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    Saudi columnist: Jihadists worse than Nazis
    Blasts al-Jazeera for championing 'murder, slaughter, destruction' by 'sick people'

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    A Saudi columnist says the violent jihad movement of Islam is similar to, or even worse than, Nazism, and that for the West not to oppose it will lead to consequences worse than Nazi Germany.

    Here are excerpts of two columns in the Saudi daily Al-Jazirah, by columnist Muhammad bin 'Abd Al-Latif Aal Al-Sheikh, as translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI:



    I am one of those who believe strongly that our clerics, students and preachers shoulder most of the responsibility for the war against terrorism, especially since terrorism today exploits religion under the pretext of "Allah said" and "The Prophet said." Thus, after these [terrorists] have sullied [Islam] with blood and tarnished its name through violence, killing, explosions, and destruction, it is the obligation of clerics and everyone involved in da'wa [propagating for Islam], before anyone else, first to defend the religion, and after that to defend peaceful people, from among the Muslims and others.
    The question that must be asked courageously is: Have the clerics of our times fulfilled their duty, as our forefathers did when they [fought] against the Khawarij? The most direct answer is: Sadly, no! Let's assume that the government decides to allow women to drive without obligating them, for instance, to wear a veil; what would be the reaction of these clerics and students? How many protest delegations would come to Riyadh from all the provinces? How many fatwas would be signed? How many accusations would be leveled? How many noisy sermons would be delivered by many imams in the mosques? …

    Is a woman driving a car, or even not wearing a veil, a more serious prohibition in Allah's eyes ... than the acts of murder, slaughter, destruction and violation of women's honor [committed] by these "sick people"? Why in the name of God [do we show] all this gentleness, forgiveness and a tendency to "speak gently" when it comes to terrorists, while [we show] extreme blatancy and harshness when it comes to women, for instance? …

    In 1945, a short time after Nazi Germany's surrender, a conference was held in Potsdam, Germany, in which one of the important articles [adopted] was "denazification." This conference is credited with uprooting the culture of Nazism from Europe. [The conference] aroused the world's conscience against Nazism with the end of World War II, firmed up the revulsion toward it, and made it into something similar to a crime – not just in judicial and political terms, but also in terms of culture, ideology and especially the media. Thus, it suffices in Europe nowadays to accuse a politician of having Nazi tendencies, or of inciting to Nazism, for him to turn into something of a bandit. The [Potsdam] Agreement was signed by Britain, the U.S.S.R., the U.S. and China – the important world superpowers at that time.


    Why shouldn't we learn a lesson [of the Potsdam] experience, which had the greatest impact on the uprooting of Nazism from the world? ... Imagine that the way of dealing with statements by Al-Salafiyya Al-Jihadiyya … was comparable to the West's way of dealing with Nazism. [Editor's note: "Al-Salafiyya Al-Jihadiyya" is a term used by Islamist terror groups to describe themselves as continuing in the footsteps of the early believers of the Prophet Muhammad's generation, and as believing in the duty to wage a modern Jihad war against infidels.] Would a [TV] channel, like al-Jazeera, for example, dare to spread this ideology and to relate to statements by its leaders and preachers in the spirit of "point/counterpoint" and "freedom of speech"? Everybody knows that this channel in particular has had the greatest media impact on the shaping, spreading and strengthening of this dangerous trend, and that it provides it with wide space to express its "acts of heroism," its statements and its videotaped operations, to the point where it [al-Jazeera] has become the primary platform of [Al-Salafiyya Al-Jihadiyya], as is happening today in Iraq.

    Therefore, I still believe that one of the primary missions of the international community today is to repeat its experience with Nazism and to deal with this dangerous barbarian culture exactly as it dealt with the Nazi culture. If this does not happen, the near future is liable to bring many [events], the consequences of which will be far more severe for all of humanity than [the consequences] of World War II.

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    this quote says it all
    Is a woman driving a car, or even not wearing a veil, a more serious prohibition in Allah's eyes ... than the acts of murder, slaughter, destruction and violation of women's honor [committed] by these "sick people"? Why in the name of God [do we show] all this gentleness, forgiveness and a tendency to "speak gently" when it comes to terrorists, while [we show] extreme blatancy and harshness when it comes to women, for instance? …

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    Islam is against killing civilians, very against killing fellow muslims, against suicide.

