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    17,000] two-thirds with advanced academic degrees global wam hoax

    FAIRFAX, VIRGINIA, APRIL 21, 1998---More than 15,000 scientists, [8/4/98: now about 17,000] two-thirds with advanced academic degrees, have now signed a Petition against the climate accord concluded in Kyoto (Japan) in December 1997. The Petition (see text below) urges the US government to reject the Accord, which would force drastic cuts in energy use on the United States. This is in line with the Senate Resolution, approved by a 95-to-0 vote last July, which turns down any international agreement that damages the economy of the United States while exempting most of the world's nations, including such major emerging economic powers as China, India, and Brazil.

    In signing the Petition within a period of less than six weeks, the 15,000 basic and applied scientists -- an unprecedented number for this kind of document -- also expressed their profound skepticism about the science underlying the Kyoto Accord. The atmospheric data simply do not support the elaborate computer-driven climate models that are being cited by the United Nations and other promoters of the Accord as "proof" of a major future warming. The covering letter enclosed with the Petition, signed by Dr. Frederick Seitz, president emeritus of Rockefeller University and a past president of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, states it well:

    "The treaty is, in our opinion, based upon flawed ideas. Research data on climate change do not show that human use of hydrocarbons is harmful. To the contrary, there is good evidence that increased atmospheric carbon dioxide is environmentally helpful."

    This freely expressed vote against the warming scare propaganda should be contrasted with the claimed "consensus of 2500 climate scientists" about global warming. This facile and oft-quoted assertion by the White House is a complete fabrication. The contributors and reviewers of the 1996 report by the

    UN-sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) actually number less than 2000, and only a small fraction -- who were never polled -- can claim to be climate scientists. Many of those are known to be critical of the IPCC report and have now become signers of the Petition.

    "The 'silent majority' of the scientific community has at last spoken out against the hype emanating from politicians and much of the media about a 'warming catastrophe.' The Petition reflects the frustration and disgust felt by working scientists, few of whom have been previously involved in the ongoing climate debate, about the misuse of science to promote a political agenda," said Dr. Seitz.

    Dr. S. Fred Singer, president of The Science & Environmental Policy Project (SEPP) and author of Hot Talk, Cold Science: Global Warming's Unfinished Debate, explained: "Scientists are understandably upset when they see $2 billion per year devoted to research on climate change, much it irrelevant and concerned only with imaginary consequences of a hypothetical warming -- while other fields of science are starved. They are also appalled and angry that an increasing fraction of this research money is diverted into "community workshops," thinly disguised brainwashing exercises to create public fears about climate catastrophes."

    The Petition drive was organized by Dr. Arthur Robinson, director of the Oregon Institute for Science and Medicine (Cave Junction, OR) and a vocal critic of the shaky science used to support the Kyoto Accord. It was staffed by volunteers and supported entirely by private donations, with no contributions from industry. The Petition mailing included a scientific summary, an editorial essay by Arthur and Zachary Robinson published in the Wall Street Journal (Dec. 4, 1997), and the covering letter by Dr. Seitz, holder of the National Medal of Science and board chairman of the George C. Marshall Institute (Washington, DC) and also of the Science & Environmental Policy Project (Fairfax, VA).

    It was Dr. Seitz' essay in the Wall Street Journal (A Major Deception on "Global Warming", June 12, 1996), which first drew public attention to the textual "cleansing" of the UN scientific report that forms the basis for the Kyoto Accord. For details on the unannounced text changes and how they affected the sense of the IPCC report, consult .

    The full text of the Petition follows.

    "We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan, in December 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

    There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."

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    Quote Originally Posted by books555
    FAIRFAX, VIRGINIA, APRIL 21, 1998---More than 15,000 scientists, [8/4/98: now about 17,000] two-thirds with advanced academic degrees, have now signed a Petition against the climate accord concluded in Kyoto (Japan) in December 1997.
    And just how many of those scientists have expertise in the subject matter? How many of them are in sciences like medicine, semiconductors, archeology, or other unrelated endeavors?

    I'm not taking either side in this global warming stuff, as I don't really know what the science says. But I understand that there are people out there who don't want to change the status quo on energy use for their own $$$ and political reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by books555
    The Petition drive was organized by Dr. Arthur Robinson, director of the Oregon Institute for Science and Medicine (Cave Junction, OR) and a vocal critic of the shaky science used to support the Kyoto Accord. ."
    Check out this organization's website:
    http://www.oism.org/


    Research and Development

    The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine is a small research institute founded in 1980 to conduct basic and applied research in subjects immediately applicable to im*provements in human life — including biochemistry, diagnos*tic medicine, nutrition, preventive medicine, and aging.
    The Institute is supported by donations and the inde*pendent earnings of its faculty and volunteers. It does not solicit or accept tax-financed government funds.

    The Institute has six faculty members, several volunteers who work actively on its projects, and a large number of volunteers who help occasionally. It owns a 10,000 square foot building located in a rural setting about 7 miles from the town of Cave Junction in southern Oregon. This building includes a 5,000 square foot laboratory and library used for the Institute's research and educational work. This facility and a good complement of research equipment are the Institute's principal physical assets. The Institute has no debts and a policy of incurring none.

    At present, work is proceeding on several specific pro*jects including the role of protein amides as molecular timers of protein turnover, development, and aging; the use of urine and blood profiling for predictive and preventive medicine; and the development of comprehensive materials for use in home school education.

    The Institute is classified by the IRS as a 501(c)3 public foundation, so all donations are tax deductible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by books555
    The covering letter enclosed with the Petition, signed by Dr. Frederick Seitz, president emeritus of Rockefeller University and a past president of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, states it well:

    "The treaty is, in our opinion, based upon flawed ideas. Research data on climate change do not show that human use of hydrocarbons is harmful. To the contrary, there is good evidence that increased atmospheric carbon dioxide is environmentally helpful."

    Well well well . . . as usual, there's more to Book's sources than what meets the eye . . .

    . . . check out this curious little website:
    http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/per...sheet.php?id=6

    Chairman, Science and Environmental Policy Project.
    Chairman Emeritus, George Marshall Institute. President Emeritus, Rockefeller University. Board Member, Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow. Former Science Advisory Board, The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition.

    A June 2000 Business Week article referred to physicist Frederick Seitz as "the granddaddy of global-warming skeptics". Seitz was once a director and shareholder of a company that operated coal-fired power plants.

    Dr. Seitz is a former President of the National Academy of Sciences, but the Academy disassociated itself from Seitz in 1998 when Seitz headed up a report designed to look like an NAS journal article saying that carbon dioxide poses no threat to climate. The report, which was supposedly signed by 15,000 scientists, advocated the abandonment of the Kyoto Protocol. The NAS went to unusual lengths to publically distance itself from Seitz' article. Seitz signed the 1995 Leipzig Declaration.

    Seitz is a recipient of the National Medal of Science. "In 1983 he reeived the Fourth Vannevar Bush Award presented by the National Science Board of the National Science Foundation and the R. Loveland Memorial Award of the American College of Physicians. Dr. Seitz is currently a member of the New York City Commission for Science and Technology and has served as chair of the United States delegation to the U.N. Committee on Science and Technology for Development." (Seitz biography)

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    . . . and check out this website about something called the Leipzig Declaration:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leipzig_Declaration

    The Leipzig Declaration on Global Climate Change is a statement signed by 80 academics and 25 meteorologists, repudiating the oft-repeated claim that there is a scientific consensus on the global warming issue.



