Thread: God Told George To Use Torture
10-17-2005, 11:22 PM #1
God Told George To Use Torture
McCain passes amendment to end torture of detainees; Bush threatens veto.
Army Field Manual's section on interrogation techniques:
"The use of force, mental torture, threats, insults, or exposure to unpleasant and inhumane treatment of any kind is prohibited by law and is neither authorized nor condoned by the US Government. Experience indicates that the use of force is not necessary to gain the cooperation of sources for interrogation. Therefore, the use of force is a poor technique, as it yields unreliable results, may damage subsequent collection efforts, and can induce the source to say whatever he thinks the interrogator wants to hear."
I suppose if Bush had served during Viet Nam rather than deserting, he might know these rules.
10-18-2005, 07:10 AM #2
What our military does is not torture. Hooking jumper cables up to their balls would be torture.
10-18-2005, 07:18 AM #3
First off, GW doesn't do a damn thing until Rove or Cheaney tell him too...
RA: Sorry bro, we use cruel and unusual forms of punishment... America does not adhear to the standards we want others go by... "the geneva conventions"
10-18-2005, 07:24 AM #4Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
10-18-2005, 07:40 AM #5Originally Posted by roidattack
10-18-2005, 08:49 AM #6Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
10-18-2005, 09:12 AM #7
I always said god was a sadistic SOB , now i have proof
seriously , torturing is wrong it costs more money to keep these people alive , they should shoot them on site and not take any prisoners , they are not pets of theirs to feed , provide a place to sleep , etc... they are war crminials they should be shot on site.
and for those who feel sorry for them , Im sure they felt the same way about americans in 9/11 , in israel ,iraq ,recent egyptian bombings , etc....
10-18-2005, 09:22 AM #8Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
Its like the captain that held a gun to the head of an enemy soldier and even shot next to him to get information. He did that and saved many lives.
Frankly, I wouldnt mind if they used harsher interrogation techniques.
10-18-2005, 09:47 AM #9Originally Posted by roidattack
Harsher interrogations would make us like them, I thought that is what we are fighting against.
10-18-2005, 10:04 AM #10Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
So we are supposed to not use techniques that would save possibly thousands or millions of lives? Im not talking about popping their eyes out or something, just enough to get the info.
10-18-2005, 11:08 AM #11Originally Posted by roidattack
If we let some of it go... it all is a go. Incrementalism at its finest. Who determines how much we torture or where that line is? Is it ok to torture u.s. citizens then? Maybe not today, but what about if you could torture because of a political affiliation? One that only takes the corporate controlled media to put a spin on...
10-18-2005, 12:12 PM #12
with how we know our troops, our pows have and will be treated, i dont have a problem with our soldiers doing whatever to those ppl... any of em
10-18-2005, 12:21 PM #13Originally Posted by Decadbal
10-18-2005, 01:11 PM #14Originally Posted by roidattack
ALSO maybe you would like to expalin why we recently bombed 2 iraqi villages under suspicion of the few ppl responsible for the bombings in that area , we killed more non suspect civilains including , children , women and men ......... to us its collateral damage but to those people family , maybe when they spit on our faces , we should have the dignity to respect why they do hate us so much .
10-18-2005, 01:19 PM #15Originally Posted by roidattack
10-18-2005, 08:35 PM #16Originally Posted by roidattack
10-18-2005, 08:37 PM #17Originally Posted by Decadbal
In New York, [George] Washington had wept while watching through a spyglass as the British massacred Americans who had surrendered. But Washington, Fischer writes, "often reminded his men that they were an army of liberty and freedom, and that the rights of humanity for which they were fighting should extend even to their enemies." To the American officer in charge of 221 prisoners taken at Princeton, Washington said, "Treat them with humanity, and let them have no reason to complain of our copying the brutal example of the British army in their treatment of our unfortunate brethren."
Last edited by wolfuncle; 10-18-2005 at 08:39 PM.
10-18-2005, 08:39 PM #18Originally Posted by MuckDog
10-19-2005, 06:50 AM #19Originally Posted by zOaib
1. Point me to the proof that the people being held there are innocent.
2. There is always going to be collateral damage in war.
10-19-2005, 06:51 AM #20Originally Posted by wolfuncle
This is a wild accusation with no fact basis.
10-19-2005, 06:56 AM #21Originally Posted by wolfuncle
If your brother or sister were in the military and got their life saved by one of these "inhumane" acts, you would not care how it was done. Its not fascism, its logic.
10-19-2005, 07:09 AM #22Originally Posted by roidattack
2. Collateral damage is a political packaged word meaning "innocent deaths", so lets just call it what it is... innocent deaths.
10-19-2005, 07:21 AM #23Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
Show me a war that has not had "innocent deaths" Just because you put it in a provacative way doesnt mean its worse.
