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    LONDON - Half a dozen explosions

    LONDON - Half a dozen explosions rocked the London subway and tore open a packed double-decker bus during the morning rush hour Thursday. The blasts killed at least two people and injured scores in what a shaken Prime Minister Tony Blair said was a series of "barbaric" terrorist attacks.

    Blair said it was clear the attacks were designed to coincide with the opening of the G-8 summit in Gleneagles, Scotland. The prime minister said the meeting of world leaders would continue but that he would return to London.

    "Whatever they do, it is our determination that they will never succeed in destroying what we hold dear in this country and in other civilized nations throughout the world," Blair said a day after London was awarded the 2012 Olympics.

    Bloodied and bandaged witnesses reported panicked crowds fleeing the blast sites. A witness at the bus explosion said the entire top deck of the bus was destroyed.

    Sir Ian Blair, London's police chief, said he was concerned the explosions were a coordinated attack but said he wouldn't speculate on who was responsible. He said officials had found indications of explosives at one of the sites.

    A senior Israeli official said Scotland Yard told Israel minutes before the explosions that it had received warnings of possible terror attacks.

    One witness, Darren Hall, said some passengers emerging from an evacuated subway station had soot and blood on their faces. He told BBC TV that he was evacuated along with others near the major King's Cross station and only afterward heard a blast.

    Police confirmed an explosion destroyed a double-decker bus at Russell Square in central London. Dow Jones Newswires reported that police said there were explosions on two other buses.

    "I was on the bus in front and heard an incredible bang, I turned round and half the double decker bus was in the air," Belinda Seabrook told Press Association, the British news agency.

    She said the bus was packed with people. "It was a massive explosion and there were papers and half a bus flying through the air," she said.

    Police said incidents were reported at the Aldgate station near the Liverpool Street railway terminal, Edgware Road and King's Cross in north London, Old Street in the financial district and Russell Square in central London, near the British Museum.

    Bradley Anderson, a subway passenger, told Sky News that "there was some kind of explosion or something" as his train reached the Edgware Road station in northeast London.

    "Everything went black and we collided into some kind of oncoming train," Anderson said.

    Simon Corvett, 26, who was on an eastbound train from Edgware Road station, said: "All of sudden there was this massive huge bang."

    "It was absolutely deafening and all the windows shattered," he said. "There were just loads of people screaming and the carriages filled with smoke.

    "You could see the carriage opposite was completely gutted," he said. "There were some people in real trouble."

    London's cell phone network was working after the explosions but was overloaded and spotty, limiting communication.

    The explosions sent stocks plummeting in Europe, with several of the major indexes down 3 percent.
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    Terror is terror, if it is being commited by Al Queda in London. Or by Britian and the US in Iraq.

    Think about the terror the Iraqis are going through, in the war in Iraq.

    Seven bombings in one city, might shock the nation and the world, and they make it seem like the biggest deal in the world.

    But when Iraq and all its cities are bombed, using Shock and Awe tactics, that is deemed ok by the US and Britian.

    Once again double standards.

    This is nothing compared to what Iraq is going through.

    Both are wrong, but the Iraqis are suffering worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    Terror is terror, if it is being commited by Al Queda in London. Or by Britian and the US in Iraq.

    Think about the terror the Iraqis are going through, in the war in Iraq.

    Seven bombings in one city, might shock the nation and the world, and they make it seem like the biggest deal in the world.

    But when Iraq and all its cities are bombed, using Shock and Awe tactics, that is deemed ok by the US and Britian.

    Once again double standards.

    This is nothing compared to what Iraq is going through.

    Both are wrong, but the Iraqis are suffering worst.

    I understand your point, however I think you'll agree that there is a difference between what is going on in Iraq, and deliberately targeting civilians on their way to work.

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    Killing civilians to get your point across....
    In Iraq alot of those so called civilians are infact suicide bombers and undercover terrorists..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    Terror is terror, if it is being commited by Al Queda in London. Or by Britian and the US in Iraq.

    Think about the terror the Iraqis are going through, in the war in Iraq.

    Seven bombings in one city, might shock the nation and the world, and they make it seem like the biggest deal in the world.

    But when Iraq and all its cities are bombed, using Shock and Awe tactics, that is deemed ok by the US and Britian.