    However, according to
    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...Climate_Change

    "When journalist David Olinger of the St. Petersburg Times investigated the Leipzig Declaration, however, he discovered that most of its signers have not dealt with climate issues at all and none of them is an acknowledged leading expert. Twenty-five of the signers were TV weathermen - a profession that requires no in-depth knowledge of climate research. Some did not even have a college degree, such as Dick Groeber of Dick's Weather Service in Springfield, Ohio. Did Groeber regard himself as a scientist? "I sort of consider myself so," he said when asked. "I had two or three years of college training in the scientific area, and 30 or 40 years of self-study." Other signers included a dentist, a medical laboratory researcher, a civil engineer, and an amateur meteorologist. Some were not even found to reside at the addresses they had given.

    A journalist with the Danish Broadcasting Company attempted to contact the declaration's 33 European signers and found that four of them could not be located, 12 denied ever having signed, and some had not even heard of the Leipzig Declaration. Those who did admit signing included a medical doctor, a nuclear scientist, and an expert on flying insects. After discounting the signers whose credentials were inflated, irrelevant, false, or unverifiable, it turned out that only 20 of the names on the list had any scientific connection with the study of climate change, and some of those names were known to have obtained grants from the oil and fuel industry, including the German coal industry and the government of Kuwait (a major oil exporter).[2] (http://naturalscience.com/ns/letters/ns_let08.html) "
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    Quote Originally Posted by books555
    Dr. S. Fred Singer, president of The Science & Environmental Policy Project (SEPP) and author of Hot Talk, Cold Science: Global Warming's Unfinished Debate, explained: "Scientists are understandably upset when they see $2 billion per year devoted to research on climate change, much it irrelevant and concerned only with imaginary consequences of a hypothetical warming -- while other fields of science are starved. They are also appalled and angry that an increasing fraction of this research money is diverted into "community workshops," thinly disguised brainwashing exercises to create public fears about climate catastrophes."

    Check it out -- this "Science & Environmental Policy Project" is an organization with the selfsame Frederick Seitz, the guy responsible for the Leipzig Declaration with bogus "scientific" signers, as its board chairman. Oy vey. This guy really gets around . . .

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science...Policy_Project
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
    The Science & Environmental Policy Project (SEPP) is a non-profit group in the United States founded in 1990 by atmospheric physicist S. Fred Singer [1]. The chair of SEPP's board of directors is university president emeritus Frederick Seitz, formerly president of the National Academy of Sciences. [2] Of SEPP's board of directors and advisers, three are also on the board of the George C. Marshall Institute. Three of the science advisors listed on its web site (William Mitchell, William Nierenberg and Michael J. Higatsberger) are deceased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    And just how many of those scientists have expertise in the subject matter? How many of them are in sciences like medicine, semiconductors, archeology, or other unrelated endeavors?

    I'm not taking either side in this global warming stuff, as I don't really know what the science says. But I understand that there are people out there who don't want to change the status quo on energy use for their own $$$ and political reasons.

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    Tock read the article. It will tell you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    Check out this organization's website:
    http://www.oism.org/


    Research and Development

    The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine is a small research institute founded in 1980 to conduct basic and applied research in subjects immediately applicable to im*provements in human life — including biochemistry, diagnos*tic medicine, nutrition, preventive medicine, and aging.
    The Institute is supported by donations and the inde*pendent earnings of its faculty and volunteers. It does not solicit or accept tax-financed government funds.

    The Institute has six faculty members, several volunteers who work actively on its projects, and a large number of volunteers who help occasionally. It owns a 10,000 square foot building located in a rural setting about 7 miles from the town of Cave Junction in southern Oregon. This building includes a 5,000 square foot laboratory and library used for the Institute's research and educational work. This facility and a good complement of research equipment are the Institute's principal physical assets. The Institute has no debts and a policy of incurring none.

    At present, work is proceeding on several specific pro*jects including the role of protein amides as molecular timers of protein turnover, development, and aging; the use of urine and blood profiling for predictive and preventive medicine; and the development of comprehensive materials for use in home school education.

    The Institute is classified by the IRS as a 501(c)3 public foundation, so all donations are tax deductible.



    Well at least they have six scientists living in trees in oregon watching the temperature.

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    First off.


    Dr. Frederick Seitz was born in San Francisco on July 4, 1911.

    Education:

    1932 Bachelor's degree from Stanford University (mathematics)
    1934 Ph.D. from Princeton University (physics)
    Former Postions:

    1946-1947 director of the training program on peaceful uses of atomic energy at Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL)
    1949-1968 professor of physics at the University of Illinois
    1957-1964 department head at the University of Illinois
    1964-1965 Graduate College dean at the University of Illinois
    1962-1969 president of the National Academy of Sciences
    1968-1978 president of Rockefeller University
    Frederick Seitz was one of the scientists that signed in 1995 the Leipzig Declaration on Global Climate Change.

    Current Positions:

    chairman of Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP)
    member of the Risk Policy Center [1]
    Council member of the Environmental Literacy Council
    member of the National Advisory Board of Accuracy in Media
    member of the Board of Directors and Chairman Emeritus of the George C. Marshall Institute
    President Emeritus of Rockefeller University
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    Frederick Seitz ,"Modern Theory of Solids", McGraw-Hill, NY, 1940, (reprint Dover Publications, 1987: ISBN 0486654826)
    W. Thüne, F. Singer, F. Seitz, Helmut Metzner, "Treibhaus-Kontroverse und Ozon-Problem : Symposium der Europäischen Akademie für Umweltfragen Leipzig 9.-10. November 1995", Böttiger, 1996, ISBN 3925725296
    S. Fred Singer, Frederick Seitz , "Hot Talk Cold Science: Global Warming's Unfinished Debate", The Independent Institute, December 1, 1998, ISBN 094599978X
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    Well well well . . . as usual, there's more to Book's sources than what meets the eye . . .

    . . . check out this curious little website:
    http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/per...sheet.php?id=6

    Chairman, Science and Environmental Policy Project.
    Chairman Emeritus, George Marshall Institute. President Emeritus, Rockefeller University. Board Member, Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow. Former Science Advisory Board, The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition.

    A June 2000 Business Week article referred to physicist Frederick Seitz as "the granddaddy of global-warming skeptics". Seitz was once a director and shareholder of a company that operated coal-fired power plants.

    Dr. Seitz is a former President of the National Academy of Sciences, but the Academy disassociated itself from Seitz in 1998 when Seitz headed up a report designed to look like an NAS journal article saying that carbon dioxide poses no threat to climate. The report, which was supposedly signed by 15,000 scientists, advocated the abandonment of the Kyoto Protocol. The NAS went to unusual lengths to publically distance itself from Seitz' article. Seitz signed the 1995 Leipzig Declaration.

