Thread: Can ******s go to heaven???
08-25-2005, 04:17 PM #1
Can ******s go to heaven???
Relevant question for a Mormon.......
And don't get after me for the N word.......it's in all the rap lyrics now.
Last edited by Badgerman; 08-25-2005 at 10:22 PM.
08-25-2005, 04:20 PM #2
You know, when I read it I said outloud "What the fuuuck"
08-25-2005, 04:20 PM #3
08-25-2005, 05:01 PM #4
wrong on all fronts. not cool at all.
08-25-2005, 05:03 PM #5Associate Member
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Answer is yes of course. Where did you get your information. Sounds like you need to do some more studying. Good luck on that
08-25-2005, 05:59 PM #6
Please explain to me 2 things...
1) your definition of the word ******
2) how this is relevant to mormons
Then I will answer your question.
08-25-2005, 06:17 PM #7it's in all the rap lyrics now.
2pac said it best: "****** was the ones hangin from ropes, niggA are the ones with gold ropes, hanging out at clubs"
what are you getting at? do mormons believe only whites go to heaven or something?
08-25-2005, 06:22 PM #8
yea but sand-****** is socially accepted because its against Arabs isnt it ?
08-25-2005, 06:29 PM #9Retired Vet
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St. Martin de Porres of Assisi was as black as the ace of spades, I think the Catholics sent him straight to heaven!.
08-25-2005, 07:20 PM #10
my question is, if you knew you had to explain yourself
"And don't get after me for the N word.......it's in all the rap lyrics now."
Wouldnt that be a signal from yourself not to use the word? In the context you are using, it is not right. If you really wanted your question answered, you should have put it another way and been sure. Now look at every thread here. You think you got your question answered??
08-25-2005, 07:34 PM #11
That's just wrong..What a ridiculous question....
08-25-2005, 07:37 PM #12Member
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Originally Posted by Badgerman
08-25-2005, 10:27 PM #13Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
08-25-2005, 10:42 PM #14
Badgerman you love stirring things up don't you? LOL And yes I think many years ago the Mormons did deny that black people had the chance of Mormonism or heaven but I think that has changed now. Hoped that helped Nigga!
08-25-2005, 11:07 PM #15
Yes they go!
Look at Chris Rock he went to heaven and he was an apostle!
must be true, it was on Dogma!
08-25-2005, 11:26 PM #16
to answer your question though..racism has always been charged against the mormon church. the book of mormon describes the native-american curse as "they were white, and exceeding fair and delightsome; that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them" (2 Nephi 5:21). after 1981, editions of the book of mormon have deleted the strength of the racist overtones by changing the word 'white' in the original to 'pure' concerning african americans, racism can be found in pearl of great price, book of moses (7:8-12), and book of abraham (1:24) but is a lot greater in brigham young's comments found in the journal of discourses (7:290; 10:110). If you dont kow...the jounral of discourses is a 26 volume collection of sermons of early mormon authorities. though the church says it places little value in them, they are still published by the church's deseret publishing company.
08-25-2005, 11:31 PM #17
Here's some good mormon quotes.....
QUOTE OF THE MONTH
LDS - "Now WE ARE GENEROUS WITH THE NEGRO. WE ARE WILLING that the Negro have the highest kind of education. I WOULD BE WILLING to LET every Negro DRIVE A CADILLAC IF THEY COULD AFFORD IT. I WOULD BE WILLING that they have all the advantages they can get out of life in the world. BUT LET THEM ENJOY THESE THINGS AMONG THEMSELVES." LDS "Apostle" Mark E. Petersen, "Race Problems - As They Affect The Church," Address delivered at Brigham Young University, August 27, 1954, as quoted in Jerald and Sandra Tanner's book entitled, "The Changing World of Mormonism," p. 307, emphasis added.
COWARDS IN THE "PRE-EXISTENCE" ?
LDS - "Those who were LESS VALIANT IN PRE-EXISTENCE and who thereby had certain spiritual restrictions imposed upon them during mortality are known to us as the NEGROES." LDS "Apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 527, 1966 edition, emphasis added.
LDS - "THE NEGROES ARE NOT EQUAL WITH OTHER RACES where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned, ...but this inequality is not of man's origin. IT IS THE LORD'S DOING, is based on his eternal laws of justice, and grows out of the LACK OF SPIRITUAL VALIANCE OF THOSE CONCERNED IN THEIR FIRST ESTATE [the Mormon pre-existence]." LDS "Apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 527 - 528, 1966 edition, emphasis added.
