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    A Must Read; Senator John Glenn

    Senator John Glenn

    This is worth reading

    WHAT SENATOR JOHN GLENN SAID

    Things that make you think a little:
    There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
    In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of
    January.That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire
    war-torn country of Iraq.
    When some claim that President Bush shouldn't have started this war,
    state the following:
    a. FDR led us into World War II.

    b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.
    From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...
    an average of 112,500 per year.

    c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.
    North Korea never attacked us.
    From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ...
    an average of 18,334 per year.

    d John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
    Vietnam never attacked us.

    e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
    From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ...
    an average of 5,800 per year.

    f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia
    never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter
    three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple
    occasions.

    g. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush has
    liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put
    nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and North Korea without firing a
    shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own
    people.

    The Democrats are complaining about
    how long the war is taking.
    But ..

    It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the
    Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.

    We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less
    time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing
    records.

    It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to
    destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call
    the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick

    It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in
    Florida!!!!

    Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB!
    The Military morale is high!
    The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts
    But Wait . there's more!

    JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR)
    Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13
    Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they
    do for a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator
    Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive
    impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation
    of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a
    living.
    This IS a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never
    served think of the military.
    Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):
    "How can you run for Senate
    when you've never held a real job?"
    Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):
    "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps.
    I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions.
    My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was
    in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on
    the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take
    the daily cash receipts to the bank."
    "I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day...
    to a veteran's hospital and look those men .
    with their mangled bodies .. in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold
    a job!
    You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to
    the widows and Orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee...
    and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn't
    hold a job.
    You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National
    Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember,
    and you watch those waving flags
    You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that
    those people didn't have a job?
    What about you?"
    For those who don't remember ..
    During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the
    Communist Party in the USA.
    Now he's a Senator!

    You go Senator John Glenn and may GOD BLESS AND KEEP YOU!!!!! AND THANK YOU

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    lol...

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    about a year ago didnt he sock up some dude that said the mooon landing was fake? Glenn is what 83/84?

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    The intro article is self-defeating in a way. It's examples show the poor judgement and, in some cases, outright treasonous behavior of former presidents and their willingness to commit men's lives to foreign conflicts.

    It somehow tries to use terrible judgement to justify bad judgement. I don't know about everyone else in this forum, but I expect our elected officials to exercise impeccable judgement when human life is at stake. Even more so when that life is that of American men and women who have signed on to defend it's nation against enemies, foreign and domestic, and to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

    And above all, when our military actions are preemptive in nature, and we are responsible for initiating force in order to defend ourselves against impending, and certain, attack. Initiation of force is the action that our system of constitutional law was designed to protect us against. He who initaites force unjustly is the criminal, not he who uses force to defend himself, or even retaliate, due to a violation of a person's right to life, liberty, or property. And yes, I included retaliation. I believe it a human right to exercise retribution in an equal manner when the laws and government of men fail to prosecute the wrongdoer. As there is natural law, there must also be natural justice, for people were concieved and have existed in the absence of government.

    To use the fact that the USA has a history of sending it's Marines and other killing machines to make unprovoked war in distant lands in order to justify a similar action is ridiculous. George W. Bush doesn't get a free pass just because those he inherited the office from were more twisted by power corrupted by foreign elements than he. If I have my way, his misuse of the armed forces will not go unpunished, and certainly not unmentioned. His reluctance to use his executive power to end the staus quo of usurpations and abuse of the constitution, and in the case of the approval of the PATRIOT Act, outright tyranny, have earned him a chance to dance at the end of a rope.



    Now on to my former Senator's comments. Mr. Glenn gave the prime of his life to the service of his fellow citizens. He may have done it because he thought flying airplanes was cool, or because ROTC would pay for a degree, but damnit, he did it. John Glenn is quite simply a hero of naval aviation.

    However...

    I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for veterans that get out of the military and expect people to throw jobs at them just because they have a DD214. I was almost shocked to discover that my service record, meritorious promotion to the rank of E-5, various commendations, and simple claim to have served honorably in a Marine rifle company did not qualify me as a sales representative on a used-car lot. Sales expierience is what they wanted, not repetitive training in the art of killing large groups of human beings in an expedited fashion. Pffft, sales expierience. What do I need that for, can't I get a break? I mean, I was a Marine. Doesn't that qualify me for something?

    It took some time for the fact to sink in that military service is only a valuable asset when re-enlisting in military service or some para-military unit such as law enforcement or private security. And the only reason matters is because military folks are often familiar with arms and the uniform regulations that go along with wearing a badge. So if I wasn't interested in becoming a cop or armored truck driver, I was left with the same choices that confronted me four years prior: learn a trade, join the entry-level workforce, or get a degree.

    But...

    I know now that although my expierience as an enlisted member of the armed forces doesn't pre-qualify me for any job that requires expierience specific to that profession, it certainly was a job. I busted my ass harder than any person my age going through the motions in college. I felt pain and misery that I can not relate in words.

    I, and every participating member of the armed forces, earned our pay.

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    must be his son...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by O.fO.shO
    must be his son...........

    Too cryptic for discussion boards. Have some balls and put together a real insult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inheritmylife
    Too cryptic for discussion boards. Have some balls and put together a real insult.
    Sorry , ill try to write a paper on it next time.......'cryptic'

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    Quote Originally Posted by O.fO.shO
    Sorry , ill try to write a paper on it next time.......'cryptic'

    Put it in as many or as few words as you like, or put it in Haiku form for all I care, but for god's sake, grow some balls and quote the person that you are making fun of.

    I know it may run contrary to your cowardly nature, but at least direct your childish comments so that everyone knows who you are making fun of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inheritmylife
    Put it in as many or as few words as you like, or put it in Haiku form for all I care, but for god's sake, grow some balls and quote the person that you are making fun of.

    I know it may run contrary to your cowardly nature, but at least direct your childish comments so that everyone knows who you are making fun of.

    My bad let me start by 'quoting' you so as to not confuse you . My first statement was directed to lifter 2005 ( I thought it was obvious). My second was to you (which i did quote) .

    WOW!! you were right.....i feel my balls growing already!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by O.fO.shO
    My bad let me start by 'quoting' you so as to not confuse you . My first statement was directed to lifter 2005 ( I thought it was obvious). My second was to you (which i did quote) .

    WOW!! you were right.....i feel my balls growing already!!!

    No, it wasn't obvious because you didn't quote the original post. If you didn't direct the comment towards me, then I apologize for getting involved. But I'm sure you can see how I may have felt that it was directed towards me, and not lifter 2005.

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