    Seitz is a recipient of the National Medal of Science. "In 1983 he reeived the Fourth Vannevar Bush Award presented by the National Science Board of the National Science Foundation and the R. Loveland Memorial Award of the American College of Physicians. Dr. Seitz is currently a member of the New York City Commission for Science and Technology and has served as chair of the United States delegation to the U.N. Committee on Science and Technology for Development." (Seitz biography)

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    . . . and check out this website about something called the Leipzig Declaration:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leipzig_Declaration

    The Leipzig Declaration on Global Climate Change is a statement signed by 80 academics and 25 meteorologists, repudiating the oft-repeated claim that there is a scientific consensus on the global warming issue.



    However, according to
    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...Climate_Change

    "When journalist David Olinger of the St. Petersburg Times investigated the Leipzig Declaration, however, he discovered that most of its signers have not dealt with climate issues at all and none of them is an acknowledged leading expert. Twenty-five of the signers were TV weathermen - a profession that requires no in-depth knowledge of climate research. Some did not even have a college degree, such as Dick Groeber of Dick's Weather Service in Springfield, Ohio. Did Groeber regard himself as a scientist? "I sort of consider myself so," he said when asked. "I had two or three years of college training in the scientific area, and 30 or 40 years of self-study." Other signers included a dentist, a medical laboratory researcher, a civil engineer, and an amateur meteorologist. Some were not even found to reside at the addresses they had given.

    A journalist with the Danish Broadcasting Company attempted to contact the declaration's 33 European signers and found that four of them could not be located, 12 denied ever having signed, and some had not even heard of the Leipzig Declaration. Those who did admit signing included a medical doctor, a nuclear scientist, and an expert on flying insects. After discounting the signers whose credentials were inflated, irrelevant, false, or unverifiable, it turned out that only 20 of the names on the list had any scientific connection with the study of climate change, and some of those names were known to have obtained grants from the oil and fuel industry, including the German coal industry and the government of Kuwait (a major oil exporter).[2] (http://naturalscience.com/ns/letters/ns_let08.html) "


    Well well well there is more to Tock info than meets the eye.

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    "One must dig carefully through [the National Academy of Sciences report "Climate Change Science"] to discover that water vapor and cloud droplets are in fact the dominant cause of greenhouse warming. We are not told, however, what fraction of the greenhouse effect is due to water vapor and clouds. Nor are we told that carbon dioxide is a minor greenhouse gas - one that accounts for less than ten percent of the greenhouse effect - whose ability to absorb heat is quite limited. Adding more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere only increases greenhouse warming very slowly. Similarly, decreasing the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere only decreases greenhouse warming very slowly." -National Policy Analysis #349: Climate Change Science?: National Academy of Sciences Global Warming Report Fails to Live Up to Its Billing, by Gerald Marsh

    "Carbon dioxide is a minor greenhouse gas that occurs naturally in the atmosphere and helps to maintain the earth at a temperature suitable for life. Carbon dioxide is essential to the growth of all plants. Without it, plants could not grow and all animal life would consequently die. In no way is this gas a pollutant. To call it one is badly misleading. The principal greenhouse gas is water vapor." National Policy Analysis #458: Nonsense By Any Other Name: Calling Carbon Dioxide A Pollutant Doesn't Make It A Pollutant, by Gerald Marsh

    "Approximately 5 million different parameters have to be followed for a computer mock-up of the climate system to be accurate. All their important interactions and impacts must be known, but they are not. Furthermore, a full mock-up, covering all the spatial scales and generating a 40-year forecast of climate change, would take more than 10 to the power of 34 years of supercomputing. In other words, an incredibly long wait and a near-impossible computational task." - National Policy Analysis #417, Climate Change and California Assembly Bill 1058: Is it Hype? by Dr. Willie Soon

    "The vast majority of American scientists who specialize in climate studies - including such giants as S. Fred Singer, former head of the U.S. Weather Service's satellite operations; Frederick Seitz, past president of the National Academy of Sciences; and the University of Virginia's Patrick Michaels - believe the [global warming] fear-mongers are wrong. The U.N. Panel on Climate Change, often cited by environmentalists, bases its projections on worst-case scenarios from two flawed computer models, each of which significantly contradicts the other when it comes to impact of global warming on specific geographical areas." - National Policy Analysis #446, McCain and Lieberman Join the Ranks of Ecoactivists With New Legislation on Global Warming, by Amy Ridenour

    "Contrary to the conventional wisdom and the predictions of computer models, the Earth's climate has not warmed appreciably in the past two decades, and probably not since about 1940. The evidence is overwhelming." -Testimony of Dr. S. Fred Singer, President, The Science & Environmental Policy Project, before the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation on Climate Change, July 18, 2000

    "Dr. Craig Idso of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, one of the nation's leading carbon dioxide research centers, examined records of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations and air temperature over the last 250,000 years. There were three dramatic episodes of global warming that occurred at the end of the last three ice ages. Interestingly, temperatures started to rise during those warming periods well before the atmospheric carbon dioxide started to increase. In fact, the carbon dioxide levels did not begin to rise until 400 to 1,000 years after the planet began to warm. Concludes Dr. Idso, 'Clearly, there is no way that these real-world observations can be construed to even hint at the possibility that a significant increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide will necessarily lead to any global warming.'" - National Policy Analysis #334, Carbon Dioxide is Good for the Environment by John Carlisle

    FOR MORE INFORMATION:

    National Policy Analysis #349: Climate Change Science? National Academy of Sciences Global Warming Report Fails to Live Up to Its Billing, by Gerald Marsh, available at http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA349.html

    National Policy Analysis #458: Nonsense By Any Other Name: Calling Carbon Dioxide A Pollutant Doesn't Make It A Pollutant, by Gerald Marsh at http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA458.html

    National Policy Analysis #417, Climate Change and California Assembly Bill 1058: Is it Hype? by Dr. Willie Soon at http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA417.html

    National Policy Analysis #446, McCain and Lieberman Join the Ranks of Ecoactivists With New Legislation on Global Warming, by Amy Ridenour at http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA446.html

    Testimony of Dr. S. Fred Singer, President, The Science & Environmental Policy Project, before the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation on Climate Change, July 18, 2000 at http://www.nationalcenter.org/KyotoS...imony2000.html

    National Policy Analysis #334, Carbon Dioxide is Good for the Environment by John Carlisle at http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA334.html

    Questions and Answers on Global Warming at http://www.nationalcenter.org/KyotoQ...nsAnswers.html

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    Tock the evidence is overwhelming. Here are just a few of the scientists who reject Global Warming



