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    Is Katrina a sign of the last days?

    Hurricane Katrina:
    A sign of the Last Days?



    Hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes and global terrorism all cause us to wonder what on earth is happening. Sure, there has always been tragedy and cataclysmic events in our world, but, these days, it seems that a new crisis is exploding just as another is beginning to abate.

    As we prepare to remember the horrific attack on American soil on 9-11, we may wonder could it be that all these things that are happening in our world today are actually signs of the times. Could these be reminders to us that Jesus Christ is coming back soon?

    Consider the tsunami that struck Southeast Asia on Dec. 26 last year. It was caused by the fourth most powerful undersea earthquake on record. An earthquake so powerful it moved the entire island of Sumatra 100 feet to the southwest from its pre-quake position. Geologists said the tsunami was so powerful that it set the whole Earth to vibrating and it interfered with the Earth's rotation to the degree that time stopped for three microseconds.

    According to the U.S. Geological Society, earthquakes are on the increase. For the past 50 years, every decade has increased in the number of earthquakes recorded. And not just minor ones, but "killer quakes" as well. And, this one has been one of the strongest ever, with more than 286,000 causalities in its wake. More will come.

    And now in our own back yard, this tragic hurricane called Katrina may end up claiming thousands of lives as well.

    Then there is the continuing threat of terrorism. The last attack happened in London, with threats of more to come.

    When Jesus was asked what the signs of His return would be, He painted a picture of a world torn by strife and war; famine in the midst of plenty; the Earth rocked by great earthquakes and ravaged by pestilences. Jesus said: "And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven" (Luke 21:11, NKJV). Jesus indicates that natural disasters along with global conflict will begin to increase in frequency and intensity in concert with each other shortly before His return.

    And it is as these "birth pains" begin to take place that Christians are to know their deliverance is near!

    Jesus said "Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near" (Luke 21:28, NKJV).

    I had the opportunity to be a guest on "Larry King Live" in August, and a caller directed a question to me about what is happening in our world today. I was asked if we are, indeed, seeing signs of the times, predicted in the Bible, reminding us that the coming of Christ is near. I told her, "I believe that we are." And Larry pointedly said to me, "It's been 2005 years"! And I responded, "Yes, and we are 2005 years closer"! We have never been closer to the return of Jesus Christ to the Earth than we are right now. So, what are we to do?

    Certainly, we want to do everything we can for the victims of this latest tragedy along the gulf coast of Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana. You will find Christian churches and relief organizations like Samaritan's Purse, World Vision, and the Salvation Army leading the way. And, we all should offer them and others our prayerful and financial support.

    Sometimes people accuse Christians of having their heads in the sand, oblivious to the problems of the world around us. As it is often stated, they are so "heavenly minded, they are no earthly good." Nothing could be further from the truth.

    In fact, the very opposite is the case. When you truly are "heavenly minded," you will be of the greatest earthly good. You will find those who have done the most for this world have been those who thought the most of the next one.

    You will not see any atheist relief groups rushing to provide aid to our friends devastated by Katrina. There is no "Non-believer's Purse," or "Secular Vision" or "Atheists' Army" out there helping those in need. But there are thousands of Christian churches and para-church organizations that are already doing what they do best – offering help and hope to those in need.

    Another thing we must consider as we see these signs of the times, or these "birth pains," is these are reminders to us that the return of Jesus is near and we need to be ready spiritually.

    The Bible teaches that there is a generation of people who will not see death, but rather will meet the Lord in what is often referred to as the rapture of the Church.

    Could we be that generation? Time will tell. But if I were you, I would pay careful attention to all that is happening – you will be glad that you did!

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    I am not taking a stance on this article, I just wanted to see what others thought of it. Please dont respond if it is going to be offensive.

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    Sry the article is written by Greg Laurie

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    nah, I dont think the end is near yet. There are things in life called coincidences. And I dont believe that a bunch of rag heads setting off car bombs is a sign from God either.

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    Like we will ever know when the end is near. How many times have people thought something was a sign of the end. When the end comes, whoever is alive will know it.

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    yes i feel he is coming soon and i would not want to be left behind

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    John Walvoord, Chancellor of Dallas Seminary, has noted:

    "In the present world scene there are many indications pointing to the conclusion that the end of the age may soon be upon us. These prophecies relating to Israel's coming day of suffering and ultimate restoration may be destined for fulfillment in the present generation.
    Never before in the history of the world has there been a confluence of major evidences of preparation for the end."

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    Oh, brother . . .

    People have been anticipating the end of the world and the return of Jesus for thousands of years. Folks have sold all their belongings and went camping on mountaintops with silver-tongued preachers, expecting the imminent end, but as you can see, we're all still here.

