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    Are you a Libertarian... not a liberal

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    I say yes Libertarian and will vote as such. But I have certain republican tendencies along with constitutionist-jeffersonian-anarcho christian theories. Even anarchists(true ones) are not caotic or socialists per say, but believe in liberty and even property... I believe our forfathers were somewhat anarchist revolutionaries that believed in personal freedom and property and then you move structure from the bottom down. Any thing other than that is authoritarian or democratic to the point of tyrannical.

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    i agree 100%
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    I scored 76, no body has told me to stop talking though... rather that I should run for an office... Can you do that if you have been arrested for a felony(will be dropped to misdomeaner)???

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    Well republican and libertarian arent nessicarily so much different. IMO a libertarian is an extreme extreme republican (In certain ways)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_test
    Well republican and libertarian arent nessicarily so much different. IMO a libertarian is an extreme extreme republican (In certain ways)
    NO I think that is incorrect we would be more centrist if anything. Here is my parties views and positions... Click on any topic that suits you.
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    Here you go, and if you do not agree with what mainstream media does not want you to know about this party(you would have to be brainwashed. j/k)

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    Here is an overview of basic libertarian thoughts, the previous post gives you a chance to hit each topic in depth. This came from the libertarian presidential canidate in 2004. Without further adue.

    By now you've probably heard at least a little something about the Libertarian party. Libertarians have had a Presidential candidate on the ballot since 1972, and the 2004 Badnarik campaign marked a continutation of that progress, with 49 ballots (not on New Hampshire or Oklahoma). We had candidates running for local and state level positions all across the country, and currently boast over 600 Libertarians in public office. It's difficult to find a place in America where you can pick up a ballot and not find a Libertarian running for office.

    In spite of this familiarity with the party, the one question that many people still seem to have is, "What exactly is a Libertarian?"

    The ideas behind Libertarianism can be traced back over 400 years, to a period in history when the concepts of individual liberty & consensual government were first finding a foothold through the writings of people like John Locke and Algernon Sidney. The right to free one's self from tyrannical government was an infuriatingly-radical notion at a time when kings were thought to be divinely-ordained rulers. It was the bravery and clear-thinking of these early libertarian writers that served as the inspiration for the American Revolution, and the founding of our country as a free and independent nation. Nowhere is this clearer than in the Declaration of Independence, which makes the libertarian case perfectly, that government should exist to secure the life, liberty, and property of every one of its citizens.

    Despite the historical connection behind the ideas of Libertarianism and the roots of our own nation, today's political pundits seem to have a difficult time figuring out how to label us: People with conservative beliefs see us as "liberals" because of our outspoken defense of personal freedoms—like the freedom of expression. On the other hand, people with liberal beliefs tend to see us as "conservatives" because of our staunch defense of economic freedoms, like the freedom for people to trade with one another in a way that they decide is in their own best interest. These misconceptions say more about the prejudices of the people who hold them, than they do about the Libertarian perspective.

    Despite this confusion, the Libertarian philosophy is really very easy to understand. Libertarians are, quite simply, people who believe in "Self-Ownership": You own yourself, and no one else on Earth has a higher claim to your body or your labor than you do. So long as people act in a way that doesn't interfere with anyone else's freedom, Libertarians believe that they should be free to do what they please.

    The idea of "Self-Ownership" is what distinguishes us from both liberals and conservatives. Every political position that Libertarians take can be traced back to this simple idea. For example, Libertarians are opposed to "liberal" attempts to use the government to regulate people's buying practices, by imposing tariffs on certain goods & industries. We oppose this kind of regulation not because we think that all goods & industries are equally wonderful, but because we believe that people own themselves, and should be allowed to buy what they like, based on their own beliefs and values. If for some people that means buying fair-trade coffee at the local co-op grocery store, then that's great—just as long as they don't use the government's power to force other people to do the same.

    Likewise, Libertarians are opposed to "conservative" attempts to use the government to regulate people's morality, by imposing laws that restrict their behavior on the Sabbath, or at the pharmacy, or in the bedroom. We're opposed to these kinds of legal restrictions not because we think that all lifestyle choices are equally worth pursuing, but because we believe that people own themselves, and should be allowed to decide how to live their lives as they see fit, so long as they aren't hurting anyone else in the process.

    Wait a second...If you're not conservative & you're not liberal, then where do you fit on the political spectrum?