    Dr. John Apel, oceanographer, Global Oceans Associates, formerly with Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory.
    Dr. David Aubrey, Senior Scientist, Marine Policy Center, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, Massachusetts
    Dr. Duwayne M. Anderson,Professor, Texas A&M University
    Dr. Robert Balling, Professor and Director of the Office of Climatology, Arizona State University; more than 80 research articles published in scientific journals; author of The Heated Debate: Greenhouse Predictions vs. Climate Reality (1992); coauthor, Interactions of Desertifications and Climate, a report for the UN Environmental Program and the World Meteorological Organization; contributor/reviewer, IPCC.
    Dr. Jack Barrett, Imperial College, London, UK
    Dr. Warren Berning, atmospheric physicist, New Mexico State University
    Dr. Jiri Blumel, Institute Sozialokon. Forschg. Usti nad Labem, Czech Republic
    Bruce Boe, atmospheric scientist and Director of the North Dakota Atmospheric Resources Board; member, American Meteorological Society; former chairman, AMS Committee on Planned and Inadvertent Weather Modification.
    Dr. C.J.F. Böttcher, Chairman of the Board, The Global Institute for the Study of Natural Resources, The Hague, The Netherlands; Professor Emeritus of physical chemistry, Leiden University; past President of the Science Policy Council of The Netherlands; former member, Scientific Council for Government Policy; former head of the Netherlands Delegation to the OECD Committee for Science and Technology; author, The Science and Fiction of the Greenhouse Effect and Carbon Dioxide; founding member of The Club of Rome.
    Dr. Arthur Bourne, Professor, University of London, UK
    Larry H. Brace, physicist, former director of the Planetary Atmospheres Branch, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center; recipient NASA Medal for Exceptional Scientific Achievement.
    Dr. Norman M.D. Brown, FRSC, Professor, University of Ulster.
    Dr. R.A.D. Byron-Scott, meteorologist, formerly senior lecturer in meteorology, Flinders Institute for Atmospheric and Marine Science, Flinders University, Adelaide, Australia
    Dr. Joseph Cain, Professor of planetary physics and geophysics, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Institute, Florida State University; elected Fellow, American Geophysical Union; formerly with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center (scientific satellites) and the U.S. Geological Survey.
    Dr. Gabriel T. Csanady, meteorologist, Eminent Professor, Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Virginia.
    Robert Cunningham, consulting meteorologist, Fellow, American Meteorological Society
    Dr. Fred W. Decker, Professor of meteorology, Oregon State University, Corvalis, Oregon; elected Fellow, AAAS; member, RMS, NWA, AWA, AMS.
    Lee W. Eddington, meteorologist, Naval Air Warfare Center
    Dr. Hugh Ellsaesser, atmospheric scientist, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (1963-1986); Participating Guest Scientist, Lawrence Livermore Natl. Lab. (1986-1996), more than 40 refereed research papers and major reports in the scientific literature.
    Dr. John Emsley, Imperial College, London, UK
    Dr. Otto Franzle, Professor, University of Kiel, Germany
    Dr. C.R. de Freitas, climate scientist, University of Auckland, New Zealand, Editor of the international journal Climate Research
    Dr. John E. Gaynor, Senior Meteorologist, Environmental Technology Laboratory, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Boulder, Colorado
    Dr. Tor Ragnar Gerholm, Professor Emeritus of Physics, University of Stockholm, member of Nobel Prize selection committee for physics; member, Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences and Royal Swedish Academy of Engineering Sciences, author of several books on science and technology.
    Dr. Gerhard Gerlich, Professor, Technical University of Braunschweig.
    Dr. Thomas Gold, Professor of astrophysics, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York
    Dr. H.G. Goodell, Professor, University of Virginia, Charlottesville
    James D. Goodridge, climatologist, formerly with California Dept. of Water Resources.
    Dr. Adrian Gordon, meteorologist, University of South Australia.
    Prof. Dr. Eckhard Grimmel, Professor, University Hamburg, Germany.
    Dr. Nathaniel B. Guttman, Research Physical Scientist, National Climatic Data Center, Asheville, North Carolina; former Professor of atmospheric sciences/climatology; former Chairman, AMS Committee on Applied Climatology.
    Dr. Paul Handler, Professor of chemistry, University of Illinois.
    Dr. Vern Harnapp, Professor, University of Akron, Ohio
    Dr. Howard C. Hayden, Professor of physics, University of Connecticut
    Dr. Michael J. Higatsberger, Professor and former Director, Institute for Experimental Physics, University of Vienna, Austria; former Director, Seibersdorf Research Center of the Austrian Atomic Energy Agency; former President, Austrian Physical Society.
    Dr. Austin W. Hogan, meteorologist, co-editor of the journal Atmospheric Research.
    Dr. William Hubbard, Professor, University of Arizona, Dept. of Planetary Sciences; elected Fellow of the American Geophysical Union.
    Dr. Heinz Hug, lecturer, Wiesbaden, Germany
    Dr. Zbigniew Jaworski, University of Warsaw, Poland
    Dr. Kelvin Kemm, nuclear physicist, Director, Technology Strategy Consultants, Pretoria, South Africa; columnist, Engineering News; author, Techtrack: A Winding Path of South African Development.
    Dr. Robert L. Kovach, Professor of geophysics, Stanford University, Palo Alto, California
    Dr. David R. Legates, Professor of meteorology, University of Oklahoma
    Dr. Heinz H. Lettau, geophysicist, Increase A. Lapham Professor Emeritus, University of Wisconsin
    Dr. Henry R. Linden, Max McGraw Professor of Energy and Power Engineering and Management, Director, Energy and Power Center, Illinois Institute of Technology; elected Fellow, American Institute of Chemical Engineers; former member, Energy Engineering Board of the National Research Council; member, Green Technology Committee, National Academy of Engineering.
    Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Sloane Professor of Meteorology, Center for Meteorology and Physical Meteorology, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, Massachusetts.
    Dr. J. P. Lodge, atmospheric chemist, Boulder, Colorado
    Dr. Anthony R. Lupo, atmospheric scientist, Professor, University of Missouri at Columbia, reviewer/contributing author, IPCC.
    Dr. George E. McVehil, meteorologist, Englewood, Colorado
    Dr. Helmut Metzner, Professor, Tubingen, Germany
    Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, Professor and Director of the State Office of Climatology, University of Virginia; more than 50 research articles published in scientific journals; past President, American Association of State Climatologists; author, Sound and Fury: The Science and Politics of Global Warming (1992); reviewer/contributing author, IPCC.
    Sir William Mitchell, physicist, University of Oxford, U.K.
    Dr. Asmunn Moene, former chief of Meteorology, Oslo, Norway.
    Laim Nagle, energy/engineering specialist, Cornfield University, UK
    Robert A. Neff, former U.S. Air Force meteorologist: member, AMS, AAAS.
    Dr. William A. Nierenberg, Director Emeritus, Scripps Institute of Oceanography, La Jolla, California; Professor Emeritus of oceanography, University of California at San Diego; former member, Council of the U.S. National Academy of Science; former Chairman, National Research Council's Carbon Dioxide Assessment Committee; former member, U.S. EPA Global Climate Change Committee; former Assistant Secretary General of NATO for scientific affairs; former Chairman, National Advisory Committee on Oceans and Atmospheres.
    Dr. William Porch, atmospheric physicist, Los Alamos National Laboratory, New Mexico.
    Dr. Harry Priem, Professor of geology, University of Utrecht
    Dr. William E. Reifsnyder, Professor Emeritus of biometeorology, Yale University; elected Fellow, American Association for the Advancement of Science; former Chairman, National Academy of Science/National Research Council Committee on Climatology; AMS Award for Outstanding Achievement in Biometeorology.
    Dr. Alexander Robertson, meteorologist, Adjunct Professor, Memorial University of Newfoundland, Canada; author of more than 200 scientific and technical publications in biometeorology and climatology, forestry, forest ecology, urban environmental forestry, and engineering technology.
    Dr. Thomas Schmidlin, CCM, Professor of meteorology/climatology, Kent State University, Ohio; editor, Ohio Journal of Science, elected Fellow, Ohio Academy of Science; member, AMS.
    Dr. Frederick Seitz, physicist, former President, Rockefeller University, former President, U.S. National Academy of Sciences; former member, President's Science Advisory Committee; recipient, U.S. National Medal of Science.
    Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Executive Director, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study and the Cooperative Institute for Research in the Integrated Ocean Sciences; contributed to the initial development of the Climate Change Program of the National Oceanic And Atmospheric Administration; investigated climate-related resource variabilities, sustainable development, and basic environmental climatology for the UN, World Bank, and USAID.
    Dr. S. Fred Singer, atmospheric physicist; President, The Science & Environmental Policy Project; former Director, U.S. Weather Satellite Service; Professor Emeritus of environmental science, University of Virginia; former Chairman, federal panel investigating effects of the SST on stratospheric ozone; author or editor of 16 books, including Global Climate Change (1989) and Hot Talk, Cold Science: Global Warming's Unfinished Debate (1997).
    Dr. A. F. Smith, chemical engineer (ret.), Jacksonville, Florida
    Dr. Fred J. Starheim, Professor, Kent State University
    Dr. Chauncey Starr, President Emeritus, Electric Power Research Institute, winner 1992 National Medal of Engineering
    Dr. Robert E. Stevenson, Secretary General Emeritus, International Association for the Physical Sciences of the Oceans, and a leading world authority on space oceanography; more than 100 research articles published in scientific journals; author of seven books; advisor to NASA, NATO, U.S. National Academy of Science, and the European Geophysical Society.
    Dr. George Stroke, Professor, Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Munich, Germany
    Dr. Heinz Sundermann, University of Vienna, Austria
    Dr. George H. Sutton, Professor Emeritus, University of Hawaii
    Dr. Arlen Super, meteorologist, U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, Lakewood, Colorado
    Dr. Vladimir Svidersky, Professor, Sechenoc Institute, Moscow, Russia
    Dr. M. Talwani, geophysicist, Rice University, Houston, Texas.
    Dr. W. F. Tanner, Professor, Florida State University
    Peter Arnold Toynbee, chemical engineer, F. Institute of Energy, London, England.
    Dr. Christiaan Van Sumere, Professor, University of Gent, Belgium
    Dr. Robin Vaugh, physicist, University of Dundee, UK
    Dr. Robert C. Wentworth, geophysicist, Oakland, California, formerly with Lochheed Reseach Laboratory.
    Dr. Robert C. Whitten, physicist, formerly with NASA.
    Dr. Klaus Wyrtki, Professor Emeritus, University of Hawaii Sea Level Center

