08-03-2005, 11:37 AM #1
Pentagon Begins Planning Pullout From Iraq
WASHINGTON — The Pentagon (search) is laying the groundwork for beginning a withdrawal from Iraq
"Once Iraq is safely in the hands of the Iraqi people, and a government they elected under a new constitution, our troops will be able to come home with the honor they have earned," Rumsfeld said in a speech
U.S. ambassador to Baghdad, Zalmay Khalilzad announced the creation of a U.S.-Iraq task force to develop a strategy and conditions for transferring the security responsibility from the U.S.-led coalition forces to the Iraqis. "Our common goal is to help Iraq stand on its own feet as quickly as possible," Khalilzad said, adding that this would allow for a phased U.S. pullout.
There are now more than 180,000 Iraqi police and army troops that have been trained and equipped by U.S. forces.
This couldn’t happen fast enough, although I completely support or mission and troops in Iraq. The criminality and terrorism that is indiscriminately murdering Coalition forces, Iraqis, and Muslims, is something the Iraqi people need to fight from within. Just as the Muslim world at large needs to fight global Jihadism and terror from within there own society.
Last edited by singern; 08-03-2005 at 11:39 AM.
08-03-2005, 11:40 AM #2
About time........let's tuck our tails between our legs and get the hell out of there.......
then watch the civil war on CNN
08-03-2005, 11:44 AM #3
I am glad, I hope we continue relief efforts and lift sanctions so they can really start rebuilding their infrastructure.
Some very intelligent Iraqis left Iraq... maybe they should go back to help rebuild, as they did leave because of the regime... Thoughts?
08-03-2005, 11:59 AM #4Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
08-03-2005, 12:16 PM #5Retired Vet
Originally Posted by singern
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As for America getting out of Iraq, doesn't surprise me. It just surprises me that its taken this long.
08-03-2005, 12:22 PM #6Originally Posted by BOUNCER
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08-03-2005, 12:29 PM #7Retired Vet
Originally Posted by singern
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08-03-2005, 12:42 PM #8Originally Posted by BOUNCER
Although I completely support the removal of Sadams brutal dictatorship, and terror supporting ideology. I hold no ill will to the general Iraqi populace, regrettably there have been numbers of Iraqi civilians hurt and killed in this war, but I refuse to believe they were ever intentionally targeted for some religious or nationalistic reason, as they are by the foreign insurgents.
08-03-2005, 12:49 PM #9
Lets hope the "phased" pull out does not require occupation for any length of time... or the rotation of military personnel(aka one year in bosnia... bull shit, one year tours that is)
08-03-2005, 12:52 PM #10
Singern.......you are such a knob......."regrettably there have been numbers of civilians hurt and killed"........you sound like GW.....and hell yes they were targeted by coalition forces.......and we all know you hate brown people.
Regrettably there are idiots like yourself who fell for Bush's scare tactics and led US into an illegal war.......
Now with the new Iraqi constitution......women will have LESS freedom than under Saddam.......
Saddam was brutal to insurgents.......like the Kurds and radical Shiites.......he kept terrorists OUT of Iraq....... now Iraq is worse than Afghanistan.......a terrorist on every corner........but at least the country loves freedom now........
Maybe once Rumsfeld is out of government he can sell the new guys weapons and poisonous gas too.....ya think?
08-03-2005, 01:22 PM #11Originally Posted by Badgerman
08-03-2005, 01:27 PM #12Originally Posted by Badgerman
Why does the fact that I can distinguish between terrorists and military forces operating by strict guidelines offend you so. Why does the fact I harbor no Ill will to Iraqis twist your tampon, and please for the 100th time supply credible proof of your never ending fictional ramble regarding American forces purposefully and intentionally targeting civilians........
08-03-2005, 01:44 PM #13
"Shock and awe" buddy.....it's the whole principle of pacification.......are you too stupid to figure that out??
08-03-2005, 01:46 PM #14Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
want the picture of the chums shaking hands???
08-03-2005, 01:51 PM #15Originally Posted by singern
The guideline #1........bomb the shit out of as much stuff as possible so companies can make as much profit as possible during the rebuilding
#2......kill lots of civilians under the guise of military operations to pacify the country........and especially kill the young men who might harbor a rebellious thought in their mind.......just cause they're guys......you know.....the testoterone and all........territorialism.......all that crap that freedom haters have.
08-03-2005, 01:52 PM #16Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
08-03-2005, 01:56 PM #17
08-03-2005, 02:00 PM #18
United States Interests Section in Iraq Cable from William L. Eagleton, Jr. to the Department of State. "[Excised] Iraqi Pipeline through Jordan," January 10, 1984.
