Thread: Does GOD Exist ??? 4 Johan !
10-31-2005, 06:08 PM #1
Does GOD Exist ??? 4 Johan !
hey johan i found this , i find this to be the utmost simple explanation which has some weight to it if u think about it !
This Is good and it makes so much sense to have it said this way!
Does God Exist?
This is one of the best explanations of why God allows pain and suffering that I have seen.
It's an explanation many people may understand.
A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As the barber began to work,
they began to have a good conversation. They talked about so many things and various subjects.
When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said: "I don't believe that God exists."
"Why do you say that?" asked the customer. "Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn't exist. Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain. I can't imagine a loving God who would allow all of these things."
The custom er thought for a moment, but didn't respond because he didn't want to start an argument.
The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop. Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and unkempt.
The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to the barber: "You know what?
Barbers do not exist." "How can you say that?" asked the surprised barber. "I am here, and I am a barber.
And I just worked on you!" "No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside."
"Ah, but barbers DO exist! What happens is, people do not come to me."
"Exactly!"- affirmed the customer. "That's the point! God, too, DOES exist! What happens, is, people don't go to Him and do not look for Him. That's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world."
10-31-2005, 07:18 PM #2
10-31-2005, 09:56 PM #3
10-31-2005, 11:42 PM #4Originally Posted by zOaib
is that even when people do "come to me," pain and suffering STILL continues.
For instance, that preacher who was electrocuted while doing baptisms in front of God and everybody . . . what's up with that?
KWTX-TV (Waco, TX): Rev. Kyle Lake, the pastor of Waco's University Baptist Church, died Sunday morning in a freak accident during a baptism as his congregation looked on in horror.
Lake was in the process of baptizing a woman at about 10:30 a.m. Sunday at the church at South 17th Street and Dutton Avenue when a microphone fell in the baptismal.
Of course, another minor problem with this little story is that it is just a story; a work of fiction, much like the fiction it is being used to prop up. It makes no use to complain about such things, however, as writers of religious stuff are reduced to working with fictions. Ain't nothin' else to work with.
Regardless, what sort of evil demon would create and salt the planet with hookworms and leeches and cancer viruses and scabies and elephantitis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephantiasis and birth defects and blindness and deafness?
Go ahead and worship the one you think created such things, if you must, demon that it is. The rest of us will free our minds from primitive fictions and figure out ways to overcome these things that your god created.
11-01-2005, 02:56 AM #5Originally Posted by Tock
11-01-2005, 04:07 AM #6
I think Im gonna puke
11-01-2005, 04:10 AM #7Originally Posted by IronFreakX
11-01-2005, 04:13 AM #8Originally Posted by zOaib
11-01-2005, 04:14 AM #9Originally Posted by Tock
so basically u have closed all the options yourself. JMO
11-01-2005, 04:16 AM #10Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
11-01-2005, 04:29 AM #11Originally Posted by zOaib
yea he is a stanist wannabe , but he is too afraid to say it in real life because he will get his ass kicked.
he lives in egypt right , yep i know he takes his agrevation out on the forums in real life he cant even talk infornt of ppl , definately would get executed in egypt for that.
One day in the future, admitting that ur a muslim will get u hanged....till then nothing but love for ya
11-01-2005, 05:04 AM #12
Whatever Satan worshipper.
11-01-2005, 05:15 AM #13Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
11-01-2005, 05:32 AM #14
A statement coming from a Satan worshipper who wears a tongue ring.
Going for the Marilyn Manson look?
11-01-2005, 05:49 AM #15
you going for this look???
With the help of this.....
But be careful , not to end up like this.....
oh and it's a lip ring , not a tongue ring
11-01-2005, 05:52 AM #16
A lip ring is even worse. Hahahahaha. Oh man, they dont make men like they used to.
And those fashions are better than your idol Marilyn Manson's.
11-01-2005, 06:00 AM #17Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
oooo and I love the one in the orange with the dog pic....try that too
11-01-2005, 06:01 AM #18Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
11-01-2005, 06:04 AM #19
well , @least I dont pray like u do and put my ass up when im praying and claim that its for god , cmon we know ur gay and beggin for it..u should get urself a dominant israeli boyfriend.. good luck with that..
11-01-2005, 06:08 AM #20Originally Posted by IronFreakX
11-01-2005, 06:11 AM #21Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
11-01-2005, 06:26 AM #22Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
11-01-2005, 06:36 AM #23
Wow, you people need to grow up. Seriously.
11-01-2005, 06:41 AM #24Originally Posted by scriptfactory
11-01-2005, 07:26 AM #25Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
11-01-2005, 08:37 AM #26Originally Posted by IronFreakX
11-01-2005, 09:03 AM #27Originally Posted by zOaibAli burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
Dont count on shit like that....Ill hunt you and ur filthy kind down 1st
11-01-2005, 09:55 AM #28Originally Posted by IronFreakX
or find me a quote from the Quran where it says kill a muslim if he dicards his religion.
11-01-2005, 10:04 AM #29Originally Posted by zOaib
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
How can a peaceful religion say shit like that?
11-01-2005, 10:51 AM #30Originally Posted by IronFreakX
since u r an arab , might wanna read the arabic , the tenses will make more sense to u , thx for bringing that up.
11-01-2005, 10:52 AM #31
and the quranic quote , please refer to the rest of the verses not just one , taking things out of context is the easiest way to denounce something .
11-01-2005, 11:00 AM #32Originally Posted by zOaib
11-01-2005, 12:15 PM #33Originally Posted by BeerBaron
11-01-2005, 01:16 PM #34Originally Posted by zOaib
I know muslims who really belive and pray and asks god , but according to you
god still ****ed up their lives why? where is the justice in that?
but see I dont believe that god controls our fate....we do.....
which is why I see people living like shit cuz they dont do shit about it,,,,,,Ill save the prayers for some1 else....and stick to hard work
11-01-2005, 01:58 PM #35Originally Posted by zOaib
and Im sure if there was a omnipotent barber without any will to make profit he would give every person in existance a nice haircut
Nice read but its impossible to compare a barber with a omnipotent, all knowing entity....
11-01-2005, 01:58 PM #36
also keep in mind that pain and suffering exist only because god made them exist.
Bad haircuts isnt neccesarly the creation of the barber.
11-01-2005, 02:14 PM #37Originally Posted by johan
where did u get that theory , this Life is a TEST he designed us yes , he knows the future yes , but dont look at this in a linear dimension , that since he made us he knows which one will come the rest are just bound to hell , that is not so , what it is that some of us have just chosen hell for ourselves and not salvation , the meaning to destiny and fate are not as linear as u think them to be , God is Multi-dimentional .......... and the free will is not a falacy its there , cause u have 2 choices right or left , and the help from God comes when u do your share of the work and have faith in the outcome , if it doesnt happen , u would be a fool to say " o crap why doesnt God do this for me and i put so much into this , f_ck religion shlizm " , ever wonder maybe that somethign was not good for u , ever had the patience to try again and do something else , or just complain complain complain ............. if u have a linear approach to Question God let me just say this u r way off my friend !
11-01-2005, 02:14 PM #38Originally Posted by zOaib
11-01-2005, 02:15 PM #39Originally Posted by johan
tell me something would u reflect on God or hope for God when u r in trouble or when u r the wealthiest man on the planet ???
11-01-2005, 02:16 PM #40Originally Posted by Rak_Ani
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