    TELEVISION NEWS METEOROLOGISTS
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    Elliot Abrams, meteorologist, Senior Vice President, Accuweather, Inc.
    Richard Apuzzo, meteorologist, WXIX-TV (FOX), Cincinnati, Ohio; member, AMS, NWA, SKYWARN; recipient of "Best Weathercast" awards from Associated Press and United Press International.
    Andre Bernier, meteorologist, WJW-TV (FOX), Cleveland, Ohio
    Sallie Bernier, meteorologist, WJW-TV (FOX), Cleveland, Ohio
    Bob Breck, meteorologist, WVUE-TV (ABC), New Orleans, Louisiana
    Matthew Bye, meteorologist, KPIX-TV (CBS) San Francisco, California
    A.J. Colby, meteorologist, WICU-TV (NBC), Erie, Pennsylvania
    Dr. Neil L. Frank, meteorologist, HOU-TV (CBS), Houston, Texas, former Director, National Hurricane Center.
    Dick Gance, meteorologist, Weather Forecasting, Inc., Concord, Ohio
    Dick Goddard, meteorologist, WJW-TV (FOX), Cleveland, Ohio
    Shane Hollett, meteorologist, WJW-TV (FOX), Cleveland, Ohio
    Mark Johnson, meteorologist, WEWS-TV (ABC), Cleveland, Ohio
    Roy Leep, meteorologist, WTVT-TV (CBS), recently retired; Director, Gillette Weather Data Services, Tampa, Florida; elected Fellow, American Meteorological Society; former member, AMS Executive Council; among the group of TV meteorologists invited to the White House for a briefing on global warming.
    Mark Koontz, meteorologist, WJW-TV (FOX), Cleveland, Ohio
    Jon Loufman, meteorologist, WKYC-TV (NBC), Cleveland, Ohio
    Dan Maly, meteorologist, WOIO-TV (FOX), Cleveland, Ohio
    Ryan McPike, atmospheric scientist, WICU-TV (NBC), Erie, Pennsylvania
    James T. Moore, meteorologist, KSWO-TV (ABC) Lawton, Oklahoma
    Scott R. Sabol, meteorologist, WBOY-TV (NBC), Clarksburg, West Virginia
    Dr. Joseph Sobel, meteorologist, Pennsylvania Public Television Network; Senior Vice President, Accu-Weather, Inc., State College, Pennsylvania; co-author, Changing Weather: Facts and Fallacies About Climate Change and Weather Extremes.
    Brad Sussman, meteorologist, WEWS-TV (ABC), Cleveland, Ohio, AMS, NWA, Broadcast Seal Committee Chair NWA.
    Brian Sussman, meteorologist, KPIX-TV (CBS) San Francisco, California; member, American Meteorological Society (served on AMS Education Committee), 12-time recipient of the "Best Weathercast" award from the Radio and Television News Directors Association and Associated Press.
    Anthony Watts, meteorologist, KHSL-TV (CBS), Chico, California
    Don Webster, meteorologist, WEWS-TV 9 (ABC), Cleveland, Ohio
    Brian Westfall, meteorologist, Weather Forecasting, Inc., Akron, Ohio



    Tock I can go on and on. The evidence is severely lacking. Why arnt these men being heard, along with thousands more. tsk tsk Tick Tock. There is more to the story than meets the eye.

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    Tock the evidence is overwhelming. Here are just a few of the scientists who reject Global Warming