    But Islam does not cause the terrorism, its wanting to get revenge and anger, human emotions that causes terrorism.

    But it is totally acceptable in Islam to attack people that attack you. So in Islam it is totally acceptable to attack the IDF, Russian Army, US army etc.

    If a person draws a gun against you, your country, your religion, it is a duty to fight them.

    When Osama Bin Laden fought the Russian's in Afghanistan, he was being a good muslim. But when he started a war against civlians, that is totally unislamic.

    That is an interesting sentence he used when he described mainstream Islams fight againt the Khawarij.

    Khawarij: the group that expels people from the fold of Islam upon innovated principles and revolts against the rulers, causing much turmoil throughout the land.

    The Khawarij were a sect that called anyone that didnt follow their verison of Islam, a non-Muslim. In the beginning more than 1000 years ago, they were outcasts and other Muslims fought them.

    The original Khawarij were the descendents of a man named Dhul-Khuwaysarah, as prophesied by the Messenger of Allah (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace). They are the sect that were responsible for the killing of many of his companions. They differ from the followers of the Salaf (the Prophet and his companions) in that they do not restrict themselves to the understanding which the Salaf had when applying texts related to takfir (excommunication). Hence, they use textual evidences, but fall short in understanding them. This is why the likes of Osama Bin Laden make unrestricted takfir.

    Regarding the Khawarij, Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan, one of the great Salafi scholars of this time, said: "So having enthusiasm and an over-protective love for the religion is not sufficient. They must be founded upon knowledge and understanding of Allah's religion."

    These type of movements pop up all throughout Islamic history. They are tolerated today because they are the only one taking revenge giving Muslims some satisfication against their enemies. But their actions are unislamic. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    Islam is against killing civilians, very against killing fellow muslims, against suicide.

    Yet the members of this “religion” dance in the streets when one of its blood crazed members kills an infidel, or blows itself up among women and children.


    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    But Islam does not cause the terrorism, its wanting to get revenge and anger, human emotions that causes terrorism.
    No, Islam thrives on terrorism, its leaders use terrorism as a tool to stir up the congregation, calling for more and more terrorism.


    Take the leader of the terrorist nation Iran, in the news today he is calling for more terrorist attacks against Israel.

    “Islam is a religion of peace” No one believes this lie.

    Especially when your leaders call for terrorism.

    TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's hard-line president called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" and said a new wave of Palestinian attacks will destroy the Jewish state also known as terrorist attacks,, state-run media reported Wednesday.

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad also denounced attempts to recognize Israel or normalize relations with it.

    "There is no doubt that the new wave (of attacks) in Palestine will wipe off this stigma (Israel) from the face of the Islamic world," Ahmadinejad told students Wednesday during a Tehran conference called "The World without Zionism."

    "Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury, any (Islamic leader) who recognizes the Zionist regime means he is acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world," Ahmadinejad said.

    Ahmadinejad also repeated the words of the founder of Iran's Islamic revolution, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who called for the destruction of Israel.

    "As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, who came to power in August.

    Ahmadinejad referred to Israel's recent withdrawal from the Gaza Strip as a "trick," saying Gaza is part of the Palestinian territories and the withdrawal was meant to make Islamic states acknowledge Israel.
    Is anyone unclear on why Iran must not be allowed to have nuclear weapons?????


    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    But it is totally acceptable in Islam to attack people that attack you. So in Islam it is totally acceptable to attack the IDF, Russian Army, US army etc.
    But Islam doesn’t limit its attacks to armed force, it revels in deliberately spilling the blood of innocent women and children by it’s members dancing in the streets or carrying the body parts as some type of bizarre trophy.


    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    If a person draws a gun against you, your country, your religion, it is a duty to fight them.
    For those of you that don’t know, this is how they twist any conflict that a follower of Islam has to be a holy war.

    Watch out if you’re Muslim neighbor’s dog is crapping in your yard, and you complain, or call the cops on him, you may have a jihad proclaimed against you……


    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    When Osama Bin Laden fought the Russian's in Afghanistan, he was being a good muslim. But when he started a war against civlians, that is totally unislamic.
    Yet the people of Islam dance in the streets when ever he is successful at killing civilians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigen12
    Yet the members of this “religion” dance in the streets when one of its blood crazed members kills an infidel, or blows itself up among women and children.




