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    TV Preacher Pat Robertson breaks Exodus 20:13 "Thou Shalt Not Kill."

    Here is the text of his statement and a place to see it straight from the horse's butt . . . I suppose calling Pat Robertson a hypocrite would be redundant at this point -- a walking calvalcade of perversion and loathesome blech . . .
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    Robertson called for the assassination of Venezuela's president

    Pat Robertson, host of Christian Broadcasting Network's The 700 Club and founder of the Christian Coalition of America, called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

    From the August 22 broadcast of The 700 Club:

    ROBERTSON: There was a popular coup that overthrew him [Chavez]. And what did the United States State Department do about it? Virtually nothing. And as a result, within about 48 hours that coup was broken; Chavez was back in power, but we had a chance to move in. He has destroyed the Venezuelan economy, and he's going to make that a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent.

    You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don't think any oil shipments will stop. But this man is a terrific danger and the United ... This is in our sphere of influence, so we can't let this happen. We have the Monroe Doctrine, we have other doctrines that we have announced. And without question, this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.

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    we're all sinners, big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMike J
    we're all sinners, big deal.
    Ya, but there ain't too many of us sinners with our own TV programs calling for politicians to be murdered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    Ya, but there ain't too many of us sinners with our own TV programs calling for politicians to be murdered.
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    Fox news?


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    Pat robertson didnt kill anyone. thats what i thought by your title. i dont even know pat roberstson so dont think im on his side or against his side..i dont pay attention to them tv people.

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    Pat believes in capitalism... except if someone chooses not to sale us oil anymore, then use our means to 'take him out' instead of another illegal war against freedom haters.

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    This is what too much Bible reading will do to ya:
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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/2005082Televangelist Calls for Chavez' Death Tue Aug 23, 6:20 AM ET

    VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. - Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson suggested on-air that American operatives assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to stop his country from becoming "a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism."

    "We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," Robertson said Monday on the Christian Broadcast Network's "The 700 Club."

    "We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator," he continued. "It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

    Chavez has emerged as one of the most outspoken critics of President Bush, accusing the United States of conspiring to topple his government and possibly backing plots to assassinate him. U.S. officials have called the accusations ridiculous.

    "You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson said. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."

    Robertson, 75, founder of the Christian Coalition of America and a former presidential candidate, accused the United States of failing to act when Chavez was briefly overthrown in 2002.

    Electronic pages and a message to a Robertson spokeswoman were not immediately returned Monday evening.

    Venezuela is the fifth largest oil exporter and a major supplier of oil to the United States. The CIA estimates that U.S. markets absorb almost 59 percent of Venezuela's total exports.

    Venezuela's government has demanded in the past that the United States crack down on Cuban and Venezuelan "terrorists" in Florida who they say are conspiring against Chavez.

    Robertson has made controversial statements in the past. In October 2003, he suggested that the State Department be blown up with a nuclear device. He has also said that feminism encourages women to "kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."

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    Christian Broadcast Network: http://www.cbn.com/700club/

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    Quote Originally Posted by max2extreme
    Pat robertson didnt kill anyone. thats what i thought by your title.
    What would you expect for an atheist, with base for morals, lying is common, which makes him the same as Robertson, breaking the 9th commandment. It's like the pot calling the kettle black. What I find interesting is tock, thinks Robertson did something wrong, how can he do something wrong if tock doesn't believe in the 10 commandments. I believe Robertson did do something wrong but I believe in the 10 commandments.

    Here's the thing tock, you can't take parts of the Bible as ture when you want to point out someones faults, it's either ture or not. So what is it?

    JohnnyB

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyB
    What would you expect for an atheist, with base for morals, lying is common, which makes him the same as Robertson, breaking the 9th commandment. It's like the pot calling the kettle black. What I find interesting is tock, thinks Robertson did something wrong, how can he do something wrong if tock doesn't believe in the 10 commandments. I believe Robertson did do something wrong but I believe in the 10 commandments.

    Here's the thing tock, you can't take parts of the Bible as ture when you want to point out someones faults, it's either ture or not. So what is it?