LDS - "...[T]hrough their INDIFFERENCE or LACK OF INTEGRITY TO RIGHTEOUSNESS, [blacks] rendered themselves UNWORTHY of the Priesthood and its powers...." LDS "Historian" B. H. Roberts, The Contributor, vol. 6, pp. 296-297, as quoted in Jerald and Sandra Tanner's book entitled "The Changing World of Mormonism," p. 293, emphasis added.
LDS - "Is there reason then why the type of birth we receive in this life is not A REFLECTION OF OUR WORTHINESS or LACK OF IT IN THE PRE-EXISTENT LIFE? ...[C]an we account in any other way for the birth of some of the children of God in DARKEST AFRICA, or in FLOOD-RIDDEN CHINA, or among the STARVING HORDES OF INDIA, while some of the rest of us are born here in the United States? We cannot escape the conclusion that BECAUSE OF PERFORMANCE IN OUR PRE-EXISTENCE some of us are born as CHINESE, some as JAPANESE, some as Latter-day Saints. ...A CHINESE, BORN IN CHINA WITH A DARK SKIN, and with all the HANDICAPS OF THAT RACE seems to have little opportunity. But think of the mercy of God to Chinese people who are willing to accept the gospel. IN SPITE OF WHATEVER THEY MIGHT HAVE DONE IN THE PRE-EXISTENCE TO JUSTIFY BEING BORN OVER THERE AS CHINAMEN, if they now, in this life accept the gospel and live it the rest of their lives they can have the Priesthood, go to the temple and receive endowments and sealings, and that means they can have exaltation. Isn't the mercy of God marvelous? Think of the Negro, cursed as to the priesthood.... THIS NEGRO, WHO, IN THE PRE-EXISTENCE LIVED THE TYPE OF LIFE WHICH JUSTIFIED THE LORD IN SENDING HIM TO EARTH IN THE LINEAGE OF CAIN WITH A BLACK SKIN, AND POSSIBLY BEING BORN IN DARKEST AFRICA.... IN SPITE OF ALL HE DID IN THE PRE-EXISTENT LIFE, the Lord is willing, if the Negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost. IF THAT NEGRO IS FAITHFUL ALL HIS DAYS, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. HE WILL GO THERE AS A SERVANT, but he will get celestial glory." LDS "Apostle" Mark E. Petersen, "Race Problems - As They Affect the Church," Address delivered at Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, August 27, 1954, as quoted in Jerald and Sandra Tanner's book entitled "The Changing World of Mormonism," p. 294. Note: Allegedly, even "if that Negro is faithful all his days," he will never achieve equality with his "white and delightsome" Mormon brethren. Instead he allegedly will go to the celestial kingdom "AS A SERVANT!"
A CURSE ON THE "SEED OF CAIN" ?
LDS - "You see some classes of the human family that are BLACK, UNCOUTH, UNCOMELY, DISAGREEABLE and LOW in their habits, WILD, and seemingly DEPRIVED OF NEARLY ALL THE BLESSINGS OF THE INTELLIGENCE that is generally bestowed upon mankind. The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been KILLED, and THAT WOULD HAVE PUT A TERMINATION TO THAT LINE OF HUMAN BEINGS. This was not to be, and the Lord put A MARK upon him, which is THE FLAT NOSE AND BLACK SKIN. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race -- that they should be the "servants of servants;" and they will be, until that curse is removed; and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree." LDS "Prophet" Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 290, 1859, emphasis added.
LDS - "Though he was a rebel and an ASSOCIATE OF LUCIFER IN PRE-EXISTENCE, ...Cain managed to attain the privilege of mortal birth.... [H]e came out in open rebellion, fought God, worshiped Lucifer, and slew Abel.... AS A RESULT OF HIS REBELLION, CAIN WAS CURSED WITH A DARK SKIN; HE BECAME THE FATHER OF THE NEGROES, and THOSE SPIRITS WHO ARE NOT WORTHY to receive the priesthood are born through his lineage." LDS "Apostle" Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 108-109, 1966 edition, emphasis added.
LDS - "...[F]rom Ham sprang the race which preserved the curse in the land." LDS Pearl of Great Price, Abraham 1:24.
LDS - "Noah's son Ham married Egyptus, a descendant of Cain, thus preserving the Negro lineage through the flood." LDS "Apostle" Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 527, 1966 edition, emphasis added.
LDS - "And after the flood we are told that the curse that had been pronounced upon Cain was continued through Ham's wife, as he had married a wife of that seed. And why did it pass through the flood? Because it was necessary that THE DEVIL SHOULD HAVE A REPRESENTATION UPON THE EARTH as well as God...." LDS "Prophet" John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 22, p. 304, 1881, emphasis added.
Note: Taylor claimed that blacks were Satan's representatives on Earth.