The head of the U.S. interests section tells Washington, "the Iraqi leadership was extremely pleased with Amb. Rumsfeld's visit. Tariq Aziz had gone out of his way to praise Rumsfeld as a person . . ."
08-03-2005, 02:01 PM #19
United States Interests Section in Iraq Cable from William L. Eagleton, Jr. to the Department of State. "Iraqi Warning re Iranian Offensive," February 22, 1984.
Between presidential envoy Donald Rumsfeld's two visits to Iraq to seek ways to improve U.S.-Iraq relations and to identify measures to assist Iraq's war efforts, the Iraqi military issues a statement declaring that "the invaders should know that for every harmful insect there is an insecticide capable of annihilating it whatever their number and Iraq possesses this annihilation insecticide."
Source: Declassified under the Freedom of Information Act
08-03-2005, 02:04 PM #20
Letter from Richard M. Nixon to Nicolae Ceausescu. [Regarding U.S.-Romanian Venture to Sell Uniforms to Iraq], May 3, 1984.
Former president Richard Nixon sends a letter to Romanian President Nicolae Ceausescu in support of a deal made by Colonel John Brennan, his former aide and chief of staff, and former attorney general John Mitchell, to buy Romanian-manufactured military uniforms for export to Iraq.
Media and criminal investigations of U.S. companies that had exported weapons-related or dual-use items to Iraq were conducted after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. Many of these companies seemed to have connections with former U.S. government officials.
Source: Court exhibit
08-03-2005, 02:05 PM #21Originally Posted by Badgerman
Shock and awe as destructive as it was, targeted only military instillations, government facilities, and presidential palaces, using smart weapons and surgical accuracy. I have never read or seen anything that states a civilian target was chosen.As usual you cannot or will not give credible evidence of your anti US ramblings. instead you chose to use examples of political de****gs from people no longer in positions of power and references of historical events which have no relative connection to the current situation.
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08-03-2005, 02:08 PM #22
Department of State, Bureau of Politico-Military Affairs Briefing Paper. "Iraqi Illegal Use of Chemical Weapons," November 16, 1984.
Indicates that the U.S. concluded some time ago that Iraq had used "domestically produced lethal CW" in the Iran-Iraq war, developed in part through "the unwitting and, in some cases, we believe witting assistance" of numerous Western firms. The State Department's Bureau of Politico-Military Affairs thinks that Iraq stopped using chemical weapons in response to a U.S. demarche in November 1983, and resumed their use in February 1984.
Source: Declassified through Congressional investigation
08-03-2005, 02:09 PM #23
United States District Court (Florida: Southern District) Affidavit. "United States of America, Plaintiff, v. Carlos Cardoen [et al.]" [Charge that Teledyne Wah Chang Albany Illegally Provided a Proscribed Substance, Zirconium, to Cardoen Industries and to Iraq], January 31, 1995.
Former Reagan administration National Security Council staff member Howard Teicher says that after Ronald Reagan signed a national security decision directive calling for the U.S. to do whatever was necessary to prevent Iraq's defeat in the Iran-Iraq war, Director of Central Intelligence William Casey personally led efforts to ensure that Iraq had sufficient weapons, including cluster bombs, and that the U.S. provided Iraq with financial credits, intelligence, and strategic military advice. The CIA also provided Iraq, through third parties that included Israel and Egypt, with military hardware compatible with its Soviet-origin weaponry.
This affidavit was submitted in the course of one of a number of prosecutions, following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, of U.S. companies charged with illegally delivering military, dual-use, or nuclear-related items to Iraq. (In this case, a Teledyne affiliate was charged will illegally selling zirconium, used in the manufacture of explosives, to the Chilean arms manufacturer Carlos Industries, which used the material to manufacture cluster bombs sold to Iraq.) Many of these firms tried to defend themselves by establishing that providing military materiel to Iraq had been the actual, if covert, policy of the U.S. government. This was a difficult case to make, especially considering the rules of evidence governing investigations involving national security matters.
Source: Court case
08-03-2005, 02:11 PM #24Originally Posted by singern
08-03-2005, 02:15 PM #25Originally Posted by Badgerman
You seem confused and angry, is it because there are people who don’t accept your fictional ramblings at face value, or because you just cannot face you could be on the wrong side of reality.