    No, Islam thrives on terrorism, its leaders use terrorism as a tool to stir up the congregation, calling for more and more terrorism.


    Take the leader of the terrorist nation Iran, in the news today he is calling for more terrorist attacks against Israel.

    “Islam is a religion of peace” No one believes this lie.

    Especially when your leaders call for terrorism.



    Is anyone unclear on why Iran must not be allowed to have nuclear weapons?????




    But Islam doesn’t limit its attacks to armed force, it revels in deliberately spilling the blood of innocent women and children by it’s members dancing in the streets or carrying the body parts as some type of bizarre trophy.




    For those of you that don’t know, this is how they twist any conflict that a follower of Islam has to be a holy war.

    Watch out if you’re Muslim neighbor’s dog is crapping in your yard, and you complain, or call the cops on him, you may have a jihad proclaimed against you……




    Yet the people of Islam dance in the streets when ever he is successful at killing civilians.

    all your replies to C's answers are so immature , that shows u dotn know the religion of ISLAM as what it stands for rather u r Stereotyping the religion from how the Muslims practice it , 2 different things my friend ........... or is it that u just HATE islam generally then u r very right in what u just said .

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    Quote Originally Posted by zOaib
    all your replies to C's answers are so immature , that shows u dotn know the religion of ISLAM as what it stands for rather u r Stereotyping the religion from how the Muslims practice it , 2 different things my friend ........... or is it that u just HATE islam generally then u r very right in what u just said .
    Can’t argue with what I have stated so you attack my post as being immature, I see………

    Quote Originally Posted by zOaib
    u r Stereotyping the religion from how the Muslims practice it
    You agree with me, in that Muslims practice Islam by killing innocent civilians, women and children..
    What better way to judge a people than by their acts.

    That’s great I think this is a real breakthrough for you!

    I simply know of the religion of Islam by the acts of its members. Which mostly are of an inhuman nature.

    I don't hate Islam, just lies and blood lust that drives it.

    Come on Islam, be honest, and admit that blood lust drives the religion. Tell the truth and shame the devil.

    I wonder if the Koran it teaches speaking out of both sides of your mouth, because its members and leaders seem to excel at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigen12
    I wonder if the Koran it teaches speaking out of both sides of your mouth, because its members and leaders seem to excel at it.
    Wow. That was a bitch slap if I have ever seen one.

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    The leaders of Islam speak, call for the blood of innocents and the followers obey......

    HADERA, Israel - A Palestinian suicide bomber standing in line at a crowded falafel stand blew himself up Wednesday in this central Israeli town, killing five people and injuring 21, police and rescuers said.


    The bombing — the first suicide attack in nearly two months — eroded hopes that Israel's Gaza pullout would revive peace talks.

    Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the blast, saying it was in retaliation for the killing of a top militant leader by Israeli troops earlier this week.

    "This is another link in the murderous chain of terrorism served up by the Palestinian Authority, which continues to do nothing to stop these terror attacks," said Israeli government spokesman David Baker. "The Palestinian Authority should once and for all disarm and dismantle the terror organization."
    I just bet the leader of the terrorist nation Iran, is so pleased with himself, with the knowledge that he asked for and received 5 more bloody notches on his Koran.

    Israelis kill a soldier, and the terrorists kill innocent women and children.

    Status quo for the nation of Islam……………………..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigen12
    The leaders of Islam speak, call for the blood of innocents and the followers obey......


    I just bet the leader of the terrorist nation Iran, is so pleased with himself, with the knowledge that he asked for and received 5 more bloody notches on his Koran.

    Israelis kill a soldier, and the terrorists kill innocent women and children.

    Status quo for the nation of Islam……………………..
    when israel assassinated the resistance member louay in the islamic jihad they killed a woman and a baby ,go make a search in the news agencies to be sure, so I was expecting a palestinian operation inside "israel", when I first heard the assassination news and the death of a baby I told my friends that an operation will happen in the following days.