    Back in the first gulf war, people I was working with were all a-twitter and nervous over Jesus return, some of 'em had some book that gave a 7 year period before The End, but that's been about 15 years ago . . . Same thing when the second gulf war started, and all that speculation died away, but not until Rev. Tim LaHaye sold millions and millions of books about the Tribulation (which was actually ghost written by some other guy, and stated on the dust jacket that it was entirely a work of fiction).

    The probability of the Book of Revelation being anything more than the work of a raving lunatic is no more than the probability that (a) Eve conversed with a talking serpant, (b) Moses led over half the population of Egypt away, or that (c) anyone has a clue who actually wrote the Pentateuch.

    Nevertheless, people will always fearfully speculate on their superstitions, and Books, you're welcome to continue to do so, if it fulfills your masochist needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by books555
    John Walvoord, Chancellor of Dallas Seminary, has noted:

    "In the present world scene there are many indications pointing to the conclusion that the end of the age may soon be upon us.
    And then again, maybe not . . .






    Quote Originally Posted by books555
    John Walvoord, Chancellor of Dallas Seminary, has noted:
    These prophecies relating to Israel's coming day of suffering and ultimate restoration may be destined for fulfillment in the present generation.
    And then again, maybe not . . .






    Quote Originally Posted by books555
    John Walvoord, Chancellor of Dallas Seminary, has noted:
    Never before in the history of the world has there been a confluence of major evidences of preparation for the end."
    Huh? A "confluence of major evidences" of "preparation for the end?"
    That sounds like a tactful way of saying, "Ain't never been so many gullible snits getting so worked up over this prophecy crap."

    Truth is, in Europe around the year 1000, just about everybody was going bonkers because they were sure that Jesus would return One Milleneum after his Ressurrection. And they had all the requisite evidences too, like "wars and rumors of wars," pestilances, plagues, bad weather, etc, etc, etc.

    Tsk tsk tsk . . . this Walvoord guy is just another nitwit speculating over superstition.

    Sheesh . . .

    -Tock

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    Here's some of the many prophesies fortelling the end of the world . . . Tell me how many of them actually came true . . .
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    http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm

    Overview:
    Some Christians and secular individuals predicted several momentous events that they believed are related:

    The second coming of Jesus Christ, when he returns to earth after almost two millennia.
    The war of Armageddon -- a massive battle in Israel.
    The arrival on earth of the Antichrist, an evil political, military leader.
    The Tribulation, a seven year interval of great suffering and death.
    The Rapture, when Christians who have been born again -- both living and dead -- will rise into the sky towards Jesus.
    Some horrendous natural disaster.
    etc.

    It is worth noting that all of the following predictions have failed. We expect that predictions being made today about our future will also fail.



    Disclaimer:
    We offer no guarantees that the prophets listed below actually made these predictions. We have described their alleged predictions as they were reported on the Web, in newspapers, books, etc. We do not have the resources to track down original source material.


