08-01-2005, 02:41 PM #1
New so-called energy bill gives billions to oil corporations, who are experiencing their largest profits ever. Halliburton gets big chunk of cash from new so-called energy bill. If we didn't now better the War in Iraq might be all about oil.
The real bill is in the mail and about to be received by the American taxpayer, oh and by the way while corporations continue to receive more tax breaks in this new bill, they are actively abandoning America and sending America jobs to Communist China, we should all support purchasing from Communist China, it is important that they develop the largest and most modern military in the world. And I for one am proud of American corporations who gladly sell the Communist Chinese military anything they want, we all know the most important thing in the world is money.
08-01-2005, 03:45 PM #2
08-01-2005, 04:25 PM #3
I suppose but revolving into what?
08-01-2005, 04:48 PM #4
One comforting thought is Bush and Cheney will get old soon and be pissing in their pants just like the rest of the old farts.......what's cool is they will be pissing in EXPENSIVE pants........selfish pricks that they are
08-01-2005, 10:02 PM #5
Makes me think of:
"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
08-02-2005, 07:44 AM #6Originally Posted by wolfuncle
08-02-2005, 07:47 AM #7Originally Posted by inheritmylife
08-02-2005, 12:30 PM #8Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
08-02-2005, 12:35 PM #9Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
08-02-2005, 01:13 PM #10
Yes, and if Clinton were doing the exact same things you hypocrites would be saying hes the greatest president ever.
08-02-2005, 02:11 PM #11Originally Posted by roidattack
08-02-2005, 02:45 PM #12
Both parties have been sending jobs to other countries. Im not sure what angle you are arguing from.
Oil war, I will not dignify that with any response.
Who did you vote for then?
08-02-2005, 02:51 PM #13Originally Posted by roidattack
08-02-2005, 02:58 PM #14Originally Posted by wolfuncle
08-02-2005, 03:06 PM #15Originally Posted by wolfuncle
a. Orbital motion about a point, especially as distinguished from axial rotation: the planetary revolution about the sun.
b. A turning or rotational motion about an axis.
c. A single complete cycle of such orbital or axial motion.
2. The overthrow of one government and its replacement with another.
3. A sudden or momentous change in a situation: the revolution in computer technology.
4. Geology A time of major crustal deformation, when folds and faults are formed
So by the dictionary it show not just one not even two but four definitions... This is not the astrological forum but the political one, so my reference would be either definition 2 or 3... Take your pick.
08-02-2005, 03:53 PM #16Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
As seems to be the case with most modern revolutionaries, what you seek probably already existed, since you espouse no specific goal or programs for your post revolutionary society. So rather than evolving I assume you recommend revolving. You do like to spin and in doing so miss subtlety, if you call to revolution has any plans for the post revolution I would love to hear them.
08-02-2005, 03:54 PM #17
**** revolution, I want rebellion.
08-02-2005, 03:57 PM #18Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
08-02-2005, 04:02 PM #19Originally Posted by inheritmylife
08-02-2005, 04:12 PM #20Originally Posted by wolfuncle
It's a pipe dream. I doubt overthrow works unless the populace is educated and aware enough of the nature of the problem to condone inprisoning the policy-makers. Americans think the solutions to our problems lie in gov't, and so they contribute to the problem. They share in the treason.
Outcome...return to Constitional Republican gov't as defined by the US Constition.
Last edited by inheritmylife; 08-02-2005 at 04:21 PM.
08-02-2005, 04:20 PM #21
...but I guess that would make it a revolution, wouldn't it?
08-02-2005, 04:56 PM #22
Anybody against the government must be a terrorist who hates freedom
08-02-2005, 06:13 PM #23Originally Posted by inheritmylife
08-02-2005, 06:17 PM #24Originally Posted by Badgerman
LOL ah yes the infallible, "God speaks through me" George W. Bush religious dictatorship.
08-02-2005, 06:42 PM #25Originally Posted by wolfuncle
A successfull colony would peak the interest of normal people. If they see that there is a place where lifestyle choices were not crimes, but the society didn't turn into intravenous drug addicts. If they saw a place where taxes were nill, but people were better off because of it. If they saw a place where people did not use public schools, but their children were far and away smarter than the average publicly schooled child, they may believe that it is possible in their lives also. All these scenarios could happen, but would the present gov't let it happen?