    Once again double standards.

    This is nothing compared to what Iraq is going through.

    Both are wrong, but the Iraqis are suffering worst.
    Double standards my a$$. We gave warning in Iraq, we told them to get out if they could. Then we dropped bombs in war. Real war, nation to nation. Our military bombed military facilities and insurgence bases. Not some militant faction bombing a subway that is used to go to work...

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    do you really believe its the same causasian??

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    Terror is terror, if it is being commited by Al Queda in London. Or by Britian and the US in Iraq.

    Think about the terror the Iraqis are going through, in the war in Iraq.

    Seven bombings in one city, might shock the nation and the world, and they make it seem like the biggest deal in the world.

    But when Iraq and all its cities are bombed, using Shock and Awe tactics, that is deemed ok by the US and Britian.

    Once again double standards.

    This is nothing compared to what Iraq is going through.

    Both are wrong, but the Iraqis are suffering worst.


    Of course you are going to justify targeting civilians. Personally I would not mind if the U.S. dropped bombs on every muslim country until the terrorism stopped.

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/...sions_al_qaida

    "Rejoice, Islamic nation. Rejoice, Arab world. The time has come for vengeance against the Zionist crusader government of Britain in response to the massacres Britain committed in Iraq and Afghanistan," said the statement, translated by The Associated Press in Cairo. The AP was unable to access the Web site where it was posted, which was closed quickly after the reports.

    The group al-Qaida in Europe claimed responsibility for the last major terror attack in Europe: a string of bombs that hit commuter trains in Madrid, Spain in March 2004, killing 191 people. Two days after that attack, a video was found in a trash can outside a Madrid mosque with a statement purported to be from the group's spokesman, called by the nickname "Abu Dujan al Afghani."

    In the new statement, the group said "the heroic mujahedeen carried out a blessed attack in London, and now Britain is burning with fear and terror, from north to south, east to west."

    "We warned the British government and the British people repeatedly. We have carried out our promise and carried out a military attack in Britain after great efforts by the heroic mujahedeen over a long period to ensure its success."

    "We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all crusader governments that they will receive the same punishment if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan," the statement went on.

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    My prayers to those in the U.K.


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    "We warned the British government and the British people repeatedly. We have carried out our promise and carried out a military attack in Britain after great efforts by the heroic mujahedeen over a long period to ensure its success."
    Using this logic, we would be carpet bombing any countries that support these terrorists.

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    best wishes to any of you bros who might live over there, or have family or friends, who may have been affected. all the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsa
    Double standards my a$$. We gave warning in Iraq, we told them to get out if they could. Then we dropped bombs in war. Real war, nation to nation. Our military bombed military facilities and insurgence bases. Not some militant faction bombing a subway that is used to go to work...
    agreed nsa (Thanks for the kind words from other members)...i hate them hit and run m*th*rf*ck*rs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigen12
    Using this logic, we would be carpet bombing any countries that support these terrorists.
    I've repeatedly said that there is only one way, in the history of the human race, to insure one group of people never attacks another again.

    Moslems will find out what it is first hand, if they keep it up, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooker
    I've repeatedly said that there is only one way, in the history of the human race, to insure one group of people never attacks another again.

    Moslems will find out what it is first hand, if they keep it up, I think.

    I agree,

    Until, rooting out these terrorists, is a priority for the worlds Muslim population, these attacks will continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooker
    I've repeatedly said that there is only one way, in the history of the human race, to insure one group of people never attacks another again.

    Moslems will find out what it is first hand, if they keep it up, I think.
    It's going to take more than todays attacks to really set this show on fire. One dirty bomb and the muslim countries better watch their skies for incoming ICBM's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsa
    Double standards my a$$. We gave warning in Iraq, we told them to get out if they could. Then we dropped bombs in war. Real war, nation to nation. Our military bombed military facilities and insurgence bases. Not some militant faction bombing a subway that is used to go to work...
    CBS 60 Minutes May 12, 1966