    Failed prophecies:
    About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when interpreted literally, appear to record many predictions by Jeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) that God's Kingdom would arrive within a very short period, or was actually in the process of arriving. For example, Jesus is recorded as saying in Matthew 16:28: "...there shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." In Matthew 24:34, Yeshua is recorded as saying: "...This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Since the life expectancy in those days was little over 30 years, Jesus appears to have predicted his second coming sometime during the 1st century CE. It didn't happen. More details.
    About 60 CE: Interpreting the Epistles of Paul of Tarsus literally, his writings seem to imply that Jesus would return and usher in a rapture during the lifetime of persons who were living in the middle of the 1st century. More details.
    About 90 CE: Saint Clement 1 predicted that the world end would occur at any moment.
    2nd Century CE: Prophets and Prophetesses of the Montanist movement predicted that Jesus would return sometime during their lifetime and establish the New Jerusalem in the city of Pepuza in Asia Minor.
    365 CE: A man by the name of Hilary of Poitiers, announced that the end would happen that year. It didn't.
    375 to 400 CE: Saint Martin of Tours, a student of Hilary, was convinced that the end would happen sometime before 400 CE.
    500 CE: This was the first year-with-a-nice-round-number-panic. The antipope Hippolytus and an earlier Christian academic Sextus Julius Africanus had predicted Armageddon at about this year.
    968 CE: An eclipse was interpreted as a prelude to the end of the world by the army of the German emperor Otto III.
    992: Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this had long been believed to be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times events foretold in the book of Revelation. Records from Germany report that a new sun rose in the north and that as many as 3 suns and 3 moons were fighting.
    1000-JAN-1: Many Christians in Europe had predicted the end of the world on this date. As the date approached, Christian armies waged war against some of the Pagan countries in Northern Europe. The motivation was to convert them all to Christianity, by force if necessary, before Christ returned in the year 1000. Meanwhile, some Christians had given their possessions to the Church in anticipation of the end. Fortunately, the level of education was so low that many citizens were unaware of the year. They did not know enough to be afraid. Otherwise, the panic might have been far worse than it was. Unfortunately, when Jesus did not appear, the church did not return the gifts. Serious criticism of the Church followed. The Church reacted by exterminating some heretics.
    1000-MAY: The body of Charlemagne was disinterred on Pentecost. A legend had arisen that an emperor would rise from his sleep to fight the Antichrist.
    1005-1006: A terrible famine throughout Europe was seen as a sign of the closeness of the end.
    1033: Some believed this to be the 1000th anniversary of the death and resurrection of Jesus. His second coming was anticipated. Jesus' actual date of execution is unknown, but is believed to be in the range of 27 to 33 CE.
    1147: Gerard of Poehlde decided that the millennium had actually started in 306 CE during Constantine's reign. Thus, the world end would happen in 1306 CE.
    1179: John of Toledo predicted the end of the world during 1186. This estimate was based on the alignment of many planets.
    1205: Joachim of Fiore predicted in 1190 that the Antichrist was already in the world, and that King Richard of England would defeat him. The Millennium would then begin, sometime before 1205.
    1284: Pope Innocent III computed this date by adding 666 years onto the date the Islam was founded.
    1346 and later: The black plague spread across Europe, killing one third of the population. This was seen as the prelude to an immediate end of the world. Unfortunately, the Christians had previously killed a many of the cats, fearing that they might be familiars of Witches. The fewer the cats, the more the rats. It was the rat fleas that spread the black plague.
    1496: This was approximately 1500 years after the birth of Jesus. Some mystics in the 15th century predicted that the millennium would begin during this year.
    1524: Many astrologers predicted the imminent end of the world due to a world wide flood. They obviously had not read the Genesis story of the rainbow.
    1533: Melchior Hoffman predicted that Jesus' return would happen in 1533 and that the New Jerusalem would be established in Strasbourg, Germany. He was arrested and died in a Strasbourg jail.
    1669: The Old Believers in Russia believed that the end of the world would occur in this year. 20 thousand burned themselves to death from 1669 to 1690 to protect themselves from the Antichrist.
    1689: Benjamin Keach, a 17th century Baptist, predicted the end of the world for this year.
    1736: British theologian and mathematician William Whitson predicted a great flood similar to Noah's for OCT-13 of this year.
    1792: This was the date of the end of the world calculated by some believers in the Shaker movement.
    1794: Charles Wesley, one of the founders of Methodism, thought Doomsday would be in this year.
    1830: Margaret McDonald, a Christian prophetess, predicted that Robert Owen would be the Antichrist. Owen helped found New Harmony, IN.
    1832: Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon movement, heard a voice and interpreted it as implying that if he lived to the age of 85, Jesus would return. This would be the year 1890. Unfortunately, by that year, Smith had been dead for almost a half century.
    1843-MAR-21: William Miller, founder of the Millerite movement, predicted that Jesus would come on this date.
    1844-OCT-22: When Jesus did not return, Miller predicted this new date. In an event which is now called "The Great Disappointment," many Christians sold their property and possessions, quit their jobs and prepared themselves for the second coming. Nothing happened; the day came and went without incident.
    1850: Ellen White, founder of the Seven Day Adventists movement, made many predictions of the timing of the end of the world. All failed. She made one on 1850-JUN-27 that only a few months remained before the end. She wrote: "My accompanying angel said, 'Time is almost finished. Get ready, get ready, get ready.' ...now time is almost finished...and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months." 10
    1856 or later: At Ellen White's last prediction, she said that she was shown in a vision the fate of believers who attended the 1856 SDA conference. She wrote "I was shown the company present at the Conference. Said the angel: 'Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus." 11 That is, some of the attendees would die of normal diseases; some would die from plagues at the last days, others would still be alive when Jesus came. "By the early 1900s all those who attended the conference had passed away, leaving the Church with the dilemma of trying to figure out how to explain away such a prominent prophetic failure." 12
    1891 or before: On 1835-FEB-14, Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon church, attended a meeting of church leaders. He said that the meeting had been called because God had commanded it. He announced that Jesus would return within 56 years -- i.e. before 1891-FEB-15. (History of the Church 2:182)
    1914 was one of the more important estimates of the start of the war of Armageddon by the Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society). They computed 1914 from prophecy in the book of Daniel, Chapter 4. The writings referred to "seven times". The WTS interpreted each "time" as equal to 360 days, giving a total of 2520 days. This was further interpreted as representing 2520 years, measured from the starting date of 607 BCE. This gave 1914 as the target date. When 1914 passed, they changed their prediction; 1914 became the year that Jesus invisibly began his rule.
    1914, 1915, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1941, 1975 and 1994, etc. were other dates that the Watchtower Society (WTS) or its members predicted. Since late in the 19th century, they had taught that the "battle of the Great Day of God Almighty" (Armageddon) would happen in 1914 CE. It didn't.
    The next major estimate was 1925. Watchtower magazine predicted: "The year 1925 is a date definitely and clearly marked in the Scriptures, even more clearly than that of 1914; but it would be presumptuous on the part of any faithful follower of the Lord to assume just what the Lord is going to do during that year." 6
    The Watchtower Society selected 1975 as its next main prediction. This was based on the estimate "according to reliable Bible chronology Adam was created in the year 4026 BCE, likely in the autumn of the year, at the end of the sixth day of creation." 8 They believed that the year 1975 a promising date for the end of the world, as it was the 6,000th anniversary of Adam's creation. Exactly 1,000 years was to pass for each day of the creation week. This prophecy also failed.
    The current estimate is that the end of the world as we know it will happen precisely 6000 years after the creation of Eve. 9 There is no way of knowing when this happened.
    More details on the WTS predictions.

