07-10-2005, 11:19 AM #1
The event is 10 years old now. Happened July 7th, 1995.
Srebrenica, Bosnia, the world's first United Nations Safe Area, was the site of the worst case of genocide in Europe since World War II. In July 1995, the Bosnian Serb army staged a brutal takeover of the small, intimate spa town and its surrounding region.
Over a period of five days, the Bosnian Serb soldiers separated Muslim families and systematically murdered over 7,000 men and boys in fields, schools, and warehouses.
The U.N. contingent's shameful performance there may actually have even facilitated it. U.N. forces had created a "safe haven" in the town, where they promised protection to refugees from the Serb offensive in northern Bosnia. But when the 600 lightly-armed Dutch peacekeepers came under attack from the Serb forces, they began to retreat.
The Bosnian Muslim fighters who'd surrendered their weapons to the U.N. as a condition for entering the safe haven asked for them back, hoping that they could at least slow the Serb advance on a town jam-packed with refugees. Their request was denied.
The U.N. command dithered over calling air strikes, and when a limited air strike occurred two days after the initial attack, the Serbs responded by threatening to kill 30 Dutch troops they'd captured. That was the end of the air strikes, and the U.N. now found itself cooperating with General Mladic by sending in buses to remove women and children from the area — the Serbs had begun assembling Muslim men aged 12 to 77 for interrogation, and the mass executions began the next day — the same day as the peacekeepers handed over some 5,000 Muslims who'd been sheltering at the Dutch base at Potocari, in exchange for the release of 14 peacekeeping troops. The Dutch left the following day, after negotiating their way out — and leaving behind their weapons as part of the deal.
07-10-2005, 11:24 AM #2
Remember terrorism comes in all shapes and forms. And it happens to everyone.
This event must how that fighters, Muslim or not. Should never give up their arms, especially when the enemy tells them to give up their arms.
Weapons are the only way to defend yourself. Just because of the stupid move by Muslims to give up their weapons and expect another force to defend themselves from the enemies, this happened.
By fighting this would never have happened. Hopefully this serves as a lesson for all Muslims or not. Never give up arms, or never give up the right to fight your enemy.
07-10-2005, 11:35 AM #3Retired Vet
Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
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07-10-2005, 11:35 AM #4
Serbs are one of the most brutal/cruel humans ever walked this earth. they got NO feelings.
07-10-2005, 11:37 AM #5
back in 1990's i've heared scary $hit about the serbs, like this old woman who escaped to Syria and said that the Serbs soldiers raped her daughter infront of her, shot her then boiled her infront of her mother's eyes.
07-10-2005, 11:37 AM #6
JUST FOR BEING MUSLIM, that's is sickkkkkkkkkkk
07-10-2005, 11:40 AM #7Retired Vet
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As bad as what the Serbs did, alot seen it as pay back time for WWII.
07-10-2005, 11:45 AM #8Originally Posted by smokethedays
Kosova, Albania, Bosnia etc.
The crimes the Serbs commited are horrible.
But Naser Oric and his small Bosnian Muslim Militia refused to give up their arms. And ironically they survived, and killed many Serbian soldiers. Shows you how strong a small militia can be with arms and dedication.
Now they are trying him for war crimes.
07-10-2005, 11:50 AM #9Originally Posted by BOUNCER
It was the Croatians that were ok with it. Since Hilter assured them, they werent a target.
07-10-2005, 11:53 AM #10Originally Posted by smokethedays
But he is good. I think atleast...
07-10-2005, 12:03 PM #11
it just disturbs me how ppl could start killing and hating each other for something they believe in. why can't ppl just keep thier ideas and religions as a private thing, the only one who cares about that should be god. does anyone agree on that?
07-10-2005, 12:12 PM #12
Please use Bosnian, not Muslim, they're Bosnian first then whatever religion they are therefore Muslim!
I served there and believe me, most of us, liked the serbs more than the Bosnian,
Bosnian often used their own people as target and blamed it on Serbs and crotian,
Ask former Canadian General McKenzie. The Bosnian were the best in using PR during the war, but even if I think they're where as horrible as the Serbs, the acts made by the serbs are disgusting. ugly and immoral, dont forget they did it not only to the Bosnian but also to croatian, and everything not Slavicaly-Serb.
Also, the foreign fighther came to fight for the Bosnian didnt helped their cause, way too often they were the one creating the mess and the fight based on "Jihad". Sorry but if they would be not "extra-muslim" activities a seize fire would have occured way before, and this is from my experience.
As for UN troops! Please stop blaiming them and what not
I will tell you how this works and how the orders you get, I served in Bosnia, Croatia and Kososo in the 90's.
The rules of engagement made in NYC by the UN and the DPO( Dept of Peace Operation) everything goes in a order and a chart. The office at the UN is a small shitty place, actually you ask yourself if you have your place in the UN's building, because they stuck it in a far far away land into the building, like they dont give a ****, economic, cultural and business development have way bigger office. The UN dont care about peacekeeping, seriouly go to their visit and see the pics, even if canada invented the thing and we are the number one provider of troops we have NO PICS of canadian soldiers on the wall NONE! But you see Russkies, Americans, even ****ing Antartican soldiers that dont go shit in PK!