    LESLEY STAHL

    To punish Saddam Hussein for invading
    Kuwait and to make sure he doesn't do anything like that again, or
    worse, the UN imposed sanctions on Iraq, the harshest, most
    comprehensive sanctions in modern times. Very little goes into the
    country; virtually no oil goes out. The United States says ~there
    wouldn't be any sanctions at all if Saddam stop lying about his
    destructive weapons and complied with UN demands. Meanwhile, it's no
    secret that the sanctions are causing hardships. But as we learned on
    our trip to Iraq, it's not the leaders who are suffering; it's the
    people and especially the children. An estimated 500,000 children,
    half a million, have died. (Footage of children in hospital)
    STAHL: (Voiceover) This is a ward in a pediatric hospital in Baghdad
    for severely malnourished children. We came here without any government
    interference. In fact, we were allowed to go to any hospital we
    wanted to--we saw five In all--and wander around without restrictions,
    and everywhere we went we saw children like these, malnourished, some
    close to starvation. We saw children who needed medicine they couldn't
    get. These two babies had to share an Incubator which was broken and
    couldn't be repaired. We even heard of cases where gauze for operations
    was beign reused. And this little boy died of pneumonia an hour after
    we took these pictures because there were no antibiotics. Ms. JANE
    PEARCE (United Nations World Food Program): this is quite a--a very
    serious case, actually. This child is 22 months old.
    STAHL: Almost two years old?
    Ms.PEARCE: Yeah. Doctor~~~ (Footage of Pearce and Stahl: sick
    children)
    STAHL: (Voiceover) Jane Pearce works for the United Nations World Food
    Program.
    Ms. PEARCE: (Voiceover) Most people don't realize what's going on.
    They--they don't see pictures of--of babies like we've just seen in
    here. You know, babies that are a third of their--of their recommended
    weight.
    STAHL: Before 1990...
    Ms.PEARCE: Mm-hmm.
    STAHL: before the war and before these sanctions...
    Ms. PEARCE: Was this all unheard of in this country?
    Yeah, Yes.
    STAHL: Did not exist at all?
    Ms. PEARCE: Didn't exist.
    (Footage of doctor examining child, medical equipment; Juma and
    Shamiri)
    STAHL (Voiceover-) Iraqi doctors are overwhelmed, not only by the
    magnitude of the problem, but because their once up-to-date equipment
    and medicines are no longer available. The sterilizer in the Al Baladi
    Children's Hospital has broken and can't be fixed. And Drs. Mohammed
    Juma and Erfan Al Shamiri, trained to practice Western medicine, are
    now having to practice Third World medicine. So how many babies
    die here a day?
    Dr. ERFAN AL SHAMIRI: Oh, every day, average--at an average, every day
    we- we face about three or four cases dying.
    STAHL: Everyday?
    Dr.SHAMIRI: Everyday.
    STAHL: This ward in a hospital is infested with flies.
    Dr.MOHAMMED JUMA: Yes. Yeah.
    STAHL: I'm swatting them, you're swatting. They're all over. Why does a
    hospital have flies like this?
    Dr. JUMA: The--we--the windows have no nets.
    Dr, SHAMIRI: You--you see, the windows... (Footage ofJuma and Shnmiri;
    children in hospital.
    STAHL: (Voiceover) No nets or screens; no disinfectants or sheets on the
    beds, I saw a--what I would call a graveyard of ambulanccs...
    (Footage of ambulances) Unidentified Man #1: (Voiceover) Right.
    STAHL: (Voiceover) ...broken-down ambulances
    Dr. SHAMIRI: (Voiceover) We have no ambulances here.
    STAHL: (Voiceover-) None? Zero:
    Dr. SHAMIRI: (Voiceover) We have no ambulance for the hospital
    Because we have no spare parts, we have no anything. (Footage of Stahl,
    Juma and Shamiriin hospital pharmacy).
    STAHL: (Voiceover) The doctors took us down to the hospital pharmacy to
    show us how low they are on even simple medicines.
    Dr. JUMA: We have no cough syrup at all.
    Dr. SHAMIRI: No cough syrup.
    Unidentifred Man #2: (Foreign language spoken)
    STAHL: Cough syrup...
    Dr.JUMA: Yeah.
    Dr. SHAMIRI: Yeah.
    Man #3: We have no cough syrupat all. We have no cough syrup.
    STAHL: (Voiceover) To help us determine whether the iraquis are
    exaggerating the health problems or not, we hooked up with this
    international team of doctors, lawyers and health researchers who call
    themselves CESR, The Center for Economic and Social Rights.
    STAHL: (Voiceover) The CESR team, funded by the MacArthur Foundation
    has conducted scientific assessments of the effects of the sanctions.
    UN agencies have used their statistics. We tagged along on their third
    countrywide survey.
    Mr. ROGER NORMAND (Human Rights Attorney; Director, Center for Economic
    and Social Rights): What's the problem? How come eight-still do not
    function?
    Unidentified Man #6: Shortage of the spare parts. (Footage of Norman
    with CESR team at water plant)
    STAHL: (Voiceover) Roger Norman, a human rights lawyer and a director
    of the group. was studying the water and sanitation plants that, like
    hospitals, used to have modern equipment.
    Mr. NORMAND: Empty.
    STAHL: (Voiceover) But Iraq has not been allowed to import chlorine
