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    How do christian americans feel about this quote?

    As the Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the law, religion or tranquility of Musselmen; and as the states never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mohometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever produce an interruption of harmony existing between the two countries.
    From the 1796 Treaty with Tripoli unanimously approved by the senate

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    http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/tripoli.htm
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    I belive the US was founded by deists or people with deist tendencies.

    To bad now the US has fought may wars with Mohammedan nations.

    Musselmen that is a funny term.

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    doesnt matter to me really. I dont think i ever claimed U.S. was based on christianity. Perhaps those who did make statements of such will have something to say.

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    everything about the US and its governing body is based on christianity, the laws are based on the 10commandments and so on. im not gonna get into the entire debate, but i dont see how ppl cant see that we are founded as a christian nation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decadbal
    everything about the US and its governing body is based on christianity, the laws are based on the 10commandments and so on.
    No.

    The first 4 commandments are unconstitutional, and disputes the US constitution.

    Number 5, 7, 10 are moral standards and not legal law.

    Is it illegal to commit adultry in the US?

    The remaning 3 dealing with killing, stealing, and lying. Are also not morals based only in Christianity.

    Plus the 10 commandents are more Jewish law than Christian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decadbal
    the laws are based on the 10commandments and so on.
    You've got it backwards, the 10 commandments are based on law.

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    maybe, im not that religous

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    No, your right Decadbal. The effect of the 10 commandments had a extraordinary influence on on many of the founding fathers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    No.

    The first 4 commandments are unconstitutional, and disputes the US constitution.

    Number 5, 7, 10 are moral standards and not legal law.

    Is it illegal to commit adultry in the US?

    The remaning 3 dealing with killing, stealing, and lying. Are also not morals based only in Christianity.

    Plus the 10 commandents are more Jewish law than Christian.


    How did you come to your conclusions?

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    Our founding fathers used the principles of christianity to use good judgement but did not want to infringe upon anyones personal beliefs... That is one reason people started the pilgrimage to america. Though our liberties and unaleinable rights were given to us by our creator a person cannot interpret for our creator. As a matter of fact religious diversity is why the first amendment is worded the way it was:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

    Seperation of church and state was so the pulpit would not use GOD to institute policies. We cannot legislate from religious doctrine yet we use morals gained therein... We cannot as a country legislate how to worship or who to worship.

    This happens in Iran... they call not hardcore muslims "seculars", this happens in India, hindus want government control but against muslims. Now GW is saying GOD told him to strike out in a shock and awe manner... Religious right is way more scary than any left... AND I AM CHRISTIAN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    From the 1796 Treaty with Tripoli unanimously approved by the senate

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli

    http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/tripoli.htm
    Above I think I agreed wholeheartedly... But our government since we got involved in foreign wars and strict ********s, warned by our first president George Washington, has been using media and spin... all since the first world war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decadbal
    everything about the US and its governing body is based on christianity, the laws are based on the 10commandments and so on. im not gonna get into the entire debate, but i dont see how ppl cant see that we are founded as a christian nation

    Are country is based on a Roman/Greeco hertitage. And only two commandents were ever laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    I belive the US was founded by deists or people with deist tendencies.

    To bad now the US has fought may wars with Mohammedan nations.

    Musselmen that is a funny term.
    jefferson, adams, and washington were all all deists

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperJ
    Are country is based on a Roman/Greeco hertitage. And only two commandents were ever laws.
    im pretty sure the us is founded on anglo saxon heritage..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decadbal
    im pretty sure the us is founded on anglo saxon heritage..

    You are right and wrong. The Anglos and the Saxons were simply two tribes in England that soaked up perhaps a hundred others over the centuries. The English language has so many German and French words because there were so many invasions by these and various other peoples that there was a conglomeration of cultures. French was the official language in the high courts of England for nearly 100 years.

    The one cultural thread that connnects Europe, besides the massive invasion of the Germans after the fall of Rome was the Roman Empire, which was an extension of the Greek culture, largely and controled virtaully all of England. Words like, democracy, politics and policy were given to us by the ancient greeks. Most of the sciences we use, including biology and astromony are greek in orgin. As are the forms of literature, such as the biography, the very concept of history and recording it, the distinction between fiction and non, and poetry are all greek.

    The modern world stand on the shoulders of the accomplishments of the Greeco/Roman civilizations. Christianity played an enormous role in
    destroying those civilizations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger909
    jefferson, adams, and washington were all all deists
    True.


    "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State"
    -Thomas Jefferson
    (Letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT, Jan. 1,1801).


    The religious views of George Washington are a matter of some controversy. There is considerable evidence that he (like many of the Founding Fathers) was a Deist - believing in GOD (he preferred more impersonal appellations, like Providence), but not believing in divine intervention in the world after the initial design.

    Above information gathered from Wikpedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by books555
    How did you come to your conclusions?
    1.Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

    2.Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth . . . .

    3.Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

    4.Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all they work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor they maidservant, nor they cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates.
    These 4 commandments are unconstitutional in the US. There are no ways around that.

    5.Honour they father and they mother: that they days may be long upon the land which the Lord they God giveth thee.

    7.Thou shalt not commit adultery.
    Moral laws, and not illegal in the US.

    6.Thou shalt not kill.

    8.Thou shalt not steal.

    9.Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor
    These might be illegal. But these are universal laws also, not just one based on Christianity.

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