10-02-2005, 04:55 AM #1
The Reason I am a Believer (in Something)
I used to be a skeptic.
Raised by an "ultra-religious" father I experienced first hand how religion can destroy a person. My father quit 3 very well paying jobs following his beliefs and as a result, his three children suffered. At one point all we ate was bologna, bread and lime flavored chips for breakfast, lunch and dinner for an entire month while living in a motel that costed $100/week.
Needless to say I questioned spirituality and it's true actual significance to me. I mean, we aren't living in the Ice Age where myths and legends probably held great meaning and taught life lessons or some sh!t. Modern man has something called morals, and this is what we live by.
In December of 1995, I believe, my family was driving across Colorado. My father had recently quit his job in Denver and we had moved to Topeka, Kansas. We were driving BACK to Denver to pick up some tax documents of some kind. I told him he should go alone because I had a bad feeling about this trip. Something about driving to another state in winter just sucks...
Our vehicle was a Jeep Cherokee, the kind that was still made out of metal. It was a gas guzzling machine, but it was tough. At around 1pm I fell layed down and closed my eyes. I had been scared the entire trip and had stayed away to make sure my Dad wouldn't fall asleep. It was then that I had a dream.
I dreamt about a feeling. A feeling that everything would be alright, no matter what happened that trip. I saw my three siblings and my Dad standing next to each other. I saw a picture of a man standing with his child on a motorcycle.
All of a suddent we had slid on a patch of black ice. He had spun out for a second and directed our vehicle off of the road towards a snow covered meridian. As we were about to leave the highway we were hit from behind by a semi truck! We were hit almost directly on the rear of the vehicle, then again on the left side and then again on the rear. We were spinning this entire time.
Then everything stopped. My Dad yelled, "Is everyone OK?" I was speechless, looking at the bloody body of my younger brother, Stephen. He had been hit directly on the head as he was laying all the way in the rear of the vehicle. My Dad went to him and started crying. He was saying, "He's dead, he's dead!!" Now, my Dad was a corpsman in the Navy and was trained as an EMT so he knows dead. Stephen had no pulse, nothing.
Then I felt something make me say, "Dad, Stephen is alright. He's fine." My Dad was like, "You don't understand. Stephen is dead!" I said, "No he's not." Then Stephen coughed up blood and a couple teeth and started moaning. He had fractured his jaw and a few other bones in his head BUT HE WAS ALIVE!
I was dazed, in a state of shock. I was like, what happened? What is going on here? The driver of the truck got to our vehicle and my sister and my other brother to his truck where it was warm. When I got there I screamed and started crying. On his dash was a picture of him and his son straddling a Harley.
To this day I know that even if God doesn't exist (which he does), even if every religion in the world is wrong something is happening in this world that we humans cannot comprehend. I have had many extraordinary spiritual experiences since this but this was the first time I truly opened my mind.
10-02-2005, 05:00 AM #2
wow that is amazing. thanks for sharing! may i ask what was it that your father believed in or chased after that caused your dad to quit the three jobs and bring your family to such poverty?
10-02-2005, 05:06 AM #3Originally Posted by max2extreme
At least he had a lot of experience in his job field. It usually took us 3 months to get back on our feet after a move, which is better than a lot of people who are poor ALL of the time.
10-02-2005, 03:56 PM #4
God uses EVERYTHING........that's why free will is a fallacy.
10-02-2005, 03:58 PM #5
The only reason for anything is for us to learn good vs. evil and for God to reconcile the whole world to Himself .......THAT's what life is all about......
10-03-2005, 04:41 PM #6
I know this is awful to saw, but what about all the people who pray to God everyday for miracles which don't happen (ex. what if your brother had died? Then would you not have faith?)
10-03-2005, 08:16 PM #7
To raise the very question assumes God exists. You call it a moral wrong for God to take the life of another who is seemingly innocent, yet the statement is only true if there is a moral law giver by which to base objective moral statements.