    under the sanctions because it could be diverted to making chemical
    weapons, and the Iraqi government says it can no longer afford to buy
    the spare parts they need.
    The situation has become so bleak we saw whole city blocks flooded with
    sewage because of broken pipes. We even saw sewage seeping into people's
    homes. This is untreated?
    Mr. NORMAND: Yeah, this is the outflow (Footage of Stahl and Normand at
    a tributary)
    STAHL: (Voiceover) Roger Normand took us to the banks of a tributary of
    the Tigris, where the largest sewage treatment plant in Iraq dumps raw
    sewage right into the river.
    So that brown is basically untreated sewage that's going down and
    becoming the dirnking water?
    MR. NORMAND.: Yeah, because Iraq gets its dringking water from-mostly
    from the Tigris, also from the Euphrates.
    (footage of river)
    MR. NORMAND. (Voiceover) And because the chlorine is not adequate in
    the drinking water plants, and you have such a high bacteria content now
    in the river, you end up with contaminated tap water.
    And you end up with a cycle of disease that you now see in Iraq.
    (Footage of Zaidi examining a child)
    STAHL: (Voiceover) Sarah Zaidi, a Harvard-trained health researcher,
    was heading up a CESR survey of children under five.
    Ms.ZAIDI: We have four teams of about five to six people, and the're
    going house to house. (Footage of Stahl, Zaidi and another woman)
    STAHL: (Voiceover) They visited 1,300 homes, chosen at random., without
    government interference.
    Ms. ZAIDI: OK. He's 104.2
    Unidentified Man #7: Point two. (Footage inside medical clinic)
    STAHL: (Voiceover) Sarah Zaidi says thta many of the children-30
    percent-weigh less than they should. About 12 percent of Iraqi children
    are malnourished, and her research backs up the claim that 500,000 have
    died since the sanctions went into effect.
    Ms.ZAIDI: It has diarrhea
    It's immoral because they are going to hurt the people. The people
    will still get sick. The people still need food.
    (Footage of Iraqi cities)
    STAHL: (Voiceover) Before sanctions, Iraq was one of the most
    industrialized and Westernized countries in the Middle East, with a
    large middle class. Saddam Hussein's government paid for everything with
    oil. There was always plenty of that.
    We're here at Baghdad's Al Dora refinery. Iraq has the
    second largest oil reserve In the world behind only Saudi Arabia.
    Before the sanctions, the country earned more than S15 billion a year
    frum oil exports. (Footage of oil refinery; Hussein; Albright and
    Stahl)
    STAHL: (Voiceover) But under the sanctions, Iraq has heen forbidden to
    sell oil. So even though the sanctions would allow the country to buy
    food and medicine, Saddam Hussein claims they don't have enough money
    to buy them. But Madeleine Albright, the United States
    representative at the UN. says the sanctions haven't hurt him.
    I assume the sanctions regime is to punish him. And the
    question is: Are they missing the mark? Are they punishing the right
    people? I don't see signs that he's suffering.
    Ambassador MADELEINE ALBRIGHTG (US Representative to the United
    Nations): Well, he's not suffering. But let me just say this:
    There's no question that there is a human tragedy going on there. The
    problem is that their priorities are not exactly what one would think.
    Also, Lesley. we have found out that he has spent an incredible amount
    of money on things that are his priorities. Let me show you for the
    first time what his priority is This is the presidential yacht. (Photo
    of Hussein's yacht)
    STAHL: (Voiceover) And he's bought this since the sanctions went into
    effect?
    Ambassador ALBRIGHT: (Yoiceover) He is--has used it. It takes upkeep.
    Now in addition to this residential yacht, he has built 48 new palaces
    since the war, refurbished others to the tune of $1.5 hillion. (Footage
    of Stahl and Mohammed Saleh )
    STAHL: (Voiceover) We put that to Mohammed Saleh. Iraq's minister of
    trade.
    Mr. MOHAMMED SALEH : (Iraq Minister of Trade): We are building palaces
    or bridges or offices in our local currency . (Footage ofpeople counting
    money)
    STAHLVoiceover ) The local currency is dinars, and he reminded us
    that they are not recognized in international markets. They have no
    value outside Iraq. You say you can't use that money...
    Mr. SALEH: Well. I can't use it...
    STAHL: ...internationally to buy anything?
    Mr,SALEH: Yes, this is the problem. If I can use it to buy food and
    medicine, then the problem is solved, but... (Footage of documents;
    Albright)
    STAHL: (Voiceover) Saleh showed us documents with lists of items Iraq
    wanted to import that the sanctions committee at the U'N turned down,
    like batteries and agricultural pumps, anything that would allow them to
    build their country. Also. tires for tire for fire engines and spare
    parts for air conditioners and ambulances. But...
    Madeleine Albright says...
    Ambassadar ALBRIGHT: He tries to import italian marble, videos,
    perfume, leather jackets. When they ask for equipment-you were talking