    JohnnyB

    An atheist can't believe that murder is wrong? Or are atheists just incapable of those types of moral dichotomies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyB
    tock thinks Robertson did something wrong, how can he do something wrong if tock doesn't believe in the 10 commandments.
    HYPOCRISY is what Robertson is guilty of here.

    On the one hand, Pat Robertson bleats about the importance of everyone complying with the "Ten Commandments," yet he calls for someone to transgress the one that says, "Thous shalt not kill." On top of that, he wants to be considered patriotic for doing so!

    Ya, that guy is a piece of work . . .

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050823/...uela_robertson

    Venezuela Slams Robertson Over Remarks By CHRISTOPHER TOOTHAKER, Associated Press Writer
    Tue Aug 23, 7:22 PM ET



    CARACAS, Venezuela - Pat Robertson's call for American agents to assassinate President Hugo Chavez is a "terrorist" statement that needs to be investigated by U.S. authorities, Venezuela said Tuesday. The Bush administration quickly distanced itself from the religious broadcaster.

    Robertson's suggestion Monday that the United States "take out" Chavez to stop Venezuela from becoming a "launching pad for communist influence and Muslim extremism" appeared likely to aggravate tensions between the United States and the world's fifth-largest oil exporting country.

    Chavez, who was democratically elected, has emerged as one of the most outspoken critics of President Bush, accusing the United States of conspiring to topple his government and possibly backing plots to assassinate him. The United States is the top buyer of Venezuelan oil, but Chavez has made it clear he wants to decrease the country's dependence on the U.S. market by finding other buyers.

    Winding up a visit to Cuba, Chavez said in response to questions from reporters at Havana's airport that he did not have information about Robertson's comments.

    "I haven't read anything. We haven't heard anything about him," Chavez said. "I don't even know who that person is."

    But Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel said the U.S. response to Robertson would be a test of its anti-terrorist policy and that Venezuela was studying its legal options.

    "The ball is in the U.S. court, after this criminal statement by a citizen of that country," Rangel said. "It's a huge hypocrisy to maintain this discourse against terrorism and at the same time, in the heart of that country, there are entirely terrorist statements like those."

    Rangel called Robertson "a man who seems to have quite a bit of influence in that country," adding sarcastically that his words were "very Christian." He said the comments "reveal that religious fundamentalism is one of the great problems facing humanity in these times."

    At the Pentagon, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld said when asked about Robertson's comments: "Our department doesn't do that kind of thing. It's against the law. He's a private citizen. Private citizens say all kinds of things all the time."

    State Department spokesman Sean McCormack called Robertson's remarks "inappropriate."

    "This is not the policy of the United States government. We do not share his views," McCormack said.

    The United States was believed in the past to have been involved in the 1963 assassination of South Vietnam President Ngo Binh Diem and attempts to assassinate Cuba's Fidel Castro.

    Political assassination was put off-limits by former President Gerald R. Ford in an executive order in the mid-1970s.

    Rumsfeld said he knew of no consideration ever being given to assassinating Chavez.

    "Not to my knowledge and I would think I would have knowledge," Rumsfeld said.

    Robertson is a founder of the Christian Coalition of America and a supporter of Bush, who was elected twice with the solid backing of Christian conservatives.

    The 75-year-old religious broadcaster has made controversial statements in the past. In October 2003, he suggested that the State Department be blown up with a nuclear device. He has also said that feminism encourages women to "kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."

    On Monday, Robertson said on the Christian Broadcast Network's "The 700 Club": "We have the ability to take him (Chavez) out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability."

    "We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator," he continued. "It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."


    "You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson said. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."

    Chavez has irritated U.S. officials with his fiery rhetoric against American "imperialism" and his increasingly close ties to U.S. enemies such as Cuba and Iran. He says he is leading Venezuela toward socialism and, in a visit to Cuba this week, praised Castro's system as a "revolutionary democracy."

    Although he is disliked in Washington, Venezuelans overwhelmingly supported Chavez in a failed recall effort by the opposition.

