09-04-2005, 09:21 PM #1
have you ever sat down and talked to someone in the miltary?
And learned about how incredibly powerful the USA is? I sat down with an uncle that was on a nuc sub the other day. The shit he told me about us and the USA's military was unreal. Do you guys realize how bad we kicked the shit out of the USSR during the cold war? We basically handed them there asses in terms of Technology. I was utterly amazed at some of the things he shared with me. Botton line..... If someone was to drop a nuke in NYC... say goodbye to a bunch of little countries all over the world..... WOw is all I can say...
09-05-2005, 03:35 PM #2Originally Posted by Jdawg50
09-05-2005, 04:28 PM #3Member
Originally Posted by BeerBaron
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well said .
09-05-2005, 05:58 PM #4Originally Posted by BeerBaron
he may have stated it poorly.. but your opinion that trillions were wasted.. well.. lets just say..
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09-05-2005, 06:18 PM #5
Rape and kill our women eh?, might I suggest reading something other than anti-soviet propaganda. Trillions were wasted by both governments. Imagine if that kind of effort was put towards something rather than destruction. The cold war was ended because both sides realized that they were sealing their own fate, not because one side won.
09-05-2005, 06:24 PM #6
I have never had the chance to talk with a person in the military right now but my Uncle fought on Hamburger Hill with the 101st Airborn Rangers and he had some great stories.
09-05-2005, 07:57 PM #7
Last time I chatted with a military person when I was a civilian was :
real last time : Recruting sgt: Yes please sign here!
real last time:
My grand father: If you ever join the army im gonna kill you, I prefer be the one ending the life of my own than some other men!
he was a WW2 vet
09-05-2005, 10:06 PM #8Retired Vet
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09-06-2005, 08:24 AM #9
I'm not sure that I was being juvenile. After that discussioon with this sub-mariner, I found myself very proud of the US military. Wasted Trillions, I disagree, winning the cold war was as important as winning WWII. We are who we are because Reagan had the balls to bring our military to the next level. This friend of mine was telling me how the US subs were super quite compared to the Russian subs. They had a lot more of them, but ours were way faster, quiter, and our technology was far beyond thiers. I agree we could both completely destroy each other, but after this dicussion I had, I had a much greater understanding of what our military was capable of. And this guy has been out for almost 10 years now. I just had no idea that one missle on some of the boats had up to 6 warheads. each warhead having 10x or more the power of heroshima. So one missle would be equal to 60 or more heroshima's!
I guess that was more of my point. Plus I was drinking wine, and chilling... I think this post was at the peak of my buzz... lol
09-06-2005, 09:34 AM #10Originally Posted by spywizard
09-06-2005, 10:28 AM #11Originally Posted by BeerBaron
09-06-2005, 10:29 AM #12Originally Posted by LAW
09-06-2005, 10:45 AM #13Originally Posted by BeerBaron
To keep the peace you prepare for war. If we listened to ppl like you we would be learning Russian right now or German if you go back a few years.
09-06-2005, 11:35 AM #14Originally Posted by BeerBaron
Rejecting the assumption that communism was an international monolith with aggressive designs on the "free world", the post-revisionist school nevertheless accepts US policy in Europe as a necessary reaction to cope with instability in Europe, which threatened to drastically alter the balance of power in a manner favorable to the USSR and devastate the Western economic and political system.
09-06-2005, 02:01 PM #15
I wouldnt say wasted money. Im sure the technology originaly developed for military purposes have found a multitude of civilian aplications.
09-06-2005, 02:02 PM #16
if I where a american the thing I would be most proud of from the cold war era would be the moonlanding.
Not the gazillion of mega equpied subs with enough nukes to destroy countries.
09-06-2005, 02:17 PM #17
One general fact that I have discovered is that our "internet" today is based off the technology used for military communications years ago.
And so is our satellite technology.
Not going anywhere with that - just interesting how these have become part of eveyone's lives.
But if not for the military, would there have been as much of a push to develop and refine either?
09-06-2005, 02:24 PM #18
I think the greatest advancements comes during times of conflict.
nuclear power, aviation technology, rocket technology.
internet btw as far as I know started as a network betwen universitys? But I might be completely wrong.
to bad the cold war never reach out in space seriously. I wish the soviet union still existed and a race for mars was going on
09-06-2005, 02:31 PM #19internet btw as far as I know started as a network betwen universitys? But I might be completely wrong.
The universities were the ones who headed the research and development for this new system. Hence the first messages sent across it were from university to university.
09-06-2005, 07:28 PM #20
Good point guys...I should have said "needed by military" instead of "used".
09-06-2005, 07:38 PM #21
I don't see anything wrong with your point, it was needed and from now on will always be used by the military.
09-06-2005, 07:44 PM #22
I thought Al Gore invented the internet??
09-06-2005, 07:47 PM #23Originally Posted by Jdawg50
09-06-2005, 07:49 PM #24
LOL, I still love that line!
09-06-2005, 07:51 PM #25Originally Posted by Jdawg50
09-07-2005, 04:01 AM #26Originally Posted by symatech
09-07-2005, 04:09 AM #27
The only personal satisfaction I take from our complete, and unchallenged naval, land based, and airborn nuclear supremacy is that we suposedly won. I suppose that victory only holds worth to me because I was about 8 years old when we officialy "won", and as an American, I'm used to being #1. Although, I wouln't mind being #2 or 8 if I got all that money back that I payed in taxes to pay rent, or car insurance.
I'll tell you, I do remember being a 22 year-old Marine Corporal who was given the priveledge of talking to an old, Korean War vet one afternoon while I was doing absolutely nothing in the base PX.
This old Marine was, in my estimation, about to keel over and die. But that didn't stop him from asking me politely, "Corporal, do you mind if I take a minute of your time?"
As a Marine, I was automaticly reverent of this senior citizen, but as soon as he identified himself as a member of my Battalion during the Korean war, I was all ears.
This old guy recounted a story of hardship that I can't even comprehend. He held a brother in his last breaths, because they used to station them in the same unit. He killed over 35 Chinese in his estimation. The only way that he desribed them was that they were barely pubescent and they had no shoes. In some cases, their toes had already been amputated or fallen off. His entire chain of command, from Major to LT., was annhilated, Corporals and Lance Coolies were on the radio taking orders from generals.
He wasn't even in an infantry company. He was part of the 2/7 Battalion Headquarters unit on thier way to supply Fox Company.
This guy was a truck driver. He saw more death and violence, and handed out more of the same, than the 31st MEU or 75th Rangers have likely seen in their entire time in Afghantistan.
And I think that Afghanistan was more justified than Truman's involvement in the Korean peninsula.
It just amazes me that an entire generation of hero-warrior men died on some worthless landmass for no real gain. We're talking tens-of-thousands of men's lives.
We thought it was important, that it meant something. I'm sure some asshole would love to point out that S. Korea is a free country now.
But who cares? Would the Communist north and the Chinese have exterminated millions of thier relatives? No, but they may have raised taxes.
09-07-2005, 10:06 AM #28
War is dumb.......always has been......always will be
09-07-2005, 10:19 AM #29Originally Posted by Badgerman
09-07-2005, 04:16 PM #30
Yes......I'll take "war" over "Roidattack"........you bleeding out the ass or something??
Need some prep H????
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