09-10-2005, 10:51 PM #1
Differences in Islam and Christianity
Islam vs. Christianity - What are the major differences?
Many people wonder what the comparison is between Islam vs. Christianity. While there are a few similarities between Islam and Christianity, such as a belief in moral living and doing good to others, nevertheless, Muslims and Christians have vastly different views on major points of ideology and theology. First and foremost are the differing perceptions of Jesus, the Christ. Islam readily accepts that Jesus of Nazareth existed and that He was born of the virgin, Mary. Islam teaches that Jesus was merely another prophet, equal to and following in the line of Adam, Noah, Abraham, and Moses. Muslims believe that Muhammad is the final messenger, superior to all previous prophets, the ultimate. Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God, which as the Jews accused of old, makes Him equal to God. He is accepted as the Second Person of the Trinity, God Himself come to earth in the flesh.
Secondly, Islam refutes the idea that Jesus Christ was crucified on the cross. They believe that God spared His messenger from such an ignominious death and later took Him up to Himself. For Christians, the death of Jesus Christ on the cross is the focal point of all that they believe. The only way for man to be reconciled to a Holy God is for the ultimate price to be paid. Christians believe that Jesus Christ paid the ultimate price by shedding His blood. Without that precious act, Christians remain hopeless and in sin. "In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness" (Hebrews 9:22).
The religion of Islam has the Qur'an as the source of truth. Muslims believe that the original New Testament, which they call Injil, was the original revelation that Jesus received from Allah. They believe, however, that the Christians of today have corrupted the original Scriptures; therefore the Bible that is read by Christendom today is unreliable. Muslims believe that the message of Muhammad continued the original truths that were outlined in the Injil, and additionally, have corrected the errors that Christians have added. Christians hold that the Bible, including the Old and New Testaments is the infallible Word of God. They believe that God inspired the Scriptures; it is their only source of truth and instruction. "For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit" (2 Peter 1:21).
Finally, Muslims do not hold to any assurance of salvation. They do not feel that is was even necessary for Jesus to pay for our sins. The belief that they hold is that every man must bear and pay for his or her own sins; for Jesus to be punished and responsible for our sins would be unjust in their eyes. Christians believe that man had no ability to atone for his sins. Christians believe that we are hopelessly lost except for the immeasurable gift of God's grace, which is the only means of salvation. "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" (Ephesians 2:8).
Next I will paste a few excerpts from zOaib’s ‘Muslim Christian dialog’ thread:
C. Why have there been in the last decade many discussions held between Christians and Muslims about their beliefs?
M. I think because we both have several things in common. We believe in the One Creator who had sent many Prophets and in Jesus as the Messiah as well as to the Word of God which had been denied by the Jews.
Our Holy Qur’an mentions in Surah 3:45: "[Remember] when the angels said, "O Mary! Verily Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word from him, his name will be Messiah Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and in the hereafter, and of those who are near to Allah."
Dialogues have been held everywhere in Europe, Canada, the USA and Australia. Even the Vatican is not spared where discussions were held between Vatican theologians and Egyptian Muslim scholars in Rome in 1970 and in Cairo in 1974 and 1978. Also between Vatican theologians and Saudi Arabian Muslim scholars in Rome in 1974. Many times in Colombo, not to mention Muslims invited by many churches to present Islam.
C. If all three religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, are claiming to emanate from the One God and same Creator, why do they differ?
M. All Prophets from Adam to Muhammad (PBUT) were sent with the same message: that is, the total submission of mankind to Allah. This submission in Arabic is called is called Islam; Islam means also Peace, peace between the Creator and His creatures. Unlike the names Judaism and Christianity, this name Islam has been given by Allah, the Creator Himself, as mentioned in Surah 5:3: "This day I have perfected your religion for you and completed My favor on you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion." Neither the name Judaism nor Christianity is found in the Bible, not even in a Bible dictionary. No Israelite Prophet mentioned the word Judaism. Jesus never claimed to establish Christianity on earth and never called himself a Christian. The word Christianity is mentioned only three times in the New Testament and first in Antioch."
Later by King Agrippa II to Paul in Acts 26:28: "Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian."
So the name Christian was first given by foes rather than friends. And finally by Peter in his letter to comfort the faithful in I Peter 4:16: "Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed. …"
The first [to be called] Muslim on earth is not Muhammad but Abraham who submitted totally to Allah. But Islam as a way of life had been revealed to other prophets prior to Abraham like Adam and Noah. Then Islam follows as the way of life for all humanity.
Please feel free to add to this discussion.
09-11-2005, 04:40 AM #2
I have one big problem with the christian religon,
Didn't god order a massacre of a city? and tell a father to murder his son?
Their seem to be consistent atrocities & hipocracy's in the bible
Last edited by GQ-Bouncer; 09-11-2005 at 04:43 AM.
09-11-2005, 07:12 AM #3
Islam doesnt belive in Original sin, unlike Christianty. Christians believe all of mankind is held responsible for the sins of Adam and Eve.
But Islam says all mankind is born pure and he is responsible for his or her own sins and not someone else's.