08-03-2005, 02:16 PM #26
08-03-2005, 02:20 PM #27Originally Posted by Badgerman
Over the course of the war, U.S. air forces mounted 50 so-called "decapitation strikes." The bombs accidentally killed several dozen civilians who happened to be near the explosions, but they killed none of the Iraqi leaders they were intended to strike.
The problem was not with the bombs. The bombs were as accurate as advertised; they hit precisely where they were aimed. The problem was with the pre-strike intelligence; the Iraqi leaders—the bombs' targets—turned out to be someplace else.
08-03-2005, 02:21 PM #28
" There is enough evidence from studies done after World War II to suggest that the only people who do not succumb to the stress of war are those who are already mentally aberrant in a clinically defined sense. About 2 percent of soldiers exposed to combat over long periods of time do not break under the stress. An examination of these 'heroes' reveals that their most commonly held trait was that they were 'aggressive psychopathic personalities' who were that way before they entered the battle zone. The lesson seems to be that only the sane break down. Those already mentally ill appear able to adjust to the horror of combat. " (Gabriel, pg. 79)
08-03-2005, 02:24 PM #29Originally Posted by Bigen12
Ever hear of error by omission my dumb little fella???
They targeted military......but really didn't give a damn if civilians died or not........because the're brown.
They're targeted because they live there.........error by omission.......
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08-03-2005, 02:25 PM #30Originally Posted by Badgerman
Singern would make a good 2% er
08-03-2005, 02:28 PM #31Originally Posted by Badgerman
There is no need for the adolescent name calling.
In your opinion the military "didn't give a damn if civilians died or not........because there are brown." however I don't value your opinion, so Singern and I are asking you for proof.
08-03-2005, 02:31 PM #32Originally Posted by Badgerman
I continuously ask you for relevant, and credible data backing up your posts, but all I get from you is irate incoherent trash talk. wouldn’t it be more reasonable to accept the possibility you could be wrong.
08-03-2005, 02:40 PM #33
Here's a couple examples.........but heck........they're just brown people
Late on 31 March, US troops open fire on a civilian van that fails to stop
at a checkpoint. Seven Iraqi women and children are killed, according to US
US account: US officials say the driver of the car failed to stop after
warning shots were fired over the car and then at its engine. Soldiers fired
at the passenger cabin "as a last resort". US soldiers at checkpoints were
said to be jumpy after a suicide attack at a checkpoint had killed four
servicemen. Pentagon officials insist that the correct procedures were
followed, and that soldiers had acted in "the appropriate way".
Other reports: William Branigin, a reporter with the Washington Post
embedded with the US Third Infantry, witnesses the shooting and has a
different account. He says that 10 people were killed, and no warning shots
were fired. He reports that after the shooting Captain Ronny Johnson, the
commander at the checkpoint, yelled at his platoon commander: "You just
[expletive] killed a family because you didn't fire a warning shot soon
enough!" US forces, according to William Branigin, offered the survivors of
the incident financial compensation.
Iraqi account: Officials in the Iraqi capital say that US forces have been
dropping cluster bombs on civilian areas in Iraq. First reports of the use
of cluster bombs in the war appear in the Western media on 3 April.
Coalition denial:US and British officials deny the use of cluster munitions.
British military spokesman Colonel Chris Vernon said: "We are not using
cluster munitions, for obvious collateral damage reasons, in and around
Later UK account:A military official in London tells BBC News Online: "We
have used them elsewhere." He said they were an effective weapon of warfare,
for example to target a convoy of military vehicles, but were only used in
the open far from built up areas. UK Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon defends
the use of cluster bombs in Iraq on 4 April, saying they are legal and not
using them would put British soldiers at greater risk.
08-03-2005, 02:48 PM #34Originally Posted by Badgerman
Originally Posted by Badgerman
Originally Posted by Badgerman
08-03-2005, 03:19 PM #35
Oh, I pooped alittle laughing so hard at badgerman in his foil hat...Originally Posted by Bigen12
08-03-2005, 03:27 PM #36Originally Posted by Bigen12
08-03-2005, 03:47 PM #37
Gee.......with enough cluster bombs and depleted uranium.........we can make it so no one can live there.........but what the heck.........we really don't care if brown kids get a leg blown off from an un-exploded cluster bomb........just don't let the white kids play in that country......that would be a TRAGEDY.......unless of course make-a-wish takes him to meet Peyton Manning.......then it's ok
08-03-2005, 04:07 PM #38Originally Posted by Badgerman
08-03-2005, 04:37 PM #39
Yes indeed it is tragic........but more tragic if it is a white evangelical kid........
08-03-2005, 04:47 PM #40Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
Do you really need to ask?
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