LDS - "Ham will continue to be servant of servants, as the Lord decreed, until the curse is removed. Will the present struggle [the U.S. civil war] free the slave? No.... Can you destroy the decrees of the Almighty? You cannot." LDS "Prophet" Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 10, p. 250, 1863.
LDS - "For behold, the Lord shall curse the land with much heat, and the barrenness thereof shall go forth forever; and there was a BLACKNESS came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were DESPISED AMONG ALL PEOPLE." LDS Pearl of Great Price, Moses 7:8, emphasis added.
LDS - "And it came to pass that Enoch continued to call upon all people, SAVE IT WERE THE PEOPLE OF CANAAN, to repent." LDS Pearl of Great Price, Moses 7:12, emphasis added. Note: Mormonism long considered blacks unworthy of its missionary efforts, essentially unworthy of the Gospel message.
LDS - "The gospel message of salvation is NOT CARRIED AFFIRMATIVELY TO THEM [blacks]...." LDS "Apostle" Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 527, 1966 edition, emphasis added.
08-25-2005, 11:33 PM #18
Where do these crazy mofos live .......UTAH???
And we have these crazies in our government????........
And we thought the Quran was bad stuff........HA
08-25-2005, 11:54 PM #19
Not a nice thread.
08-26-2005, 12:13 AM #20
I read that stuff and wonder how the hell can anyone take Mormonism seriously??
It's the funniest stuff I've read in a long time.......and you know the old dudes in charge up there in Salt Lake still believe all that deep down.......the only reason they let niggas in the church was because they starting makin some cash......
Mormon Tabernacle Choir sings 2-Pac's greatest.........now that would be a hit
08-26-2005, 12:15 AM #21
Now Orin Hatch makes more sense.......the completely insane CAN be productive citizens
08-26-2005, 04:03 AM #22Senior Member
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i use the ****** word all the time. but, i dont mean it as a race insult. my nick name growing up was ****** charlie. and that was the white kids who gave me that name. it didnt matter to me. now if me and a white are fussing and he calls me a ******, i call him a ****** back. aint nobodys fault about there bloodline. but its there fault if they want to act like a ******. to me a ****** is a no class acting person...and theres white ******s, yellow ******s and red ones too.
08-26-2005, 04:55 AM #23Originally Posted by Badgerman
08-26-2005, 05:04 AM #24
08-26-2005, 06:19 AM #25Originally Posted by doctorherb
08-26-2005, 06:32 AM #26Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
08-26-2005, 06:34 AM #27
I forgot to mention that badgerman is an idiot.
08-26-2005, 06:34 AM #28
another great comment by badgerman
08-26-2005, 07:33 AM #29
You stir nothing but sympathy for your pathetic attempts to gain attention.
08-26-2005, 07:40 AM #30
I'm sorry, could you ask you question in a more ignorant way...I'm a honky so it's difficult for me to understand such intelligent questions cause the Baptist told God to treat me differently.
08-26-2005, 07:44 AM #31
Maybe it is time for badgerman to move on...
08-26-2005, 07:57 AM #32Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
08-26-2005, 09:11 AM #33
..How long is it going to take before this rabble-rouser gets banned?? As is so typical of one who constantly criticizes, he is full of accusations, half-truths, and invictive, but NEVER proposes solutions or actions which would improve the "situation" as he sees it. Pathetic..........
08-26-2005, 09:16 AM #34
the nigga is in rap not ******, u racist S.O.B
08-26-2005, 09:49 AM #35
badgerman for your sake delete this thread !
08-26-2005, 09:53 AM #36Originally Posted by skiing
I sure am... good ol mount tremblant.
get your stick of juicy fruit?... the taste is gonna move you!!
grab my stick .... pull it out..... the taste the taste the taste is gonna POP you in the mouthhhhh
ski a great winter.
yes ...."they" can go to heaven...what a odd/very odd question.
I'm wondering if your gonna get banned man?
Last edited by Dally; 08-26-2005 at 09:56 AM.
08-26-2005, 10:38 AM #37
Its one thing if you have the balls to call a black person a ****** to their face. But i guarantee that BadgerGirl is too much of a PUSSY to do so, so typing it in a public forum is another BITCH-MOVE made by this FVCKING HOMOSEXUAL TERROIST TOOLBAG, BADGERQUEER!
08-26-2005, 10:42 AM #38Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
How can you demand such a thing???........
See you all aren't really true Americans......any racially charged topic.....and you all want me banned.......now is that supporting freedom????
Mormonism has a long history of discrimination......just a group to watch out for.......
08-26-2005, 10:45 AM #39Originally Posted by 305GUY
08-26-2005, 10:46 AM #40
Hey.......but bigen displaying the confederate flag is A-ok.......cause he loves freedom......
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