08-26-2005, 01:16 PM #1
Israel, Is it right to demolish the settlements?
To those of you who have damned the Israeli government for demolishing the homes of the evacuated settlements, Zoaib, Benches505 perhaps you would like to know the reason why this was done.....
The demolition of Gaza settlement homes - Background brief
16 Aug 2005
In the coordination meetings that took place between Israel and the Palestinians prior to the Disengagement, the future of the homes in the settlements was extensively discussed. Israel expressed its willingness to leave the homes intact, should the Palestinians so desire. However, the Palestinians themselves preferred that the homes, mostly spacious single family rural dwellings, be demolished, in order to allow for the construction of multi-family apartment buildings, which would be more appropriate for the local population. In addition, the Palestinian leadership felt that the new construction would provide an important source of employment for the area following the Disengagement.
Consequently, Israel has taken upon itself to demolish the structures, and dispose of any hazardous material within Israel in accordance with procedures established by the Ministry of Environment. The remaining used building material will be either recycled in the new construction of apartment buildings or hauled away by Palestinian contractors at Israel's expense.
A. Chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat, May 5, 2005 as reported by Xinhuanet:
Chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat called Thursday (May 5) on Israel to demolish Jewish settlers' houses in settlements that Israel is expected to evacuate in August:
"I will tell the Israelis to demolish all of them and even take all the rubble with you, because this is our firm position - to demolish these houses because we do not want to live in them," Erekat told the Voice of Peace, a pro-peace radio jointly run by Israeli and Palestinian peace activists.
B. Housing and Public Works Minister Mohammad Shtayyeh, May 26, 2005 as reported by Reuters
The Palestinian Authority plans to demolish Jewish settler houses in Gaza and replace them with high-rise apartment blocks to ease crowding, a minister said today (May 26):
"If Israel does not destroy settlers' homes, we will destroy them," Housing and Public Works Minister Mohammad Shtayyeh said.
Most Palestinian Cabinet members favored demolition, Mr. Shtayyeh said. The main reason was to make efficient use of scarce land in Gaza, one of the most densely populated territories on Earth, he said. Mr Shtayyeh said the settlement land could be used to build high-rise buildings to ease crowding.
08-26-2005, 01:21 PM #2
only if someone would have given such information before all the COMOTION things would have made sense , statements like " they dont want to hand over their houses to their enemies " werent exactly a promising answer , but thx for clearing that up .................
08-26-2005, 01:22 PM #3
u got a link for that ?
08-26-2005, 01:42 PM #4
I truthfully got that link from an Israeli site, however knowing that you or your compatriots would not trust an Israeli site, I found a reference to the quotes from your trusted aljazeerah…..
08-26-2005, 01:48 PM #5
Palestinian officials would prefer that Israel destroys the homes and removes the rubble when it quits Gaza - helping to prevent looting after the Israelis leave and avoiding tough decisions about who might be given the homes.
But Israel's army is against demolishing the homes, warning that it could take months and would put soldiers in danger.
And then to get damned for it……..
What a complete load of BS…..…
08-26-2005, 02:00 PM #6
Sounds pretty silly to me.......demolishing perfectly good houses.......the palestinians must want high rise apartments so they can turn them into slums.......just like the
cities of the US whenever the government gives a handout.
Who's paying for all this new construction?? The US???
08-26-2005, 03:17 PM #7
aside from all the demolishign agrrement b/w pallys and israelis , all the cost will be incured by US as in the USA ............. and thats just not opinion they are already talkign out a 2.2 billion dollar aid for this pullout ......
08-27-2005, 04:10 AM #8
Can Bush ever figure out our bank account is overdrawn???.........Bribery for peace or stability is a silly way to handle foreign policy.......no staying power.......it's like bribing your children to behave........when in fact they need a good ass-whoopin.
08-27-2005, 12:02 PM #9Originally Posted by zOaib
Settler demolishes his own home
(Video) Eyal Goren, until recently of Dugit, watched Sunday how the first bulldozer approached his home for the past 14 years: I wanted to make certain my home would be demolished and no one else would live in it. It is terrible to watch this
By Ynet Correspondents
Eyal Goren, until recently of Dugit, watched Sunday how the first bulldozer approached his home for the past 14 years. Goren signaled the driver to stop, and then made a rather unique request.