Anyway, the rules of engagements are easy
- Dont fire if fire upon
- Use the power and the name of the UN to get pass through problems(means you get a blockade, you gonna say "with the power entitled to the United Nation article whatever if you dont let us pass we'll bomb the hell out of you with water balloons")
- If fire upon, reply with similar weapons, so this means
they fire on you with a slingshot, then use a slingshot if you can find one
they use water balloon, then use water balloons
so if you are fire upon with small arms from a sniper accross a vilage, you reply but this of no use , you have one man down, that you want to extract to safety but you cant because of the sniper, well suck it up !!!
Because if you use let's say a canon, or a RPG against the sniper's spot you will be charged of violating the UN CODE!
Gimme a break, until the UN military OPS will be head by liberals wannabe "utopian" civilians, affraid of commitment you will see more of Bosnia, Rwanda!!!!
07-10-2005, 12:19 PM #13
The middle and lower class people of all creeds need to unite against the elitists like Bush, Blair, Cheney, Clinton, Putin, etc etc that put our children in harms way for MONEY......these are our enemies folks.......not Causasian, not Militiaguy, not Bouncer, not Rak Ani........we need to identify the real problem.......and the real problems are the elitists in charge that sacrifice pensions, wages, food, natural resources and general freedom to stuff the pockets of themselves and their cronies with the labour of the general populous.......time to throw the assholes off our backs......we can get along once we don't have our taskmasters fvcking up the world.
Clarity of thinking, transparent action,and righteousness will cast awat the deception and guile of the elite
07-10-2005, 12:22 PM #14Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
07-10-2005, 12:26 PM #15
The US China and Russia will be starting a world war soon if we as the people of the world do not unite against tyrannical leaders.
07-10-2005, 12:27 PM #16Originally Posted by smokethedays
07-10-2005, 12:31 PM #17Originally Posted by smokethedays
I guess Bush thinks he's God
07-10-2005, 12:35 PM #18Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
No, would be the same actually!
what difference them!
first all three talk the same language, as they are the same people!
Serbs are slavic people who are orthodox christian but their writing is in cyrillic.
Bosnian are slavic people but are Muslim
Crotian are also slavic, catholic, but their writing is in western letters.
their hatred doesnt not come from the fact that when the Ottomans came, the "Bosnian" decided to adopt the religion of the conqueror and the Bosnian therefore for centuries had better treatments because they where "Muslim" and oppressed the Serbs and Croats. This comes from centuries of Bullshit, that came from foreign land, actually it was like it is today when some western countries took over and left a mess!
The conflict was started by "Bosnian" forces pressured by exterior fighters, you might disagree with me, as with years the medias showed the bad serbs are the inquisitor of everything in the Balkans, actually the truth is the Bosnian extremists started everything and then it became a war between three "brothers", we should seriously look into the fanatics that went to Bosnia and started the shit on, the people from outside the balkans.
remember the Market attack on Sarajevo, it was proven it was fired by Bosnian forces? Did you ever heard about it? The attack on the Bosnian president by "serbs nationalists" funny it was made by one of his bodyguards, the same bodyguard was at his side the next day, this was comfirmed by Gen MacKenzie(he identified the shooter) But, the same day, the world and the UN blamed the Serbs and got a lil bombing run by NATO!
It was disgusting what they did, seriously, I can write you things that will make your hair stand on your head of shit that I witnessed, it was like walking in a horror movie as a spectator and be an useless man
07-10-2005, 12:37 PM #19Member
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Not the UN's proudest moment.
07-10-2005, 12:51 PM #20Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
If the Bosnians werent Muslims they wouldnt be killed like sheep.
That is why I call them Muslims first. Because that is the differentiating point.
07-10-2005, 08:55 PM #21Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
I call them Bosnian because they never felt "Muslim" before the world identified them as Muslim, the "Islam" they were in is very different than the rest of the world.
07-11-2005, 01:12 AM #22Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
With strife and trouble, people will turn to Islam.
We Chechans went through the same thing. First we werent religious, then we became very liberal in our beliefs, then we became sufis, then sunnis, now we are basically wahhabbis.
07-11-2005, 01:53 AM #23
07-11-2005, 10:20 AM #24
I seriously think there is an Islamic plots, YEAH!
They started the wars there by Islamic fundamentalists, a war between christian and muslim where muslim where mostly not praticant..... see what happen they identified much more to Islam than before!!!
Hey atleast you guys need some conspiracy too!
07-11-2005, 11:06 AM #25
The U.N. is worthless.
07-11-2005, 11:08 AM #26
A great book on the Srebenican massacre is End Game.
07-11-2005, 02:22 PM #27Originally Posted by darmadoc
is there any?
07-11-2005, 09:19 PM #28
148 more pictures from the event -
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