08-20-2005, 02:42 PM #1
Russia & China begin joint military excersizes
China, Russia begin joint military exercises
By JOE MCDONALD
BEIJING (AP) - Russian and Chinese paratroopers landed along China's northeastern coast on Saturday as some 9,000 soldiers from the two countries began the second stage of their historic first joint military exercises, news reports said.
The war games are the result of warming ties between former Cold War enemies Moscow and Beijing, motivated by growing concern about U.S. dominance of world affairs. China looks to Russia as a source of oil and gas for its booming economy and is spending heavily on high-tech Russian arms.
The manoeuvres began Thursday in the Russian port of Vladivostok.
The exercise Saturday on the Shandong peninsula, which juts into the Yellow Sea, was meant to simulate landing a joint force to stabilize a fictional country.
A group of 86 paratroopers with 18 military vehicles landed at a Chinese training ground and practised "reaching ... the assault position and the launching of an attack at enemy positions," Russia's ITAR-Tass news agency reported.
About 7,000 Chinese troops and 1,800 Russians with ships, fighter planes and amphibious vehicles are taking part in "Peace Mission 2005," Chinese state television said.
The war games mark a new stage in the countries' transformation into economic and political partners.
The two governments settled the last of their decades-old border disputes last year and are collaborating in a regional security group meant to combat Islamic radicalism in Central Asia.
The exercises this week are meant to improve co-operation in "dealing with crises and organizing co-ordinated actions in the backdrop of the fight against terrorism, separatism and extremism," China's official Xinhua news agency said.
China's secretive military barred most foreign reporters from the exercises. ITAR-Tass said even Russian media were refused access to Chinese forces.
Russian and Chinese officials tried earlier this week to reassure their neighbours, saying the military exercises were not directed at any other country.
Chinese state television's evening news showed Chinese and Russian officers gathered in a command centre before computer screens with maps of the exercise.
The report showed Chinese soldiers driving tanks and troop carriers and preparing for parachute jumps, though it did not say whether those activities occurred Saturday. It showed Russian fighters and cargo planes landing at a Chinese base, and a Chinese schoolgirl giving a bouquet of flowers to a Russian naval officer.
State television did not mention the paratrooper landing reported by ITAR-Tass.
Saturday's exercise was to include 14 ships and about 50 Russian and Chinese warplanes and the midair refuelling of Russian-made Chinese Sukhoi-30 interceptors by a Russian tanker, according to ITAR-Tass.
China's 2.5 million-member People's Liberation Army has become the biggest buyer of Russian arms, spending billions of dollars on supersonic fighter planes, submarines and other high-tech hardware.
The exercises this week let Russia showcase long-range strategic bombers that it hopes to sell to Beijing.
But the exercises have sparked debate in Russia over how closely the nation should co-operate with China, which many Russians see as a potential threat because of its size, economic might and proximity to sparsely populated, resource-rich Siberia.
08-20-2005, 11:18 PM #2
No one should worry about Russia's military strenght. They are weak. And their armed forces have no skill or training whatsoever.
08-21-2005, 12:54 PM #3
The Russia military is only as strong as the US propaganda machine portrays it.......
whenever the military-industrial complex needs bigger profits.......then Russia or China is a big threat.......like now........all you hear about is China's military strength......
Raytheon's CEO must need a new yacht and vacation home......
08-21-2005, 07:13 PM #4Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
08-21-2005, 07:51 PM #5
Russia's Submarine Force is no joke. Can't say that for the rest of their military, though. But, oh well, no worries mate. All I can say is BRING IT!!!
08-21-2005, 08:45 PM #6Originally Posted by subsailor
OH YEAH.....that's the attitude.......BRING IT.......and while you idiots fvck around with your toys bought with our hardearned tax dollars.......all the normal civilians suffer.......why don't you fools pick an island.......and BRING IT all over yourselves?
08-21-2005, 09:23 PM #7
even their sub force has suffered, but still large
Originally Posted by subsailor
08-22-2005, 02:46 AM #8Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
lessons learned from the Falklands War, low-tech&trained armies can still inflict casualties
08-22-2005, 10:43 AM #9
today russian military are a joke, so the chinese!
you are looking at two paper tigers!
08-22-2005, 10:47 AM #10Originally Posted by GQ-Bouncer
yepper and not to use aluminium boats!
seriously, they are making me laugh like hell when saying armies will be super high tech with robots and all that super hi tech crap!
Who has the money to pay for this? the US thats it!
but tell me, a 3 million dollars robot that cost a bilion in RD what is more cost efficient!
the 3M robot or a 20yo redneck from shithole Ohio, who is paid 20k a year with some modest social benefits that if he die will cost about 5000$ to replace and train a new poor redneck from Michigan, who burrial will cost 1500$ and a 6000$ allowance to the remaining family!
now let's see the math!
08-22-2005, 08:10 PM #11
lol yeah, but they are working on that new digital battlefield system, I would like to see how well that turns out
Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
08-22-2005, 08:58 PM #12Originally Posted by GQ-Bouncer
how it named? xbox
08-23-2005, 06:49 AM #13Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
08-23-2005, 07:44 AM #14
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