    about sewage systems? STAHL: Yes.
    Ambassadar ALBRIGHT: When they ask for equipment for water pumps, etc.,
    do you know where they end up? In man-made lakes with huge fountains
    that they have built out in the desert and they have built on the
    gardens of Babylon. They say something that's agricultural parts , it
    turns out to be parts for military equipment. We work very hard in
    the sanctions committee to make sure that the right things get in.
    STAHL: Why are you not letting them have parts for ambulanccs? They
    can't have cotton?
    Ambassador ALBRIGHT: I think the issue is to make sure when certain
    purchases are made, that they go to the appropiate peopoe; that he just
    does not direct them to his little coterie, that they go to the people
    who are suffering. His priorities are wrong. not ours, Lesley. His
    priorities are wrong. (Footage of Hussein)
    STAHL (Voiceover) She says the US is trying to prevent Saddam Hussein
    from making and dropping a nuclear bomb or chemical weapons on other
    countries. And, she says, he's still lying about his weapons
    programs. The United States government does say that all Saddam
    Hussein has to do is comply with what he's already ag--agreed to do at
    the end of the war and there'd be no sanctions.
    Mr. NORMAND: That may be the case but the question that I have is: Is
    it fair to hold an entire nation of 21 million people hostage to the
    whims of a person, who has been described by the same US government as a
    dictator, as unpredictable, as, you know, all of the various things
    that have-that - he has been called? it basically--you're saying that
    until this person behaves. children will have to keep dying. (Footage of
    sick children in hospital)
    STAHL: (Voiceover) And the Iraqis weamet blame the dealths of those
    children not on Saddam Hussein, but on the Americans.
    Dr. JUMA: The sanction is--is mostly--is applied by America, by United
    States. I want them to...
    STAHL: Do you blame them?
    Dr. JUMA: I-I want them to say--to say something to their politicians.
    STAHL: You want us to tell our politicians...
    Dr.JUMA: Yes.
    STAHL: ...But I'm asking if you tell your politicians and you say no.
    Dr. JUMA: No they have nothing to do with the sanctions. We have..,
    STA HL: That's not the way the American people see it.
    Dr.JUMA: The American people?
    STAHL: YES, They think that your politicians don't comply with their
    agreements.
    Dr. JUMA: So they don't -don't get the picture. I don't think they get
    the right picture. Well, it is about six years since sanctions. We had
    employed all the UN wanted from us (Footage of Iraqi people; food
    market; flea market; sick child with the mother)
    STAHL: (Voiceover) If the Iraqi people place any blame on Saddam
    Hussein, they are afraid to say so And there is no longer much hope
    that the sanctions will inspire the people to rise up and topple the
    Government. Now people are just trying to get by because one of the
    side effects of the sanctions has been inflation, which has jumped as
    high as 3,000 percent. To make ends meet, Iraqis are selling
    everything they can. Flea markets have sprung up on the streets, where
    families sell their furniture, clothes, anything they can to make a few
    extra dinars. Most Iraqis are suffering. We have heard that a
    half a million children have died. I mean that's more children than died
    when-wh-in- in Hiroshima, And- and. you know. is the price worth it?
    Ambassador ALBRIGHT: I think this is a very hard choice, but the
    price--we think the price is worth it. (Footage of Albright)
    STAHL: (Voiceover) Worth it because she believes the sanctions are
    working. Ambassador ALBRIGHT: He has, in fact, come cleaner on some of
    these weapons programs than we thought before, and he has recognized
    Kuwait, which was one of the very Important reasons that this whole war
    started.
    STAHL: You know, the UN will say that the sanctions have been
    successful; he's not going to invade another country.
    Mr. NORMAND: If that's the only criterion you have for sanctions you
    could say they're successful.
    STAHL: Well, that was the criteria.
    Mr. NORMAND: But I think sanctions and all legal regimes need to abide
    by fundamental human rights, and you can't have an entire population
    suffering for the sins of the leadership. It--it's like shooting down a
    plane because there are one or two hijackers, and it's a civilian plane
    with 300 people on it.
    Ambassador ALBRIGHT: It is a moral question. but the moral question is
    even a larger one. Don't we owe to the American people and to the
    American military and to the other countries in the region that this man
    not be a threat?
    STAHL: Even with the starvation and the lack...
    Ambassador ALBRIGHT: I think, Lesley--it is hard for me to say this
    because I am a humane person, but my first responsibility is to make
    sure that United States forces do not have to go and refight the Gulf
    War.
    STAHL: The United Nations is negotiating with Iraq not to lift the
    sanctions, but to allow that country to sell a limited amount of oil to
    buy food and medicine.