09-11-2005, 07:16 AM #4Originally Posted by GQ-Bouncer
What city? (verse?) Caananites?
and you talking about abraham and isaac??
09-11-2005, 08:09 AM #5
good thread will post some of my thoughts soon INSHALLAH !
09-11-2005, 07:13 PM #6
im leaving today for qingdao on the coast of eastern china. Not sure if ill have internet or not. if not, ill write some when i return on saturday.
09-11-2005, 09:45 PM #7
barra barra to religion!
09-11-2005, 09:46 PM #8
09-12-2005, 10:18 AM #9Originally Posted by GQ-Bouncer
although this is about the bible and not my area of expertise (sp?) ill just have to say one thing , the content of that website is SO HIGHLY uneducated , cause most of those verses actually all of them are being referred to as single sentences with meaning attributed to them and not of what they explain as being part of the context .............. its like the author picked and choose what he wanted to support his bias ...................
ill just answer and refute one of his STUPID accusations regarding GOD lettign adam n eve eat from the tree of knowledge and not guarding it like he did for the tree of life .
answer...... GOD specifically gave adam n eve a WILL (meanign to choose right n wrong) and also specifically told them that satan is their enemy and also specifically told them not to eat from the tree at any cost ..............
question...... i ask that author is "if i were to tell u THY SHALL NOT EAT MY SANDWICH , and u did eat it anyways , WHAT PART OF , THY SHALL NOT EAT MY SANDWICH u didnt UNDERSTAND "
god could have just not created us at all if he were to walk us aroudn by holding our fingers ............. he made us capable of standing on our feet so we could reach up to the tree and pick the fruit ourselves and not have the tree bowing down to us and giving us the damn fruit , hell even feeding it to our lazy asses ................ man is to work for his salvation , its not free , nothign is even in this world ............. only hypocrates r the biggest cry babies , and that author is definately one of them .
max , read that guys article on the bible and tell me what u think , or did i hit the spot on him , lol
09-12-2005, 12:47 PM #10Originally Posted by GQ-Bouncer
Hey Z, you do not need max to slap this guy, anyone who can read or has the ability to cross reference will understand this is hogwash.
09-12-2005, 01:42 PM #11
this is what I like most about islam
Finally, Muslims do not hold to any assurance of salvation. They do not feel that is was even necessary for Jesus to pay for our sins. The belief that they hold is that every man must bear and pay for his or her own sins; for Jesus to be punished and responsible for our sins would be unjust in their eyes.
09-13-2005, 10:12 PM #12Originally Posted by johan
We all fall short of the glory of God. A quick story, An average guy and an olympic distance swimmer are standing on the California coast. They both start swimming towards Hawaii. The first guy after a few hours drowns. The professional swims for days, but alas he drowns as well. My point is no matter how good someone is, I believe, we need the grace of God, the help if you will, to obtain our goal(heaven).
09-14-2005, 03:44 AM #13Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
any god that doesnt judge you based on your actions is a wierd god. A unlogical god. A unfair god.
Hitler beeing allowed into heaven if he just regrets his sins on his deathbeed while Dalai Lama burns in hell. No thanks I wont belive in such a deity.
Actions is the sole judge of character.
09-14-2005, 07:05 AM #14Originally Posted by johan
09-14-2005, 07:14 AM #15Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
what kind of god would grant salvation to a man that has filled his life with evil actions
09-14-2005, 07:22 AM #16Originally Posted by johan
in addition to that if one does not associate any partners with The God , then he is kool !
Last edited by zOaib; 09-14-2005 at 07:27 AM.
09-14-2005, 07:29 AM #17Originally Posted by johan
09-14-2005, 07:33 AM #18
so god would rather forgive a beliving serial killer than grant salvation to a good non beliving man. And you call that forgiving I guess we define forgiving in completely different ways.
09-14-2005, 07:33 AM #19Originally Posted by zOaib
zOaib... Will you explain that last part?(emboldened)?
09-14-2005, 07:35 AM #20Originally Posted by johan
"We all fall short of the glory of God. A quick story, An average guy and an olympic distance swimmer are standing on the California coast. They both start swimming towards Hawaii. The first guy after a few hours drowns. The professional swims for days, but alas he drowns as well. My point is no matter how good someone is, I believe, we need the grace of God, the help if you will, to obtain our goal(heaven)."
09-14-2005, 07:48 AM #21
that analogy makes no sense to me. It still doesnt justify sending hitler to heaven(assuming he truly asked for forgiveness before he died)while dalai lama will burn in hell.
Why would a forgiving god allow that to happen? How can he punish good people and reward bad people. If that is gods nature he is nothing more then a omnipotent version of stalin.
09-14-2005, 07:53 AM #22
in addition to that if one does not associate any partners with The God , then he is kool !
sorry for my slang at the end let me rephrase this
intent of actions and a monotheistic belief in God as the sole helper and cherisher for us and ruler of law given by him will lead us to salvation .
where the meaning of the word "islam" literally means
the surrenderence to the will of God ..........