“I asked to sit by the driver, so I would be the one to strike the home first,” he said. “It was difficult, it was terrible, but I felt a need to do it – to come full circle. I wanted to make certain my home would be demolished and no one else would live in it. It is terrible to watch this.”
Demolition of settler homes in Pe'at Sadeh (Video: Nurit Belkin):
Goren’s neighbor stood teary-eyed during the demolition of his own home.
“We led a good life in this house. For me this destruction symbolizes the beginning of a new life,” he said.
A contractor in charge of the demolition works in Dugit and Pe’at Sadeh said he expects all the settlements’ homes to be destroyed by Monday, and the razing of Nisanit and Ele Sinai homes will take place during the week.
Another contractor working in Dugit said he wanted to remain unidentified.
“I do not want to be remembered as the contractor who wrecked people’s homes here, but we must do our job,” he said.
“I would rather destroy the homes than hand them over to the Palestinians. It is heart-wrenching, and I suppose it will be a while before I get over it.”
At around 4:30 p.m. Sunday the first bulldozer rammed into a home in Pe’at Sadeh, one of the first settlements to be evacuated voluntarily.
A note attached to the first house demolished in the settlement read, “Until when will our blood be sacrificed. We love you, dear home. We, the residents of Pe’at Sadeh, will be back.”
Most of the equipment in the homes was transferred to Palestinians residing in the Muasi area in Gaza.
As I said....
08-27-2005, 03:03 PM #10Originally Posted by Badgerman
08-28-2005, 01:56 PM #11
Bigen, that does bring some clarity to the issue. The way I saw it on Fox News was very different with Jews shouting they would rather die than have their homes inhabited by the palestinians.
08-28-2005, 02:26 PM #12Originally Posted by Benches505
The Jewish settlers didn't want Palestinians living in their homes. The Palestinians didn't want the homes.
As we've seen, our master of self criticism has clearly criticised and even "fought" about how he thinks the Israelis aren't humane for not wanting to transfer the homes to the Palestinians, but, as expected, said nothing about the PA not wanting to take the homes and give them to Palestinians. For some reason people here tend to "understand" why the Palestinians don't want the home, but don't understand and even think it's cruel that settlers didn't want the homes given to the Palestinians.
Why is that?
08-29-2005, 12:59 AM #13
You need say nothing more than that property owners are apposed to giving their earned property to someone that has not compensated for its worth. Is anyone wrong to refuse their property to any entity that is unwilling to compenste them fairly for its value?
Last edited by inheritmylife; 08-29-2005 at 12:28 PM.
08-29-2005, 01:14 AM #14
Its funny the excuses people make.
When America nuked the Japanese they did it to benefit of the Japanese people.
Now this. I wish I can use these types of excuses.
08-29-2005, 04:10 AM #15Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
There you go,
I knew you had it in you,
Even with conclusive evidence, the actual words of the Palestinian representatives, you can't believe anything that doesn't shed a negative light against Israel!
Way to go!
08-29-2005, 04:22 AM #16Originally Posted by Bigen12
The Palestinians are putting a positive spin on the situation. But the truth is that the settlers have said "They dont want to see Arabs living in their homes"
I dont blame the settlers or the Israeli government. But dont act like this act is a favor, its not. Its a selfish manuver.
08-29-2005, 12:55 PM #17Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
I’m going to pull my pants legs up, it’s getting pretty deep in here….
Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
There you go, just like Militia…
Don’t let the words, of the Palestinians, get in the way of your twisting the situation to fit your own warped position……
08-30-2005, 07:20 AM #18Originally Posted by Bigen12
But, dont make it look like destroying those homes, were done as a favor to the Palestinians, it was NOT favor. It was a selfish move done by Israel, for their benefit.
If Israel removes the rubble after destroying the buildings that would benefit the Palestinians, it they dont, its a finincial burden on the Palestinians.
08-30-2005, 08:13 AM #19Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
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