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    http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/new...ervice_id=9919

    Israeli army kills top West Bank fighter
    10/24/2005 10:00:00 AM GMT

    The bodies of the two Palestinian fighters killed by Israeli troops in Tulkarem


    Israeli occupation forces shot dead a top commander of the Palestinian resistance group Islamic Jihad during a raid on the occupied West Bank, Israel Radio reported, according to Reuters news agency.

    According to the radio, Luay Saadi is a prime target who belonged to al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. Reports say Saadi helped carry out several attacks in Israeli cities.

    Another al Aqsa Martyrs fighter was also killed Sunday as Israeli troops carried out an arrest raid in the northern West Bank city of Tulkarm.

    There has been no confirmation of the killings from the Palestinians.

    An Israeli military spokesman said an Israeli soldier was also wounded in a gun battle that took place after an undercover army unit surrounded a Palestinian hideout during the operation.

    Witnesses told the Associated Press news agency a large pool of blood was left behind in the stairwell of the building.

    The Israeli spokesman said six men were arrested by soldiers in the town, and that 20 others were detained in other raids in other towns in the occupied territory.

    Israeli troops have killed many Palestinians, including a top resistance fighter, in the West Bank in the past week, in sporadic violence that could end an eight-month ceasefire.

    Meanwhile, Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia said a project is underway to train Al Aqsa fighters as police officers and incorporate them into security forces.

    "We have agreed today to establish five new camps for training and hosting 'stragglers'" from Al Aqsa who have not turned in their weapons, Qureia said on Sunday. "We have a plan and we have started implementing it."

    Previous attempts to disarm Al Aqsa fighters weren’t successful. An offer by the Palestinian government to buy arms from fighters fizzled, and earlier projects to give fighters posts in security services failed.

    In a separate development, Palestinian authorities reopened the main border crossing between the Gaza Strip and Egypt on Sunday for 48 hours for humanitarian reasons.

    Israel closed the Rafah crossing just before leaving Gaza last month.

    Palestinian officials said they expected 6,000 Palestinians to return to the Gaza Strip by Tuesday morning.


    I was able to find this on the killing of the top militant leader, nothing I found mentioned the killing of a woman or a baby.

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    I am not going to respond directly to anti-Islamic people.

    But Islam is a religion of peace, Islam is against terrorism, Islam is against killing civilians of any kind, Jews and Christians are to be protected in Islam.

    Jihad is a very important part of Islam, but that is when others bear arm against you, and you are required to defend yourself.

    Islam is the perfect religion. Islam is the final religion. Islam is the right religion.

    Their intention is to extinguish Allah’s Light with their mouths: But Allah will complete (the revelation of) His light, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it.)

    Surah 61:8 Al Saff

    All Unbelievers are invited to destroy this Revelation of Allah's Light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigen12
    Can’t argue with what I have stated so you attack my post as being immature, I see………


    You agree with me, in that Muslims practice Islam by killing innocent civilians, women and children..
    What better way to judge a people than by their acts.

    That’s great I think this is a real breakthrough for you!

    I simply know of the religion of Islam by the acts of its members. Which mostly are of an inhuman nature.

    I don't hate Islam, just lies and blood lust that drives it.

    Come on Islam, be honest, and admit that blood lust drives the religion. Tell the truth and shame the devil.

    I wonder if the Koran it teaches speaking out of both sides of your mouth, because its members and leaders seem to excel at it.

    maybe u wanna ask your redneck forefathers who genocided the native indians about blood lust in the name of religion , or the dead black slaves they dragged behind horses and hung on trees , ( even after they accepted chrisitanity ) how they VIEW christianity .............. or u may wanna ask the excess of iraqi or afghani civilians who got carpet bombed because of one or two sand nigger terrorists hiding in a hut near by , but its collateral damage because the white supremacisits dont feel secure , just like how the same cowards atom bombed the civilains of japan to stop its military , interesting


    u wanna read some history of the muslims specially how the 4 kaliphs ruled right after Muhammed (pbuh) death ............... the best example u will find there , i do admit we have degraded from there on but after every fall there is a rise ................ or better yet just watch the movie KINGDOM OF HEAVEN , will give u a good idea how blood monger muslims really are ................ better yet read the WHOLE quran for yourself and dont take a muslims word for it ................... trust me .