    Dr. John Apel, oceanographer, Global Oceans Associates, formerly with Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory.
    Dr. David Aubrey, Senior Scientist, Marine Policy Center, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, Massachusetts
    Dr. Duwayne M. Anderson,Professor, Texas A&M University
    Dr. Robert Balling, Professor and Director of the Office of Climatology, Arizona State University; more than 80 research articles published in scientific journals; author of The Heated Debate: Greenhouse Predictions vs. Climate Reality (1992); coauthor, Interactions of Desertifications and Climate, a report for the UN Environmental Program and the World Meteorological Organization; contributor/reviewer, IPCC.
    Dr. Jack Barrett, Imperial College, London, UK
    Dr. Warren Berning, atmospheric physicist, New Mexico State University
    Dr. Jiri Blumel, Institute Sozialokon. Forschg. Usti nad Labem, Czech Republic
    Bruce Boe, atmospheric scientist and Director of the North Dakota Atmospheric Resources Board; member, American Meteorological Society; former chairman, AMS Committee on Planned and Inadvertent Weather Modification.
    Dr. C.J.F. Böttcher, Chairman of the Board, The Global Institute for the Study of Natural Resources, The Hague, The Netherlands; Professor Emeritus of physical chemistry, Leiden University; past President of the Science Policy Council of The Netherlands; former member, Scientific Council for Government Policy; former head of the Netherlands Delegation to the OECD Committee for Science and Technology; author, The Science and Fiction of the Greenhouse Effect and Carbon Dioxide; founding member of The Club of Rome.
    Dr. Arthur Bourne, Professor, University of London, UK
    Larry H. Brace, physicist, former director of the Planetary Atmospheres Branch, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center; recipient NASA Medal for Exceptional Scientific Achievement.
    Dr. Norman M.D. Brown, FRSC, Professor, University of Ulster.
    Dr. R.A.D. Byron-Scott, meteorologist, formerly senior lecturer in meteorology, Flinders Institute for Atmospheric and Marine Science, Flinders University, Adelaide, Australia
    Dr. Joseph Cain, Professor of planetary physics and geophysics, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Institute, Florida State University; elected Fellow, American Geophysical Union; formerly with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center (scientific satellites) and the U.S. Geological Survey.
    Dr. Gabriel T. Csanady, meteorologist, Eminent Professor, Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Virginia.
    Robert Cunningham, consulting meteorologist, Fellow, American Meteorological Society
    Dr. Fred W. Decker, Professor of meteorology, Oregon State University, Corvalis, Oregon; elected Fellow, AAAS; member, RMS, NWA, AWA, AMS.
    Lee W. Eddington, meteorologist, Naval Air Warfare Center
    Dr. Hugh Ellsaesser, atmospheric scientist, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (1963-1986); Participating Guest Scientist, Lawrence Livermore Natl. Lab. (1986-1996), more than 40 refereed research papers and major reports in the scientific literature.
    Dr. John Emsley, Imperial College, London, UK
    Dr. Otto Franzle, Professor, University of Kiel, Germany
    Dr. C.R. de Freitas, climate scientist, University of Auckland, New Zealand, Editor of the international journal Climate Research
    Dr. John E. Gaynor, Senior Meteorologist, Environmental Technology Laboratory, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Boulder, Colorado
    Dr. Tor Ragnar Gerholm, Professor Emeritus of Physics, University of Stockholm, member of Nobel Prize selection committee for physics; member, Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences and Royal Swedish Academy of Engineering Sciences, author of several books on science and technology.
    Dr. Gerhard Gerlich, Professor, Technical University of Braunschweig.
    Dr. Thomas Gold, Professor of astrophysics, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York
    Dr. H.G. Goodell, Professor, University of Virginia, Charlottesville
    James D. Goodridge, climatologist, formerly with California Dept. of Water Resources.
    Dr. Adrian Gordon, meteorologist, University of South Australia.
    Prof. Dr. Eckhard Grimmel, Professor, University Hamburg, Germany.
    Dr. Nathaniel B. Guttman, Research Physical Scientist, National Climatic Data Center, Asheville, North Carolina; former Professor of atmospheric sciences/climatology; former Chairman, AMS Committee on Applied Climatology.
    Dr. Paul Handler, Professor of chemistry, University of Illinois.
    Dr. Vern Harnapp, Professor, University of Akron, Ohio
    Dr. Howard C. Hayden, Professor of physics, University of Connecticut
    Dr. Michael J. Higatsberger, Professor and former Director, Institute for Experimental Physics, University of Vienna, Austria; former Director, Seibersdorf Research Center of the Austrian Atomic Energy Agency; former President, Austrian Physical Society.
    Dr. Austin W. Hogan, meteorologist, co-editor of the journal Atmospheric Research.
    Dr. William Hubbard, Professor, University of Arizona, Dept. of Planetary Sciences; elected Fellow of the American Geophysical Union.
    Dr. Heinz Hug, lecturer, Wiesbaden, Germany
    Dr. Zbigniew Jaworski, University of Warsaw, Poland
    Dr. Kelvin Kemm, nuclear physicist, Director, Technology Strategy Consultants, Pretoria, South Africa; columnist, Engineering News; author, Techtrack: A Winding Path of South African Development.
    Dr. Robert L. Kovach, Professor of geophysics, Stanford University, Palo Alto, California
    Dr. David R. Legates, Professor of meteorology, University of Oklahoma
    Dr. Heinz H. Lettau, geophysicist, Increase A. Lapham Professor Emeritus, University of Wisconsin
    Dr. Henry R. Linden, Max McGraw Professor of Energy and Power Engineering and Management, Director, Energy and Power Center, Illinois Institute of Technology; elected Fellow, American Institute of Chemical Engineers; former member, Energy Engineering Board of the National Research Council; member, Green Technology Committee, National Academy of Engineering.
    Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Sloane Professor of Meteorology, Center for Meteorology and Physical Meteorology, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, Massachusetts.
    Dr. J. P. Lodge, atmospheric chemist, Boulder, Colorado
    Dr. Anthony R. Lupo, atmospheric scientist, Professor, University of Missouri at Columbia, reviewer/contributing author, IPCC.
    Dr. George E. McVehil, meteorologist, Englewood, Colorado
    Dr. Helmut Metzner, Professor, Tubingen, Germany
    Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, Professor and Director of the State Office of Climatology, University of Virginia; more than 50 research articles published in scientific journals; past President, American Association of State Climatologists; author, Sound and Fury: The Science and Politics of Global Warming (1992); reviewer/contributing author, IPCC.
    Sir William Mitchell, physicist, University of Oxford, U.K.
    Dr. Asmunn Moene, former chief of Meteorology, Oslo, Norway.
    Laim Nagle, energy/engineering specialist, Cornfield University, UK
    Robert A. Neff, former U.S. Air Force meteorologist: member, AMS, AAAS.
    Dr. William A. Nierenberg, Director Emeritus, Scripps Institute of Oceanography, La Jolla, California; Professor Emeritus of oceanography, University of California at San Diego; former member, Council of the U.S. National Academy of Science; former Chairman, National Research Council's Carbon Dioxide Assessment Committee; former member, U.S. EPA Global Climate Change Committee; former Assistant Secretary General of NATO for scientific affairs; former Chairman, National Advisory Committee on Oceans and Atmospheres.
    Dr. William Porch, atmospheric physicist, Los Alamos National Laboratory, New Mexico.
    Dr. Harry Priem, Professor of geology, University of Utrecht
    Dr. William E. Reifsnyder, Professor Emeritus of biometeorology, Yale University; elected Fellow, American Association for the Advancement of Science; former Chairman, National Academy of Science/National Research Council Committee on Climatology; AMS Award for Outstanding Achievement in Biometeorology.
    Dr. Alexander Robertson, meteorologist, Adjunct Professor, Memorial University of Newfoundland, Canada; author of more than 200 scientific and technical publications in biometeorology and climatology, forestry, forest ecology, urban environmental forestry, and engineering technology.
    Dr. Thomas Schmidlin, CCM, Professor of meteorology/climatology, Kent State University, Ohio; editor, Ohio Journal of Science, elected Fellow, Ohio Academy of Science; member, AMS.
    Dr. Frederick Seitz, physicist, former President, Rockefeller University, former President, U.S. National Academy of Sciences; former member, President's Science Advisory Committee; recipient, U.S. National Medal of Science.
    Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Executive Director, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study and the Cooperative Institute for Research in the Integrated Ocean Sciences; contributed to the initial development of the Climate Change Program of the National Oceanic And Atmospheric Administration; investigated climate-related resource variabilities, sustainable development, and basic environmental climatology for the UN, World Bank, and USAID.
    Dr. S. Fred Singer, atmospheric physicist; President, The Science & Environmental Policy Project; former Director, U.S. Weather Satellite Service; Professor Emeritus of environmental science, University of Virginia; former Chairman, federal panel investigating effects of the SST on stratospheric ozone; author or editor of 16 books, including Global Climate Change (1989) and Hot Talk, Cold Science: Global Warming's Unfinished Debate (1997).
    Dr. A. F. Smith, chemical engineer (ret.), Jacksonville, Florida
    Dr. Fred J. Starheim, Professor, Kent State University
    Dr. Chauncey Starr, President Emeritus, Electric Power Research Institute, winner 1992 National Medal of Engineering
    Dr. Robert E. Stevenson, Secretary General Emeritus, International Association for the Physical Sciences of the Oceans, and a leading world authority on space oceanography; more than 100 research articles published in scientific journals; author of seven books; advisor to NASA, NATO, U.S. National Academy of Science, and the European Geophysical Society.
    Dr. George Stroke, Professor, Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Munich, Germany
    Dr. Heinz Sundermann, University of Vienna, Austria
    Dr. George H. Sutton, Professor Emeritus, University of Hawaii
    Dr. Arlen Super, meteorologist, U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, Lakewood, Colorado
    Dr. Vladimir Svidersky, Professor, Sechenoc Institute, Moscow, Russia
    Dr. M. Talwani, geophysicist, Rice University, Houston, Texas.
    Dr. W. F. Tanner, Professor, Florida State University
    Peter Arnold Toynbee, chemical engineer, F. Institute of Energy, London, England.
    Dr. Christiaan Van Sumere, Professor, University of Gent, Belgium
    Dr. Robin Vaugh, physicist, University of Dundee, UK
    Dr. Robert C. Wentworth, geophysicist, Oakland, California, formerly with Lochheed Reseach Laboratory.
    Dr. Robert C. Whitten, physicist, formerly with NASA.
    Dr. Klaus Wyrtki, Professor Emeritus, University of Hawaii Sea Level Center