    Venezuela has demanded in the past that the United States crack down on Cuban and Venezuelan "terrorists" in Florida who they say are plotting against Chavez with conspirators in Venezuela.

    Chavez, a former army paratrooper, also has accused Washington of backing a short-lived coup against him in 2002, a charge U.S. officials have denied. Chavez is up for re-election next year, and polls suggest he is the favorite.

    Bernardo Alverez, the Venezuelan ambassador to Washington, said Tuesday that "it is essential that the U.S. government guarantee his safety when he visits this country in the future. ... We are concerned about the safety of our president."

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    AP Diplomatic Writer Barry Schweid in Washington contributed to this report.

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    Robertson's a joke........nothing but a greedy pharisee.......child of the devil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    Ya, but there ain't too many of us sinners with our own TV programs calling for politicians to be murdered.
    -Tock
    Amen, brother Tock

    The church has always been in the hands of the state & not god. What does a preacher know about politics? and why is he interfering with them?



    Hell, did you know that the new Pope was a former Nazi?... i really hope somebody makes a movie about religious demonic conspiracy... OH KNOW!! THE MUSLIMS WERE RIGHT!!! ( that one was for you CAUCASIAN)
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    Well, looks like Robertson is back-pedling... surprise surprise...

    I dunno about you, but where I am from asking for special forces to "take out" someone doesn't have 50 meanings...

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/24/rob...vez/index.html


    Robertson apologizes for assassination call
    Broadcaster finds thread from Saddam to Chavez

    Wednesday, August 24, 2005; Posted: 7:23 p.m. EDT (23:23 GMT)

    (CNN) -- After two days of criticism, Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson apologized for his controversial suggestion that the United States should assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

    "Is it right to call for assassination? No, and I apologize for that statement," Robertson said. "I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him."

    But he compared Chavez to Iraq's Saddam Hussein and Adolph Hitler and quoted German Lutheran theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer: "[That if a madman were] driving a car into a group of innocent bystanders, then I can't, as a Christian, simply wait for the catastrophe and then comfort the wounded and bury the dead. I must try to wrestle the steering wheel out of the hands of the driver."

    Bonhoeffer was hanged by the Nazis for his involvement in a 1944 plot to assassinate Hitler.

    Robertson's rationale for his statement remained unchanged.

    "I said before the war in Iraq began that the wisest course would be to wage war against Saddam Hussein, not the whole nation of Iraq," Robertson said. "When faced with the threat of a comparable dictator in our own hemisphere, would it not be wiser to wage war against one person rather than finding ourselves down the road locked in a bitter struggle with a whole nation?"

    So far there has been no reaction from Venezuela to Robertson's apology.

    Earlier Wednesday, on his "The 700 Club" program, Robertson said the media had taken his remarks out of context.

    "I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out.' And 'take him out' can be a number of things, including kidnapping; there are a number of ways to take out a dictator from power besides killing him. I was misinterpreted by the AP [Associated Press], but that happens all the time," Robertson said on "The 700 Club." (Watch video)


    The controversy began Monday when Robertson called Chavez "a terrific danger" bent on exporting Communism and Islamic extremism across the Americas. (Full story)

    "If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think we really ought to go ahead and do it," said Robertson Monday. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war." (Watch Robertson's comments)

    "We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," he said. "We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

    Chavez, a close ally of Cuban President Fidel Castro, has said in the past he believes the United States is trying to kill him and vowed that Venezuela, which accounts for more than 10 percent of U.S. oil imports, would shut off the flow of oil if that happened.

    Tuesday, the Venezuelan leader shrugged off Robertson's comments during a trip to Cuba.

    "I don't know who that person is," he said. "I don't know him, and as far as his opinion of me goes, I couldn't care less."

    And Venezuela's ambassador to the United States, Bernardo Alvarez, said Robertson was "no ordinary private citizen" and demanded the White House strongly condemn the remarks. (Full story)
    Bush administration critical of Chavez

    Chavez has built ties to Cuba since he was elected in 1998, becoming a close friend of Castro's and selling oil to the communist island at preferential rates.

    The colorful former Venezuelan army officer has the widespread support of his country's poor.