09-14-2005, 07:57 AM #23Originally Posted by johan
Listen, I never said the dalai lama would burn and 'punish good people'? Well, It could be all are not punished but cannot approach the lord of hosts... maybe there is a purgatory or different levels of exsistance that we as humans consider heaven or hell... Maybe there are layers.
09-14-2005, 08:16 AM #24Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
Isnt that just speculation. Im not good at bibel knowelegde but doesnt jesus say all non belivers will go to hell? Meaning in other words that he doesnt give a rats ass about the character of those men. They can be saints they will still burn. How does that go hand in hand with forgiving and all loving??
This is something no christian has ever been able to explain to me in a satisfying way. How a "forgiving and all loving god" can punish good people to eternal torment simply because they are sceptical.
Im not familiar with the term "atonement"?
If there are different layers then cool. Il rather be in the "upper levels" of hell zipping on a pina colada along with atheist and agnostics than in a heaven with a god that is a hypocrit and liar.
Just to show my point. Lets say you are the dictator of earth and you have to make a chooise. One of these people will be sentanced to life in a concetration camp
First person has a loving family, is a good father, hard working, decent man. Everyone likes him. Never does anything wrong. But he doesnt belive in your supremacy
Second person is a criminal, rapist, murderer. He does however belive in your supremacy and beg for your forgivenes.
Who do you send to the concentration camp?
09-14-2005, 08:57 AM #25Originally Posted by johan
[noun] the act of atoning for sin or wrongdoing (especially appeasing a deity)
[verb] turn away from sin or do penitence
[verb] make amends for; "expiate one's sins"
Definition of Atonement: The death of Christ on the Cross
The Moral-Influence Theory: The Atonement as a Demonstration of God's Love
The Ransom Theory: The Atonement as Victory over the Forces of Sin and Evil
The Satisfaction Theory: The Atonement as Compensation to the Father
A Major Theme in the Scriptures
Old Testament (Sacrificial System)
Necessity of Christ's Death
Holiness of God
Sinfulness of Man
Fulfillment of Scripture: The Effects of Christ's Death
1. In relationship to Men
a. Removal of enmity between God and Man
b. Satan's power over mankind has been changed
c. Curse of the Law is removed
d. The many blessings of God
And lastly... I would not send anyone to a concentration camp.
09-14-2005, 09:29 AM #26Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
"I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."
"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars — their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."
Sorry Johan, no sipping pina colladas with fellow athiests, just a fiery lake of burning sulfer. You're just as good as a murderer or rapist in the eye's of the christian god.
And yes meso, it is all speculation on your part. Your book has already spoken for you in terms of heaven and hell and who goes where. No levels unfortunatly.
09-14-2005, 09:45 AM #27Originally Posted by BeerBaron
09-14-2005, 10:08 AM #28Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
09-14-2005, 10:19 AM #29Originally Posted by BeerBaron
13:1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body [to death] that I may boast, but have not love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
Replace the word God for Love thoughout this chapter for a more personal look at the one whom I have faith, hope, and love.
Last edited by Mesomorphyl; 09-14-2005 at 10:21 AM.
09-14-2005, 10:35 AM #30Originally Posted by MesomorphylOriginally Posted by Mesomorphyl
09-14-2005, 10:40 AM #31Originally Posted by BeerBaron
09-14-2005, 10:44 AM #32Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
09-14-2005, 10:45 AM #33Originally Posted by BeerBaron
09-14-2005, 10:52 AM #34Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
its about as inconceivable as there beeing pink elephants on the backside of the moon, or that santa claus lives below the surface of mars in tunnels. We cant se them. But they might be there.
Why draw conclusion when not having any evidence. I can concieve alot of things but it doesnt mean it exists until I can prove it.
Im sure you can find "predictions" in other old books that you could interpret in wierd ways with todays knoweledge to prove some vauge point.
09-14-2005, 10:58 AM #35Originally Posted by johan
So if you concieved germs, but there was not a way to prove it, you would believe they do not exsist?
09-14-2005, 11:11 AM #36
Even though this thread has moved from the differences of islam and christianity to the topic of Is there a God... I would still like to hear the answer to my question johan or beerbaron.
09-14-2005, 11:20 AM #37
Hello? Are you giving me the silent treatment? I tell you what, both of you get with eachother and prepare for this seemingly very hard question.
09-14-2005, 11:22 AM #38Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
You got it turned backwards. We draw conclusions based on observations.
Not the other way around.
Or if we make a hypotesis first it isnt scientific unless its falsifiable. So if I where to say "there are tiny microscopis things crawling on my skin" it would be scientific and falsifiable because it can be checked by a microscope.
How do you propose we try to falsifie your god hypothesis?
If I say there are germs and there is no way to falsify it then that statement is meaningless. Just as meaningless as saying outside of the universe there is killer leprechauns.
09-14-2005, 11:23 AM #39Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
09-14-2005, 11:47 AM #40Originally Posted by johan
Next, scientific and falsifiable 2000 years ago could not be checked by a microscope... But germs still existed then, right? But if you would have told someone that wanted proof, that person would not believe germs exist because they could not see them... So did germs exist before drawing conclution based on observations?
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