    1919: Meteorologist Albert Porta predicted that the conjunction of 6 planets would generate a magnetic current that would cause the sun to explode and engulf the earth on DEC-17.
    1936: Herbert W Armstrong, founder of the Worldwide Church of God, predicted that the Day of the Lord would happen sometime in 1936. When the prediction failed, he made a new estimate: 1975.
    1940 or 1941: A Bible teacher from Australia, Leonard Sale-Harrison, held a series of prophesy conferences across North America in the 1930's. He predicted that the end of the world would happen in 1940 or 1941. 7
    1948: During this year, the state of Israel was founded. Some Christians believed that this event was the final prerequisite for the second coming of Jesus. Various end of the world predictions were made in the range 1888 to 2048.
    1953-AUG: David Davidson wrote a book titled "The Great Pyramid, Its Divine Message". In it, he predicted that the world would end in 1953-AUG.
    1957-APR: The Watchtower magazine quoted 6 a pastor from California, Mihran Ask, as saying in 1957-JAN that "Sometime between April 16 and 23, 1957, Armageddon will sweep the world! Millions of persons will perish in its flames and the land will be scorched.'
    1959: The Branch Davidians of Waco TX believed that they would be killed, resurrected and transferred to heaven by APR-22.
    1960: Piazzi Smyth, a past astronomer royal of Scotland, wrote a book circa 1860 titled "Our Inheritance in the Great Pyramid." It was responsible for spreading the belief in pyramidology throughout the world. This is the belief that secrets are hidden in the dimensions of the great pyramids. He concluded from his research that the millennium would start before the end of 1960 CE.
    1967: During the six day war, the Israeli army captured all of Jerusalem. Many conservative Christians believed that the rapture would occur quickly. However, the final Biblical prerequisite for the second coming is that the Jews resume ritual animal sacrifices in the temple at Jerusalem. That never happened.
    1970's: The late Moses David (formerly David Berg) was the founder of the Christian religious group, The Children of God. He predicted that a comet would hit the earth, probably in the mid 1970's and destroy all life in the United States. One source indicated that he believed it would happen in 1973.
    1972: According to an article in the Atlantic magazine, "Herbert W. Armstrong's empire suffered a serious blow when the end failed to begin in January of 1972, as Armstrong had predicted, thus bringing hardship to many people who had given most of their assets to the church in the expectation of going to Petra, where such worldly possessions would be useless." 3
    1974: Charles Meade, a pastor in Daleville, IN, predicted that the end of the world will happen during his lifetime. He was born circa 1927, so the end will probably come early in the 21st century.
    1975: A major Jehovah's Witness prediction date.
    1978: Chuck Smith, Pastor of Calvary Chapel in Cost Mesa, CA, predicted the rapture in 1981.
    1980: Leland Jensen leader of a Baha'i World Faith group, predicted that a nuclear disaster would happen in 1980. This would be followed by two decades of conflict, ending in the establishment of God's Kingdom on earth.
    1981: Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel taught an anti-Trinitarian belief about God, and Christian Identity. Back in the 1970's, he predicted that the Antichrist would appear before 1981.
    Rev. Sun Myung Moon, founder of the Unification Church predicted that the Kingdom of Heaven would be established in this year.

