Thread: Near death experiences
10-17-2005, 09:33 AM #1
Near death experiences
I was watching a show on the history channel that dealt with people have accidents that resulted in death followed by resuscitation. The people they had on the show reported seeing "the light" and dead family members ect. Some even had out of body experiences such as looking down at their own body being worked on in an operating room, even recalling conversation and specific tools being used. This woman in the operating room was even hooked to an EEG to monitor brain activity during her operation, as she had to be actually dead during the operation, and there was no brain activity the entire time. Most were openly christian.
So do you guys think their soul or what ever was actually out of the body looking down? Or do you think it is all psycological trickery? I would like to know when the soul actually leaves the body during the process of death. Is there a set time after a specific event, or at a specific event? If the accounts above are true, the soul can effectivly leave and re-enter the body, how does that work? I also don't understand how a soul could hear conversation, or even see. And a soul must be able to retain memory somehow, if it can remember such an event. And since these people are able to tell others about these accounts, does that mean our souls are a part of our conciousness?
It seems to me these accounts are way too typical of a human experience. Seeing, hearing, having conversation, and retaining memory of such an event are all way too characteristic of a human account. I believe it to be a product of the brain during the time of resuscitation. During that time a person is moving rapidly through different states of conciousness, from death. I believe these accounts to be "dreams" that occur in no more than a split second during that critical time of being brought back to conciousness.
10-17-2005, 09:42 AM #2
Soul a part of conciousness? Maybe or they could be two seperate things and you could still see those things... I just dont believe them to be dreams as you do.
10-17-2005, 10:01 AM #3Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
10-17-2005, 10:18 AM #4
i got knocked over by a car when i was young and i can remmeber standing where the car had hit me looking at my grandad carrying ME up the street 20 years ago & ill never forget that sh*t.
10-17-2005, 10:21 AM #5Originally Posted by BeerBaron
10-17-2005, 12:31 PM #6
There seems to be instances where the person has been truly brain dead and yet could give a good account on what the doctors around him/her said so I think there is more to it than just dreams. I dont know however how valid those stories are.
10-17-2005, 01:43 PM #7Originally Posted by stompin
10-17-2005, 01:58 PM #8
yeah i was dead, for 3 days then i some how i rose from the dead
trapped in this weird temple, with nails through my wrists and a funny
red headband on
seriously, just a few broken bones, i was just unconcious
10-17-2005, 02:33 PM #9
Actually there are studies of what happens to the brain during these types of times that show the pupils dialate and extreme amount thus form the tunnel vison or the bright light at the end of the black tunnel
Plus there are studies that show the brain chemistry going on and the massive increases in serotonin and dopamine levels creating an immense feeling of warmth and wellbeing.
Ive even seen a 5 year study that was secretley perfomed using an electronic board up above the paitents sight used in various operating rooms that had random paterns or numbers on it.
They did this to thousands of subjects to see if there was in fact a truth to the "out of body" experience. Yet not even 1 subject had reported any claims to have seen this in the various near death experiences and out of body claims that were experienced in those specific rooms.
I say its bogus!!!
I have been in various near death experiences and let me tell you all I ever remember is the time that I woke up, before that when I was actually pronounced dead is nothing just black unconsciousness.
10-17-2005, 03:11 PM #10Originally Posted by stompin
10-17-2005, 03:18 PM #11Originally Posted by Bryan2
10-17-2005, 03:25 PM #12Originally Posted by BeerBaron
10-17-2005, 03:25 PM #13Originally Posted by johan
10-17-2005, 03:28 PM #14Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
10-17-2005, 03:28 PM #15
that begs the question on what is the more scientific apporach. Assuming there is brain activity when all we know of brain science doesnt allow there to be any, or to assume the existance of a concious soul. Tricky situation.
10-17-2005, 03:39 PM #16Originally Posted by johan
10-18-2005, 01:22 AM #17
If it is true yeah it kind of asks the question if it is the soul or the brain that is the consiousness, But then again you can get retarted ect from damages to the brain.
those that claim they can leave there bodies(in controlled fashions) should try and prove there claims under scientific scrutiny so we can get a end to this
10-18-2005, 02:33 AM #18
has there been someone who claimed they could leave their body consciously? I only heard of this happening after some bad trauma or what not.
about your retarted due to brain damage comment johan. think of this. you break your arm, you cant use it correctly or at all. you break your brain (damage), you cant use it correctly or at all... I see our soul as using the body like a machine. with an uninjured body, our soul uses it like we see 'normal' people. once our body is injured, our soul does with it what it can and if one cant talk right or walks funny, its like a car with a broken tire. the person inside is still driving and the person inside is fine, but its the car thats broke.
10-18-2005, 07:21 AM #19Originally Posted by BeerBaron
10-18-2005, 09:46 AM #20
max look into OBE. There are lots of people claiming they can leave the body and go into astral planes ect. But just a few that claim they can leave the body and walk the soul in this world(not in some astral plane).
I have also though of it like that. The body as a reciver and the soul the transmiter and a brain damage would be like having a broken antenna. But then again might just be wishfull thinking to the extreme.
10-18-2005, 09:50 AM #21
To test if a person can leave the body would be so easy. Hide a note or someting in a room and tell the person to walk into that room when out of his body and read the note. Repeat it a few times to trusted scientists and viola out of body experiences is empiricaly proven.
10-18-2005, 11:38 AM #22
are these the same people that put an aluminium foil on their heads?
Last edited by MilitiaGuy; 10-18-2005 at 12:03 PM.
10-18-2005, 06:24 PM #23Originally Posted by johan
10-18-2005, 07:09 PM #24Originally Posted by max2extreme
10-19-2005, 06:45 PM #25
MMMM i have read well over 500 NDE some of them sound dumb and some of them sound real. My grand father died twice while open heart surgery sadly all he can remember is black...... seeing black, yet my fathers friend add surgery for crohns disease and died has well, he remembers 2 hands on top of is head and all that the nurses said during the operation.
I have read that the brain that lacks more then 4 minutes without air and the person becomes a vegetable.
Yet again i would find it stupid to be born live learn and die without any trace of our being here.
Seth in the 70 add many studies about life after death, he did record many after death conversations.
I have seen many so called psychics has well and they where all legends in there own minds.
Sadly i have no hard evidence that there is survival after the physical body dies.
And where do our emotions come from? not from the heart, the brain or the soul.
The bible talks a lot about the soul, but is the bible true or just another hoax to keep us humans in line and control us.
10-19-2005, 07:18 PM #26Originally Posted by BeerBaron
10-19-2005, 09:23 PM #27Originally Posted by max2extreme
10-19-2005, 09:37 PM #28
dont want to turn that thread into a feral child thread..but since you are the starter..seems fine. but are there any real cases of feral children living with animals? I looked at the site but read:
The evidence for many is virtually non-existent. Some, such as The Lobo Girl of Devil's River are quite possibly merely folk tales. In The Mother Wolf, the final chapter of his PhD thesis, Paul Williams questions whether any child has really been raised by animals.
and how do you think or what did you read that lead to the fact that if a human is raised by animals or what not, that they have less morals. i might even agree and might argue that an animal has MORE morals than man... (if we can first call what an animal has as 'morals', though not sure we could do that) anyone here ever take debate classes in hs or college? i love em. with ours, we didnt get to pick what side we were on. we were given the subject, and given our belief and had to fight for that side even if we were against it in reality. very good classes. id recommend them.
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