    TELEVISION NEWS METEOROLOGISTS
    (affiliation for identification purposes only)
    Elliot Abrams, meteorologist, Senior Vice President, Accuweather, Inc.
    Richard Apuzzo, meteorologist, WXIX-TV (FOX), Cincinnati, Ohio; member, AMS, NWA, SKYWARN; recipient of "Best Weathercast" awards from Associated Press and United Press International.
    Andre Bernier, meteorologist, WJW-TV (FOX), Cleveland, Ohio
    Sallie Bernier, meteorologist, WJW-TV (FOX), Cleveland, Ohio
    Bob Breck, meteorologist, WVUE-TV (ABC), New Orleans, Louisiana
    Matthew Bye, meteorologist, KPIX-TV (CBS) San Francisco, California
    A.J. Colby, meteorologist, WICU-TV (NBC), Erie, Pennsylvania
    Dr. Neil L. Frank, meteorologist, HOU-TV (CBS), Houston, Texas, former Director, National Hurricane Center.
    Dick Gance, meteorologist, Weather Forecasting, Inc., Concord, Ohio
    Dick Goddard, meteorologist, WJW-TV (FOX), Cleveland, Ohio
    Shane Hollett, meteorologist, WJW-TV (FOX), Cleveland, Ohio
    Mark Johnson, meteorologist, WEWS-TV (ABC), Cleveland, Ohio
    Roy Leep, meteorologist, WTVT-TV (CBS), recently retired; Director, Gillette Weather Data Services, Tampa, Florida; elected Fellow, American Meteorological Society; former member, AMS Executive Council; among the group of TV meteorologists invited to the White House for a briefing on global warming.
    Mark Koontz, meteorologist, WJW-TV (FOX), Cleveland, Ohio
    Jon Loufman, meteorologist, WKYC-TV (NBC), Cleveland, Ohio
    Dan Maly, meteorologist, WOIO-TV (FOX), Cleveland, Ohio
    Ryan McPike, atmospheric scientist, WICU-TV (NBC), Erie, Pennsylvania
    James T. Moore, meteorologist, KSWO-TV (ABC) Lawton, Oklahoma
    Scott R. Sabol, meteorologist, WBOY-TV (NBC), Clarksburg, West Virginia
    Dr. Joseph Sobel, meteorologist, Pennsylvania Public Television Network; Senior Vice President, Accu-Weather, Inc., State College, Pennsylvania; co-author, Changing Weather: Facts and Fallacies About Climate Change and Weather Extremes.
    Brad Sussman, meteorologist, WEWS-TV (ABC), Cleveland, Ohio, AMS, NWA, Broadcast Seal Committee Chair NWA.
    Brian Sussman, meteorologist, KPIX-TV (CBS) San Francisco, California; member, American Meteorological Society (served on AMS Education Committee), 12-time recipient of the "Best Weathercast" award from the Radio and Television News Directors Association and Associated Press.
    Anthony Watts, meteorologist, KHSL-TV (CBS), Chico, California
    Don Webster, meteorologist, WEWS-TV 9 (ABC), Cleveland, Ohio
    Brian Westfall, meteorologist, Weather Forecasting, Inc., Akron, Ohio



    Tock I can go on and on. The evidence is severely lacking. Why arnt these men being heard, along with thousands more. tsk tsk Tick Tock. There is more to the story than meets the eye.

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    TONY BLAIR 9/25/05



    Tony Blair backs away
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    The most important news to emerge from Bill Clinton's "Global Initiative," was a statement from Tony Blair that the mainstream media completely ignored. Blair, a long time advocate of the Kyoto Protocol, told the star-studded gathering that "My thinking has changed in the past three or four years. No country is going to cut its growth" to accommodate Kyoto, or any other climate change treaty.

    After years of staunch support for the Kyoto Protocol, Blair has realized that England cannot meet the treaty's requirements, and if it could, the result would be economic disaster. The emissions targets imposed by Kyoto upon the developed nations that have ratified it, are supposed to be achieved by 2012. The Protocol's governing body will meet in Montreal in December to continue negotiations for the second phase, the period after 2012.

    Blair says that fast-growing nations such as China and India, which were excluded from the treaty, are not going to shut down their economies or constrain future growth, which is the inevitable consequence of the Kyoto Protocol. Instead, Blair says that nations must work together to advance science and technology, rather than try to reverse the expansion of development and the improved living conditions development brings.

    Despite this blockbuster announcement by Tony Blair, the major media concentrated on the stars who attended the event and the donations they made to Clinton's initiative.

    Clinton himself ignored the statement. Appearing on "Meet the Press," Clinton failed to mention Blair's remarks. Instead, Clinton continued to blame human activity for all manner of climate variations. He talked about the Greenland ice cover thinning, but he failed to mention that a thousand years ago, there was no ice cover at all in Greenland. Human use of fossil fuels could not have caused Greenland to be green then. He talked about the huge chunks of ice that are breaking off sections of the polar caps, but he failed to mention the expansion of the glaciers in other areas of the polar regions.