10-19-2005, 01:08 PM #24Originally Posted by roidattack
Now you always claim that we are fighting for freedom and against ruthless terrorists. When we become terrorists by utilizing their tactics we fight for them and the whole reason you think we are fighting is immediately proved false. '"when you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back".
What meso is saying is that if we are really the soldiers you think we are, then using those tactics isn't even an option b/c then by default we aren't those soldiers, we are just american terrorists. but that's ok with most americans b/c all they know is how to feel victimized and hateful. which is of course ridiculous and infantile.
10-19-2005, 01:55 PM #25Originally Posted by symatech
So by that logic an athlete should not use steroids just because the other guy is doing it. Then, because the athlete is not using hes going to get his ass kicked. That equates to American soldiers lives. Their lives matter to me more than the g*d d*mn moral high ground.
10-19-2005, 06:37 PM #26Member
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9/11 was planned
iraq has no wepons of mass destruction
bottom line: bush is a ****tard
10-19-2005, 09:15 PM #27Originally Posted by roidattack
"We, the undersigned, are retired professional military leaders of the U.S. Armed Forces. We
write to express our deep concern about the nomination of Alberto R. Gonzales to be Attorney
General, and to urge you to explore in detail his views concerning the role of the Geneva
Conventions in U.S. detention and interrogation policy and practice."
Brigadier General David M. Brahms (Ret. USMC)
Brigadier General James Cullen (Ret. USA)
Brigadier General Evelyn P. Foote (Ret. USA)
Lieutenant General Robert Gard (Ret. USA)
Vice Admiral Lee F. Gunn (Ret. USN)
Rear Admiral Don Guter (Ret. USN)
General Joseph Hoar (Ret. USMC)
Rear Admiral John D. Hutson (Ret. USN)
Lieutenant General Claudia Kennedy (Ret. USA)
General Merrill McPeak (Ret. USAF)
Major General Melvyn Montano (Ret. USAF Nat. Guard)
General John Shalikashvili (Ret. USA)
10-20-2005, 12:34 AM #28
When you pull soldiers out of the ghetto......you get ghetto mentality.......
the Iraqis and US military deserve each other........bunch of violence prone assholes.......the more killled the better.......eliminate their defective genes
and evolution can move on.......
10-20-2005, 06:36 AM #29Originally Posted by Badgerman
It makes me sick that you live in this country.
10-20-2005, 06:38 AM #30Originally Posted by wolfuncle
All with political agendas, Im sure. It still does not prove my last point wrong.
10-20-2005, 06:39 AM #31Originally Posted by elite2kr
Why didnt you just say blah, blah, blah?? You sound like every other pos democrat.
10-20-2005, 09:15 AM #32Originally Posted by roidattack
10-20-2005, 10:09 AM #33
When you're a drooling old man in a wheel chair..........maybe some 5'2" nurse will slap some sense into you.......
10-20-2005, 01:14 PM #34Originally Posted by Badgerman
Looks like I struck a nerve badger..Me a war monger..lol. Ive always thought we should have the strongest military in the world to deter ppl but prior to 9/11 I wasnt wishing for war.
Your just an old hippie that probably smokes dope every night and re-lives the glory days of protesting and making "The Man" pay.
How did you know that I like abusing checkout ladies? lol.
One more question. Of the two of us posting who sounds more bitter and angry???? I dont think its me potboy...
Last edited by RA; 10-21-2005 at 06:24 AM.
10-20-2005, 02:16 PM #35Originally Posted by Badgerman
Don't mean to interrupt,
However seeing as this act of violence didn't work for you, why do you think it will work for Roid???
10-20-2005, 06:40 PM #36Originally Posted by roidattack
"Military necessity does not admit of cruelty--that is, the infliction of suffering for the sake of suffering or for revenge, nor of maiming or wounding except in fight, nor of torture to extort confessions.”
General Orders No. 100 President Abraham Lincoln
10-20-2005, 11:04 PM #37Originally Posted by Bigen12
Damn.....you're right.......except my wife is 5'3".......
10-21-2005, 04:31 AM #38
Nearly every national army has the same "Army Field Manual's section on interrogation techniques"...doesn't mean anyone actually follows them to a t. In times of war...it is likely that no one really adheres completely to the rule book. Its for the public, more so. Nevertheless, there are somethings that are necessary in order to save lives...its the "bigger picture" that matters.
10-21-2005, 06:28 AM #39Originally Posted by wolfuncle
1. This STILL does not prove my point wrong.
2. If your not getting any answers from torture then your not doing it right.
3. Lincoln was a great president. Not sure you should be quoting a man you would spit on.
10-21-2005, 07:13 AM #40Originally Posted by roidattack
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