    His opponents, largely drawn from the country's middle and upper classes, accuse him of undermining democratic institutions.

    Chavez was re-elected under a new constitution in 2000. In 2004, he won a recall referendum with the support of 58 percent of voters.

    He has become an increasingly outspoken critic of the United States, which he accuses of having been behind a 2002 coup attempt that forced him from office for two days.

    The Bush administration denied involvement but refused to condemn the attempted coup.

    Assassinations of world leaders have been forbidden since President Ford signed an executive order in 1976. The rule came after congressional hearings in the 1970s documented CIA attempts to kill Castro and U.S. interference in the politics of other Latin American countries.

    This month, Chavez warned that U.S. troops would be "soundly defeated" if Washington were to invade Venezuela. (Full story)

    Administration officials have been sharply critical of Venezuela, the fourth-largest supplier of oil to the United States.

    During her confirmation hearings, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice singled out Venezuela as a "negative force" in the region, and Rumsfeld has suggested Chavez's government has interfered with the internal affairs of other countries in the region.

    Controversial statements are not new to the 75-year-old Robertson.

    He has suggested in the past that a meteor could strike Florida because of unofficial "Gay Days" at Disney World and that feminism caused women to kill their children, practice witchcraft and become lesbians.

    CNN's Lucia Newman contributed to this report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    HYPOCRISY is what Robertson is guilty of here.

    On the one hand, Pat Robertson bleats about the importance of everyone complying with the "Ten Commandments," yet he calls for someone to transgress the one that says, "Thous shalt not kill." On top of that, he wants to be considered patriotic for doing so!

    Ya, that guy is a piece of work . . .

    -Tock
    I don't disagree with you.

    But this should mean nothing to you since you don't believe the Ten Commandments, the only reason for you to point this out is to make yourself fell better. Making you just like him, pointing the finger at others when you should worry about what you're doing. That's what got his mouth going when it should of been shut, pointing fingers at people, to the point of calling for him to be killed. Pat has forgot, that we are all sinner (miss the mark), he should of been praying for him to repent, not calling for him to be killed.

    There was a few groups of people Jesus corrected and rebuked, because of their, I'm better then those people attitude. They were the Pharisees and Sadducee's, the religious hierarchy of the day. He told them that the prostitutes, thieves and other low life's would enter the Kingdom before them. Why? Because they knew they needed help, these guys relied on the self righteousness, over what the Bible taught, Grace, Mercy and Forgiveness.

    I can't judge Pats heart but from what I'm hearing and seeing, he's on a rabbit trail and needs to return to the Bible, as his guide to life. Not political aspirations, calling for the death of a human being, is outside the realm of what Jesus taught. Does the Bible call for the death penalty? Yes, but you need to be guilty of breaking the law of God, not for political policy. At this time God has put that power into the hands of government, not Christians or so call preachers

    Let me ask you a question, since Clinton lied about Monica before the Grand Jury. Did that make everything he said of no value or all of it a lie? No, we all fall short of our own expectation, I've said I'd never do X and ended up doing it, does that make what I thought to be wrong invalid? No, it just means I'm human, I'm sure you've said things, that later you did that was wrong to you. Does that make you a bad person? No, it makes you human.

    But we do agree Tock, Pat was/is out of line, with what he is supposed to be lining up his life with. Calling for someone to break a Commandment, is somewhere I wouldn't want to be

    JohnnyB

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    Pat Robertson has been shooting this type of political agenda out of his mouth since the 80's. I know because I just saw "democracy now" on free speach tv, they had a guy who went to seminary school and became a journalist research not just how long but what would be considered against christian theology. Dish network in the 9000 channels. Just so everyone knows, I believe in Jesus of Nazareth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
    Pat Robertson has been shooting this type of political agenda out of his mouth since the 80's. I know because I just saw "democracy now" on free speach tv, they had a guy who went to seminary school and became a journalist research not just how long but what would be considered against christian theology. Dish network in the 9000 channels. Just so everyone knows, I believe in Jesus of Nazareth.
    Oh you do not......you're just a dark guy pushin a lawnmower......can't fool us

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