    Clinton did say that no one "with a straight face" could blame hurricane Katrina on global warming. This statement is a slap in the face to Ross Gelbspan of the Boston Globe, and Robert Kennedy Jr. of the Natural Resources Defense Council. These are just two of the many environmental extremists who wasted no time declaring that global warming caused the disaster on the Gulf Coast.

    Clinton, and the mainstream media, can pretend that global warming is justification for the Kyoto Protocol, but with Tony Blair, and other developed nations realizing the actual economic cost of compliance, and the utter impossibility of meeting its requirements, the Protocol appears to be in deep trouble.

    The only fact in the entire global-warming debate that is indisputable, is the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide over the last century. The only proven consequence of this increase is the enhanced growth of nearly all vegetation. Carbon dioxide acts as a fertilizer to almost all known species of vegetation. Virtually all of the negative consequences attributed to increased carbon dioxide are the result of computer models, and speculation.

    There is no room for speculation about the continued need for energy around the world. There is a direct and measurable correlation between energy use and health, longevity and prosperity. The world should be working on ways to improve access to, and distribution of, affordable energy. Every energy source should be utilized, without artificial governmental restrictions on either access or use.



    Rather than mobilizing the world to reduce the use of energy, the United Nations and other international institutions should be promoting the development of more energy sources. Rather than blocking the construction of nuclear power plants, refineries and pipelines, environmental organizations should be promoting their growth and development, so the people in developing nations who live in squalid, unsanitary conditions, can have the energy desperately needed to treat water supplies and refrigerate food and medicines. Rather than impose regulatory constraints on vehicle mileage and fuel blends, government should get out of the way and let the marketplace sort out what the people want.

    Tony Blair, and other early advocates of global command and control of energy use are beginning to realize that the cost of serious reductions in energy consumption must result in a serious reduction in living standards, economic growth and, ultimately, in health and longevity. This is the real story from Clinton's "Global Initiative," and it won't go away, even if Clinton and the major media try to ignore it.

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    Wink

    All these so called scientist would probably also say "lumbering the rainforest has not any negative effect" if there would be a economy behind it that makes big buisiness.
    It is all for the money not for anything else.

    All consequences we see today are the effects of CO2 emission from 30 years ago and not the effects of CO2 emission today. According to that no one really knows if co2 increases global warming or not. Everyone who says he would know what the effects of CO2 are is simply a liar...

    To reduce CO2 would be absolutely no problem. You could simply use filters, catalytic converter or what ever. That means, you don't need do reduce the use of energy to prevent/decrease CO2 emission.
    It is just that companies fear the costs of these prevention measures and thats all ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chino777
    All these so called scientist would probably also say "lumbering the rainforest has not any negative effect" if there would be a economy behind it that makes big buisiness.
    It is all for the money not for anything else.

    All consequences we see today are the effects of CO2 emission from 30 years ago and not the effects of CO2 emission today. According to that no one really knows if co2 increases global warming or not. Everyone who says he would know what the effects of CO2 are is simply a liar...

    To reduce CO2 would be absolutely no problem. You could simply use filters, catalytic converter or what ever. That means, you don't need do reduce the use of energy to prevent/decrease CO2 emission.
    It is just that companies fear the costs of these prevention measures and thats all ...



    Its pretty hard to pay off 17000 scientists. I also am sure many of them take great pride in there job

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    Quote Originally Posted by books555
    Tock the evidence is overwhelming. Here are just a few of the scientists who reject Global Warming



    Dr. John Apel, oceanographer, Global Oceans Associates, formerly with Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory.
    Dr. David Aubrey, Senior Scientist, Marine Policy Center, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, Massachusetts
    Dr. Duwayne M. Anderson,Professor, Texas A&M University
    lengthy list snipped for brevity . . .



    Quote Originally Posted by books555
    TELEVISION NEWS METEOROLOGISTS
    (affiliation for identification purposes only)
    Elliot Abrams, meteorologist, Senior Vice President, Accuweather, Inc.
    Richard Apuzzo, meteorologist, WXIX-TV (FOX), Cincinnati, Ohio; member, AMS, NWA, SKYWARN; recipient of "Best Weathercast" awards from Associated Press and United Press International.
    Andre Bernier, meteorologist, WJW-TV (FOX), Cleveland, Ohio
    Sallie Bernier, meteorologist, WJW-TV (FOX), Cleveland, Ohio
    lengthy list snipped for brevity . . .


    Quote Originally Posted by books555
    Tock I can go on and on. The evidence is severely lacking. Why arnt these men being heard, along with thousands more. tsk tsk Tick Tock. There is more to the story than meets the eye.
    Books, who are these people? Something tells me that some nuts are using names of people without their permission. That's your guys have done before:


    According to
    sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Leipzig_Declaration_on_Global_Clim ate_Change

    "When journalist David Olinger of the St. Petersburg Times investigated the Leipzig Declaration, however, he discovered that most of its signers have not dealt with climate issues at all and none of them is an acknowledged leading expert. Twenty-five of the signers were TV weathermen - a profession that requires no in-depth knowledge of climate research. Some did not even have a college degree, such as Dick Groeber of Dick's Weather Service in Springfield, Ohio. Did Groeber regard himself as a scientist? "I sort of consider myself so," he said when asked. "I had two or three years of college training in the scientific area, and 30 or 40 years of self-study." Other signers included a dentist, a medical laboratory researcher, a civil engineer, and an amateur meteorologist. Some were not even found to reside at the addresses they had given.

    A journalist with the Danish Broadcasting Company attempted to contact the declaration's 33 European signers and found that four of them could not be located, 12 denied ever having signed, and some had not even heard of the Leipzig Declaration. Those who did admit signing included a medical doctor, a nuclear scientist, and an expert on flying insects. After discounting the signers whose credentials were inflated, irrelevant, false, or unverifiable, it turned out that only 20 of the names on the list had any scientific connection with the study of climate change, and some of those names were known to have obtained grants from the oil and fuel industry, including the German coal industry and the government of Kuwait (a major oil exporter).[2] (http://naturalscience.com/ns/letters/ns_let08.html) "


    Ya, and who cares what TV weathermen have to say, anyway? It's not like they are trained meterologists -- the vast majority of them are journalism/communications majors . . . all they know about weather is what comes to them from national weather forcasting services . . .

    Sheesh . . .

    -Tock
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    Quote Originally Posted by books555
    Its pretty hard to pay off 17000 scientists. I also am sure many of them take great pride in there job
    I doubt very much that each and every one of those 17000 scientists:

    * know much about global warming,
    * have given permission for their names to be used by this crackpot organization
    * even exist.


    Look, I don't know much about global warming myself, so I can't profess to have any sort of informed opinion one way or the other. However, I do know the difference between scholarship and BS, and for whatever reason, the organizations you cite and the people you quote are usually full of something, but seldom is it scholarship.

    Wanna try again?

    -Tock

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    Tock I can get the documentation if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by books555
    Tock I can get the documentation if you want.
    Is that so?

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