    Wjat the F!@# are u talking about bro. do some real research and see how many deformities were caused to the iraqi children in the 90's....I think it was U R A NI UM.
    Take a guess man dont be slave to the media

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    My point is that they have always attacked women and children. \
    This in no means makes it right to do the same in the UK....
    for I believe the mozlems didnt do it

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    You don't think it was done by Muslims? Coordinated bombings, mass transit attacks and a public claim of the attack, that doesn't seem like the MO of al-qaeda to you? Seems like Madrid and Bali all over again...

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    nope it want them, nor was the bombing in Madrid done by muslims

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    hell no

    Quote Originally Posted by nsa
    You don't think it was done by Muslims? Coordinated bombings, mass transit attacks and a public claim of the attack, that doesn't seem like the MO of al-qaeda to you? Seems like Madrid and Bali all over again...
    All this coordinations of bombongs are easy set ups for governments to do.

    Honostly, I am a Muslim......Muslims are faar too unorganised to do all this!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridla
    nope it want them, nor was the bombing in Madrid done by muslims
    Your joking right???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridla
    All this coordinations of bombongs are easy set ups for governments to do.

    Honostly, I am a Muslim......Muslims are faar too unorganised to do all this!!!!
    Are you saying that Spain, Indonesia and the UK are the ones who performed these attacks?

    Just because your unorganized doesn't mean that al-qaeda is. They are professional terrorists, they put millions of dollars into these things. If you put millions of dollars into things you would be much more organized about it...

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    Bro they are too unorganised to do it man. look at all the Muslim countries surrounding Palestine.....Why is not "al QaidA" doing more damage there if they believe the land was for the muslims and only muslims??

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    it is a sad day for the uk

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    this huge picture that was painted about Al qaida is BS. Osama bin Laden used to work for the CIA and got his traing there. They could esily get him if they wanted to. But they need an excuse to attack the lands. So they did with Taliban and now Saddam with Iraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridla
    Bro they are too unorganised to do it man. look at all the Muslim countries surrounding Palestine.....Why is not "al QaidA" doing more damage there if they believe the land was for the muslims and only muslims??
    Because the area around Palestine has its own terrorists...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridla
    this huge picture that was painted about Al qaida is BS. Osama bin Laden used to work for the CIA and got his traing there. They could esily get him if they wanted to. But they need an excuse to attack the lands. So they did with Taliban and now Saddam with Iraq.
    We needed an exucse to attack Afghanistan? Why did we attack Afghanistan then if the taliban weren't doing these things? Was it for oil that no one knows about or did we want the moutains for a resort area?