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    Quote Originally Posted by zOaib
    maybe u wanna ask your redneck forefathers who genocided the native indians about blood lust in the name of religion , or the dead black slaves they dragged behind horses and hung on trees , ( even after they accepted chrisitanity ) how they VIEW christianity ..............
    I look back at what some of my forefathers did to the Indians and to the black slaves, and thank god that we have learned to be a more civilized race.


    Quote Originally Posted by zOaib
    i do admit we have degraded from there on but after every fall there is a rise ................
    So you see it too.

    What I have posted in this thread is how the every day American views the nation of Islam.
    I didn’t sugar coat it, I gave it to you straight.

    I perfectly realize that the majority of the followers of Islam are peaceful citizens, however when some of these peaceful citizens dance in the streets, following the killing of as they describe infidels, the world watches, and takes note.

    I truly hope that the followers of Islam wake up in time to root out these zealots before they doom their religion to one of blood thirsty terrorists that must be wiped from the face of the earth.

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    i will agree just maybe the american people have become civilized since then , but not the government , and all the enemies we have today are because of the civilized behaviour of our government .................. WW2 aint that far back , japan hit our MILITARY target , we KILLED civilains with a Atom bomb ........... very civilized indeed ............... OUR government is capable of becomming an animal at will .............. which is pure nature of the beast , whether be Muslims , Jews or any race on the face of the planet , the beast comes out when u are limited to options , so HELL no , we are still not civilized , only when there is temporary peace and no unsecurity .

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    Islam has serious problems from a philosophical standpoint

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    Islam is against killing civilians, very against killing fellow muslims, against suicide.

    But Islam does not cause the terrorism, its wanting to get revenge and anger, human emotions that causes terrorism.

    But it is totally acceptable in Islam to attack people that attack you. So in Islam it is totally acceptable to attack the IDF, Russian Army, US army etc.

    If a person draws a gun against you, your country, your religion, it is a duty to fight them.
    so when the USA was attacked they (muslims) understand why were are there killing them.. its not that they are muslim that we are killing them, it's because they do, or enable others to kill us..

    cool..

    thanks for justifying the deaths of muslims by the US army..
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    peaceful religion my ass, Ive been living in egypt for a long time....hahahahahaha thats the funniest joke ive ever heard , Islam is a peacful religion


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    Quote Originally Posted by spywizard
    so when the USA was attacked they (muslims) understand why were are there killing them.. its not that they are muslim that we are killing them, it's because they do, or enable others to kill us..

    cool..

    thanks for justifying the deaths of muslims by the US army..
    not that we need any , but I dunno wtf theyre bitching about , I dont see them just sitting there being all peaceful and shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by books555
    Islam has serious problems from a philosophical standpoint
    That is a ludicrous comment, especially when it comes from a follower of Christianity, because of Christianity's serious philopohical dilemmas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spywizard
    so when the USA was attacked they (muslims) understand why were are there killing them.. its not that they are muslim that we are killing them, it's because they do, or enable others to kill us..

    cool..

    thanks for justifying the deaths of muslims by the US army..
    The Afghan invasion was justifiable, but not the Iraqi invasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    That is a ludicrous comment, especially when it comes from a follower of Christianity, because of Christianity's serious philopohical dilemmas.


    Know, now I am going to show many of the problems with Islam. Its time to put you on the defense, feel free to attack the New Testament, I have all the weak allegations you bring against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    The Afghan invasion was justifiable, but not the Iraqi invasion.

    When is Jihad justified

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    Is Allah personal or impersonal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
    I was expecting a palestinian operation inside "israel", when I first heard the assassination news and the death of a baby I told my friends that an operation will happen in the following days.

    Hail Islam's new prophet!.



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    Quote Originally Posted by books555
    Know, now I am going to show many of the problems with Islam. Its time to put you on the defense, feel free to attack the New Testament, I have all the weak allegations you bring against it.
    As I said a Christian shouldnt be talking about philosophical problems with Islam, a Jewish person can but not a Christian person, because Christianity itself is a philosophical dilemma.

    What would your GOD do, turn the other cheek, or eye for an eye?

    Dilemmas are all over the place. Jesus (PBUH) does not share the same characteristics as GOD if you look at the New Testament compared to the Old. You can deny it and ignore it, but its a fact.

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