    1982: Pat Robertson predicted a few years previously that the world would end in the fall of 1982.
    1982: Astronomers John Gribben & Setphen Plagemann predicted the "Jupiter Effect" in 1974. They wrote that when various planets were aligned on the same side of the sun, tidal forces would create solar flares, radio interruptions, rainfall and temperature disturbances and massive earthquakes. The planets did align, as seen from earth, but nothing unusual happened.
    1984 to 1999: In 1983, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, later called Osho, teacher of what has been called the Rajneesh movement, is said to have predicted massive destruction on earth, including natural disasters and man-made catastrophes. Floods larger than any since Noah, extreme earthquakes, very destructive volcano eruptions, nuclear wars etc. will be experienced. Tokyo, New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Bombay will all disappear. Actually, the predictions were read by his secretary; their legitimacy is doubtful.
    1985: Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel predicted that the war of Aramageddon will start on 1985-JUN 8-9 in "a valley of the Alaskan peninsula."
    1986: Moses David of The Children of God faith group predicted that the Battle of Armageddon would take place in 1986. Russia would defeat Israel and the United States. A worldwide Communist dictatorship would be established. In 1993, Christ would return to earth.
    1987 to 2000: Lester Sumrall, in his 1987 book "I Predict 2000 AD" predicted that Jerusalem would be the richest city on Earth, that the Common Market would rule Europe, and that there would be a nuclear war involving Russia and perhaps the U.S. Also, he prophesized that the greatest Christian revival in the history of the church would happen: all during the last 13 years of the 20th century. All of the predictions failed.
    1988: Hal Lindsey had predicted in his book "The Late, Great Planet Earth" that the Rapture was coming in 1988 - one generation or 40 years after the creation of the state of Israel. This failed prophecy did not appear to damage his reputation. He continues to write books of prophecy which sell very well indeed.
    Alfred Schmielewsky, a psychic whose stage name was "super-psychic A.S. Narayana," predicted in 1986 that the world's greatest natural disaster would hit Montreal in 1988. Sadly, his psychic abilities failed him on 1999-APR-11 when he answered the door of his home only to be shot dead by a gunman.

    1988-MAY: A 1981 movie titled "The man who saw tomorrow" described some of Nostradamus predictions. Massive earthquakes were predicted for San Francisco and Los Angeles.
    1988-OCT-11: Edgar Whisenaut, a NASA scientist, had published the book "88 Reasons why the Rapture will Occur in 1988." It sold over 4 million copies.
    About 1990: Peter Ruckman concluded from his analysis of the Bible that the rapture would come within a few years of 1990.



    References:
    S.J. Gould, "Questioning the Millennium: A Rationalist's Guide to a Precisely Arbitrary Countdown.", Harmony Books, (1997) You can read a review and safely buy this book from Amazon.com online bookstore
    Chris Nelson, "A brief history of the apocalypse," at: http://www.chrisnelson.net This web site contains over 200 references to end-of-the-world predictions which have not come true.
    William Martin, "Waiting for the End: The growing interest in apocalyptic prophesy," The Atlantic Monthly, 1982-JUN. Online at: http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/82jun/
    Charles Taze Russell, "The Time is at Hand," Page 99. Cited in Ref 5.
    "Jehovah's Witnesses and the History of 1914," Watchman Fellowship, Inc., at: http://www.watchman.org/jw
    Watchtower magazine, 1924-JUL-15, Page 211).
    Richard Kyle, "The last days are here again: A history of the end times," Baker Books, (1998), Page 111. You can read a review and safely buy this book from Amazon.com online bookstore
    The Watchtower Magazine, 1968-APR-1.
    "History of the Jehovah's Witnesses," Catholic Answers, at: http://www.catholic.com/
    Ellen White, "Early Writings," Page 64-67. Cited in reference 12
    Ellen White, "Testimonies," Vol. 1, p. 131.
    "Analysis" at: http://www.ellenwhite.org/ This is a web site that is critical of Ellen White.
    "Seed of the Serpent," Audiotape, 1979 version.

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    this is PURELY based on ONES belief !

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    Had to end sometime.

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    It will happen when we least expect it.

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    things happen. period. they always have. some believe acts of god. some believe coincidence. whatever. the only difference now is media. there is a camera everywhere to show things first hand. im sure if there was a camera during the dark ages, crusades, spanish inquesition(spelling), salem witch trials. im pretty sure people would have thought it was the end. now we see it, then they didnt. only difference.

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    I don't believe it is a sign of the times, if it were I think Katrina would still be wrecking havoc and the storms of the end times would be so much worse. Just my guess.

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    I think and hope it is .

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