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    So are they more organised than "al qaida that Al qaida cant get through them?
    Are they more organized than the US to the point that US cant hack em????
    U say they are funded a millions of dollars??? What about the US with bbillions and Billions and still the Al qaida insurgents in Iraq are still Alive...Its called a big game man and deception is the main tool

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsa
    We needed an exucse to attack Afghanistan? Why did we attack Afghanistan then if the taliban weren't doing these things? Was it for oil that no one knows about or did we want the moutains for a resort area?
    No my dear friend, they need a stronghold in all parts of the world and that part of Asia is waht they needed. Iraq for oil. As far as palistine goes America funds the isrealis the most becaseu that is there major stepping stone for their foothold in the mid-east. Globalisation is not enough for them. So they use the Israelis to do their dirt work

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridla
    So are they more organised than "al qaida that Al qaida cant get through them?
    Are they more organized than the US to the point that US cant hack em????
    U say they are funded a millions of dollars??? What about the US with bbillions and Billions and still the Al qaida insurgents in Iraq are still Alive...Its called a big game man and deception is the main tool
    I don't even know what the first line is saying.

    The US can't hack them because these plans aren't on the internet.

    Regardless of how much money we have, the insurgents are hard to find when they hide as civilians and ambush our soldiers. See we try not to kill civilians in Iraq, unlike the muslim terrorists who go after the civilians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigen12
    Using this logic, we would be carpet bombing any countries that support these terrorists.
    Not a bad idea there....you running for president?

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    Guys, when the I.R.A. were bombing London and the British mainland on a weekly basis did you guys also call on Britain and the USA to carpet bomb Catholics in Ireland?. Cop on people, you can't generalise and tar every Muslim with the same brush. Al Qeuda or whatever way you spell it! are doing exactly what the USA and Britain is doing, its bringing its fight to the heart of its enemy. Thats in no way justifying this, but you guys have only known terror since 9/11, I've lived with it all my life. As bad as this is it pales in comparision to whats happening in Iraq and other places around the world on a daily basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridla
    . Globalisation is not enough for them. So they use the Israelis to do their dirt work


    lol, you should talk to some of the other members who visit this thread often. They say we are just stupid Americans being duped by the Israel. I think both arguments do not hold water. We are two free nations that are allies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOUNCER
    Cop on people, you can't generalise and tar every Muslim with the same brush. .


    I posted a couple times that when these attacks happen, not 1 muslim denounces the attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack
    I posted a couple times that when these attacks happen, not 1 muslim denounces the attack.

    And if an Irish group, the IRA, INLA, C-IRA, R-IRA etc had done it I'd have denounced it and then given you guys the reason why its happening. CAUSASIAN see's his people getting attacked on a daily basis, his and other Muslims views on these things are alittle different than our's. For your information Gerry Adams, the Sein Fein president has denounced the bombing and sent his condolences to the British people.

    I just don't like to see Muslims get it in the neck when these things happen, like I asked, did you guys ask the British and USA to carpet bomb us here in Ireland when we were hitting British cities on a weekly basis?.

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    These guys go after everyone, not just one or two countries. They have bombed the US, Indonesia, Spain, UK, now they say Italy and Holland are next WTF?!? They have no regard for human life unless it's muslim...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsa
    They have no regard for human life unless it's muslim...
    You know how many Muslims were killed in the WTC?, or Bali, or Indonesia, etc etc..

    Has Bush attacked any Christian countries in the last few years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsa
    These guys go after everyone, not just one or two countries. They have bombed the US, Indonesia, Spain, UK, now they say Italy and Holland are next WTF?!? They have no regard for human life unless it's muslim...


    I believe that it is truly the fanatics,

    And yes they do kill other Muslims, take for instance the suicide bombings that are going on in Iraq, 90% are against other Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOUNCER
    You know how many Muslims were killed in the WTC?, or Bali, or Indonesia, etc etc..
    Not nearly as many as Christians and Jews. BTW, Bali is in Indonesia...

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