08-02-2005, 06:54 PM #26Originally Posted by inheritmylife
08-02-2005, 07:32 PM #27Originally Posted by wolfuncle
But if a large enough group could get their white papers on state citezenship accepted, they could send some big smoke signals. By having strictly state citizenship, you are no longer a federal citizen(the incorporated United States defined in Article I, section 8, clause 17 of the Constitution). This is good, very good. You now have true natural rights as defined by the Constitution, DOI, and BOR, instead of civil rights which are created and granted by Congress. You would have the rights to contract, inheritance, work, property in allodium, and travel. Federal citizens are subject to regulations on these "laws" because they are under a completely different system of law called maritime or admiralty law. Their rights are not reserved. They have no Rights, they have privledge. If it seems complicated, it is, but this is how things were meant to be. We are subjects of Congress. We are ruled. Does that sound like the Liberty that was discussed in the DOI to you? To me it sounds just like what the DOI was written to end.
Anyways, if such a colony could form, people would notice. I'd be pretty interested to find out how I could stop paying income tax, property tax, vehicle registration fees, liscensing fees, social security tax, medicare tax, medicaid tax, etc, etc, and on, and on.
The local economy of such an area would skyrocket. People would have more money than they knew what to do with. Business would grow, and people would want to live there.
A good place to start would be an Indian res., but Texas is still considering withdrawing from the Union, as is Hawaii, and Alaska.
Even if people were denied state citizenship, and only retained residency(you are not a citizen of your state, you are a resident), local free-economic policy and privatization could make a big impact.
I'm trying to be the optimist, but I am one who is willing to dance at the end of a rope for freedom and liberty. I wouldn't be the first to die for an idea.
08-02-2005, 08:15 PM #28Originally Posted by inheritmylife
1. Continue to manipulate the world into a series of wars, from which only the “military industrial complex” benefits.
2. Create an enemy that is shrouded in mystery and difficult to identify. (Terror is the new “Communist Scare”) Enact laws through out the world so one can easily label anyone a terrorist and place them in jail or execute them with no legal recourse to the accused.
3. Create a world economy where a very small portion of the population controls most of the world’s resources.
4. Create legislation that will destroy unions worldwide. NAFTA is certainly the steak through the heart of the American Union movement. (Unions are a bit complex since most of the big ones turned into corporate enterprises themselves.)
5. Make environmental protection laws the reason for poverty and not the greed of the few who control most of the world’s resources.
6. Develop large military infrastructures to help prevent any attempts at regional independence.
7. Control the world media to continue to disseminate “newspeak”.
8. Homogenize education so free thought is destroyed at an early age.
There are many other goals but I think most of these are well underway, and surprisingly enough it is the so-called democratic government of the US that has placed the World Corporate Dictatorship in power.
08-02-2005, 08:40 PM #29Originally Posted by wolfuncle
Wilson created the federal reserve. If we could nix the Fed, that would be a start at the rest of the NWO. Again, a pipe dream, but I'm newly enlightened to all this. One year ago I wouldn't have been able to tell you what NAFTA or the IMF are.
08-02-2005, 08:50 PM #30Originally Posted by inheritmylife
08-03-2005, 09:24 AM #31Originally Posted by wolfuncle
To get into a one set way of philosophy based on all these influences would be esoteric.
08-03-2005, 09:44 AM #32Originally Posted by wolfuncle
Are you trying not to make sense? You didnt answer my questions.
08-03-2005, 10:00 AM #33Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
08-03-2005, 10:09 AM #34Originally Posted by wolfuncle
08-03-2005, 10:17 AM #35Originally Posted by roidattackOriginally Posted by roidattack
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08-03-2005, 10:22 AM #36Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
08-03-2005, 10:36 AM #37Originally Posted by wolfuncle
08-03-2005, 10:42 AM #38Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
08-03-2005, 03:06 PM #39
wolfuncle is my new hero.........
08-03-2005, 03:13 PM #40Originally Posted by Badgerman
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