If some one entered your house to hurt your wife and children, you would call it a moral right to defend yourself and take the intruders life. Yet if God, who is all knowing, takes a life He created, you would call it a moral wrong. My question is why? If God takes the life of a child, that child is immediatly with the very being who created it.
The Judeo Christian God does not sit by and watch as his children go through pain. He enters into and shares our suffering, through the 2nd person of the trinity (Jesus Christ) consigned to the bitterly cruel anguish of the cross. As Alvin Plantinga says (one of the greatest philosophers of our time according to Time Magazine) Gods capacity for suffering is propositional to his greatness. It exceeds our capacity, just as his knowledge goes infinitly beyound what we can comprehend. God actually enters into our suffering the the Jesus Christ, He does not sit by.
10-03-2005, 08:30 PM #8Associate Member
Originally Posted by scriptfactory
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great testimony. ski a great winter
10-03-2005, 09:41 PM #9
books, ur way too religious
10-03-2005, 10:21 PM #10Originally Posted by books555
what about those who are born disfigured and retarted and in constant pain who live long but die a horrible death through organ failure... were is god then? Its easy to point out the great things that god does hence, but when something happens that isn't fair or unholy its.. god works in misterious ways.
I'm not doubting that there is a god, just sometimes i feel that he doesn't do as much as people says he does... sure sometimes.. but more not then often
10-04-2005, 02:32 AM #11Originally Posted by redmango
And you are normal. You assume God does not exist.
10-04-2005, 03:39 AM #12Originally Posted by FeldMarshellPotter
I believe in God, however I trust in myself in all matters. I don't automatically think God MUST do something for me. I feel like he gave me a gift in keeping my brother alive. I would have totally believed that it was simple luck if I had not dreamed what I dreamed and saw what I saw.
As for your question, if my brother had died then I most certainly would have had the same doubt I had before. Thank God my brother didn't die.
10-04-2005, 03:46 AM #13
thank god indeed. I agree totally with your first paragraph.
10-04-2005, 03:49 AM #14Originally Posted by ToTheBuckeT21
One time a friend and I were bodyrafting down a river in Colorado. The water was pretty calm but all of a sudden my friend said to get out. I asked him why and he said he "just had a feeling". We walked about 200 meters along the side of the river and around a bend was a waterfall. A big waterfall. We couldn't see it or even tell it was there earlier but my friends "feeling" saved our lives! If we had stayed in the water for even 30 seconds longer we would have went around the bend and not have been able to get out of the river!
I don't know if God gave him that feeling. I don't know if he just has super duper instincts. All I know is I was saved that day because of a feeling!
10-04-2005, 06:26 PM #15Originally Posted by ToTheBuckeT21
Ill respond in a little bit.
10-04-2005, 06:26 PM #16Originally Posted by scriptfactory
You sound very humble script, thats awsome.
10-04-2005, 08:30 PM #17
i actually do believe that there is a god, i just dont follow a specific religion like most believers do. think for yourself by questioning the bible and religion. what is intelligence without questioning the validity of your sources of information?
10-05-2005, 06:48 AM #18Originally Posted by redmango
Have you checked the validity of it? Why do you reject it. Give some specific examples if you could.
10-05-2005, 02:15 PM #19
i dont necessarly completely reject the bible, i just think its not logical for your life to revolve around something that cannot be proven true. im not saying by any means that the bible is complete bulls**t, i just must point out the fact that it may or may not be true. nobody knows and unless jesus himself rises before us we never will. you act as if the bible contents is set in stone, cold hard facts, when there is a possibility that is is not.
Faith- belief that does not rest on logical proof or evidence. (dictionary.com)
10-05-2005, 03:26 PM #20
that is a awsome story thanks for sharing. I defenetly belife there is "something" out there.
10-05-2005, 08:47 PM #21Originally Posted by redmango
10-05-2005, 09:57 PM #22Originally Posted by max2extreme
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