english class.
    Your time here is rapidly coming to an end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOUNCER
    Your time here is rapidly coming to an end.


    Why? Because I give back crap that I am getting? Its all to obvious where your political leanings are. Its too bad that you use your power as a mod to push them through. Im not going to change who I am. I get crap Im going to give crap. He was rude. If you want to ban me, go ahead but like I said your not going to change who I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
    man come on clean your mess in Iraq first,an average of 3 americans/day are getting killed in Iraq and Rumsfeild said that Iraq is not safer than 2003, things are getting worse and the only reason Bush is keeping the army is Iraq is to preserve USA face and please "israel".


    You want to tell me how many ppl the Americans are killing every day? Your talking about our body count, lets talk about yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
    The future international system will be a tripolar system with USA,EU and China. USA is weakning itself because of those stupid wars for the sake of "israel" , Henry Kissinger in his book" Does America need a foreign policy" made an advise to the current policy makers in the congress and the white house to put USA interests above the lobbies interests (espacialy the zionist lobby) and to try working on what bring good things to USA.




    Are you a prophet? Why can you see the future so good? You keep saying all this stuff thats going to happen. You know, I am hoping that democracy takes hold in Iraq. If the population elects leaders that tell the U.S. to go to hell, thats fine. At least it will be the word of its people, not its dictator.

    You can look at North Korea. Things are stable but the people are starving while the dictator spends all the countries money on weapons. Sounds very similar to Iraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack
    Its all to obvious where your political leanings are. Its too bad that you use your power as a mod to push them through.
    It would be interesting hearing (from you) where my political leanings are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
    - military they are paper tiger, good in kung fu but got their ass kicked since the mongols up to the Indian and Russian in the 60's
    Not exaclty, ever war China has been involved in has ended in a draw, even against the US.

    China was involved in the Korean war, and it was a draw, the US will admit it.

    China was involved in the Vietnam war, and it was a draw, or a loss for the US, the US will admit it.

    India and China have fought wars, and it ended in a draw.

    China isnt a paper tiger. It is a sleeping tiger.

    That part of the world is a power. India and China together will be the next block in terms of power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack
    You want to tell me how many ppl the Americans are killing every day? Your talking about our body count, lets talk about yours.
    Body count is nothing, in terms of Iraqis, because there is an endless supply. And it wont effect the American army one bit.

    But unlike the Iraqi rebels, the American occupation is costly, very costly, everyday of a military occupation cost millions of dollars, to run supplies, maintian equipment, feed the troops, fuel, transportation etc etc etc.

    It will cost money, and that is huge weakness. The longer the war prolongs the worst off it is for the American army, and the country itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
    - The difference between the people are increasing
    - difference between zones and increasing
    - demands from provinces for capitalism and liberty are increasing
    - catholicism is spreading like mad
    - tensions between the party are increasing
    - students want change
    - india, pakiland and russia are waiting to kick their ass
    - military they are paper tiger, good in kung fu but got their ass kicked since the mongols up to the Indian and Russian in the 60's
    - dont understand the world "us versus savages"
    - 95% of the economy is own by the UK and US.
    - They have the economy of an african country
    - Tensions are increasing between ehtnic groups in china
    - and SARS!!!!!!!!!!
    One more thing, the people in the Xin Jiang province of China will start a gorilla war, to get an Independent state for the Uighur and other Muslims of China.

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    Body count is nothing, in terms of Iraqis, because there is an endless supply. And it wont effect the American army one bit.


    He was pointing out our losses.



    But unlike the Iraqi rebels, the American occupation is costly, very costly, everyday of a military occupation cost millions of dollars, to run supplies, maintian equipment, feed the troops, fuel, transportation etc etc etc.

    It will cost money, and that is huge weakness. The longer the war prolongs the worst off it is for the American army, and the country itself.



    Very true. Hopefully at some point, Iraq will be able to defend itself.
    Last edited by RA; 06-16-2005 at 08:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    Not exaclty, ever war China has been involved in has ended in a draw, even against the US.

    China was involved in the Korean war, and it was a draw, the US will admit it.

    China was involved in the Vietnam war, and it was a draw, or a loss for the US, the US will admit it.

    India and China have fought wars, and it ended in a draw.

    China isnt a paper tiger. It is a sleeping tiger.

    That part of the world is a power. India and China together will be the next block in terms of power.
    I think that Japan, did get the upper hand on China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigen12
    I think that Japan, did get the upper hand on China.
    True, but Japan only occupied large cities, they occupied only the imporant parts of China, they couldnt handle all of China.

    And China at that time wasnt the way it is today.

    At that time Japan only fought against the Guomintang, they didnt fight the communist rebels trained by Mao.

    After the WW2, the Communists beat the Guomintang, and they established the Communist Chinese state in 1949.

    But the Communists were stronger than the Guomintang, but the Japanese didnt fight the Communists.

    I meant the modern state of China, you cant go through all of Chinas history to look for defeats.

    Didnt America loose some wars to the Native American Indians.

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