    The traditional left-right spectrum is one that political scholars have recognized is incomplete for some time. In fact, it's really only useful for tracking the answer to one question: "What part of your life do you think government should control?" On the left-hand side of the spectrum we find people who believe that it's the government's job to regulate our economic lives—that is, our interactions with one another that involve exchange. Democrats and Green party members tend to be on this end of the spectrum. On the right-hand side, we find people who believe that it's the government's job to regulate our social lives. Republicans and Constitution party members tend to be on this end of the spectrum. This one-dimensional view of politics as something for controlling one area of life or another, explains why Libertarians cringe when we hear politicians talk about passing "bi-partisan legislation"!

    The closest you can come to charting Libertarians on a one-dimensional left/right spectrum is to plot us directly in the middle of the two extremes. This is the only place on the line where you can put people who don't believe in controlling each others lives either in an economic or a social sense. However, this fails to take into account that, like all other political groups, Libertarians come in varying degrees. It also makes it difficult to find a place to put people who believe that government should control both economic and social decisions.

    When you think about it, it's easy to see that the simple left/right political spectrum fails to accurately describe the various mix of political opinions held today. Several ideas have been conceived about how to address this problem—the most prominent of which has resulted in something called the "Nolan Chart", which has been used as the basis for the "World's Smallest Political Quiz" mentioned in the sidebar on this page.

    More important to notice, however, is the fact that the current "two-party" political system—with its major players fitting neatly along the left/right line—fails to accurately represent the range of political opinions held by voters today. Even when you include the other "third parties", without the Libertarian party, the system fails to provide a political home for people who value both economic and social freedom. Though they all still use the rhetoric, there is no other party that is willing to trust you to make all of your own decisions, or to respect all of your rights to life, liberty, and property. There is simply no other party that can truly say its policies will allow you all your freedoms, all the time.

    Libertarian ideas are ideas that people still agree with in great numbers. Unfortunately, too often people are lead to believe that they don't have a choice—that they must give up something in order to have a just society—or worse, in order to elect "the lesser of two evils"...but how can being compelled to choose between your "social" freedoms and your "economic" freedoms be anything but unjust and evil?

    There is another choice: If you think as we do, and if you want to send a clear message to Washington this November—a message that, if nothing else will force politicians in both major parties to think twice about passing laws that restrict your self-ownership, then vote for the candidate that you agree with most, instead of the candidate that you fear the least. Vote Libertarian!

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    The Libertarian thing seems ...for lack of a better word. Ideal.

    in an ideal world, with ideal people, this would be great.

    I just dont know if it would work with our society. Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_test
    The Libertarian thing seems ...for lack of a better word. Ideal.

    in an ideal world, with ideal people, this would be great.

    I just dont know if it would work with our society. Any thoughts?
    Yes it did work from the day we declared independence to just after the civil war.

    Ideal world usually means utopia... Total socialism or libertarian-socialist not to be confused with the libertarian/constitutionist/anarcho/federalist(small government) that founded our great republic.

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    I scored a 128.

    I'm sure that's no suprise to anyone.

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    no suprise...


    also.. in an ideal world... you don't have people looting..

    oops.. almost highjacked my own thread..

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    i agree with alot of the liberatarian views, but alot of them i am against. such as complete isolationism, privatizing all aspects of society, etc. i feel that if EVERYTHING was privatized...we would be in a world of hurt. toll roads at $50 a trip, stamps at $1.50 each, half of the children not going to school, etc. it would get outta control. dont get me wrong...i am a capitalist, but i think alot of things would get carried away.

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    I socred 77. I dont think EVERYTHING should be privatized. Some form of goverment education should always be present for instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    I socred 77. I dont think EVERYTHING should be privatized. Some form of goverment education should always be present for instance.
    HOLY CRAP........JOHAN and i actually agree on something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MASTERDBOL
    HOLY CRAP........JOHAN and i actually agree on something.
    Maby I have found jesus j/k

    Im not that unagreeable(is this a word or did I just make it up) when you get to know me

    I guess I like some kind of social libertarianism(with STRONG emphasis on libertarianism), but I hate the word social it leaves a faul taste in my mouth.

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    Hmmm scored 58

    51-90 points: You are a medium-core libertarian, probably self-consciously so. Your friends probably encourage you to quit talking about your views so much.

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    I scored 125.........I'm a capitalist anarchist........right now I'm for more government control to reign in the elitists.......but it will never happen so I'm going for major downsizing .....I'm voting STRAIGHT LIBERTARIAN IN THE NEXT ELECTION

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