11-04-2005, 03:05 PM #1
Tampa revokes ALL religious school holidays.
A muslim group in Tampa wanted certain holy days recognized by the school board so the students could stay home and "participate". Instead of adding the muslim holidays, the school board voted to remove ALL religious holidays. The kids will still have a Christmas break, but Easter, Good Friday, Rosh, Yom Kippur. . . GONE! Not sure where I stand on this one, but I don't see why the kids can't go to school AND honor their religion either before school, after school or both. I don't think my Jewish friends spent Yom Kippur in temple all day. They went in the morning and spent the rest of the day at the beach!
11-04-2005, 03:07 PM #2
There are as many Muslims as Jews in the US. So giving the Jews holidays, and not Muslims is unfair. This new rule seems fair.
11-04-2005, 03:11 PM #3
I like it. It's a public school...they're trying to seperate church and state! You want prayer time...go to a private school that offers it.
Plus it's not a Christmas break...it's a holiday break. Nothing religious about it anymore...except that it serves as a break in terms.
11-04-2005, 03:22 PM #4Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
11-04-2005, 03:24 PM #5Originally Posted by SMYL_GR8
Religious breakdown of the US.
Protestant 52%, Roman Catholic 24%, Mormon 2%, Jewish 1%, Muslim 1%, other 10%, none 10% (2002 est.)
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11-04-2005, 03:30 PM #6Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
11-04-2005, 04:01 PM #7Originally Posted by SMYL_GR8
11-04-2005, 04:50 PM #8
Were are losing alot of american tradition, if muslims dont like our culture, they can go somewhere else for instance a private school, or home schooling. There is no reason we should continue to give up American tradition to suite the needs of a select groop or groups. No offense Caus.. but I hope this country never allows public schools to honor muslim holidays. The liberals are doing a great job of what they do best. There will pry be more cases such as this one, which will give the ACLU a good chance of accomplishing just one of its many goals.
ACLU co-founder, Roger Baldwin, once stated, “Communism is the goal… I don’t regret being part of the Communist tactic. I knew what I was doing. I was not an innocent Liberal.”
Here is another good ex.
In 2003, the ACLU sponsored a major conference titled "Human Rights at Home: International Law in U.S. Courts" at the Carter Center in Atlanta. A declared purpose of the conference was to "[use] international law and human rights norms to advance justice in U.S. courts." Far from featuring a collection of obscure leftists, invited panelists included Federal Judge Myron Thompson (of Justice Roy Moore fame) and U.S. Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer among many other leading jurists from around the country.
The organizers did not view the conference as simply an academic exercise. ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero stated, "Our goal is no less than to forge a new era of social justice where the principles of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights are recognized and enforced in the United States."
We are going to loose the sanctity of marriage soon thanks to the ACLU.
The result is that today the ACLU is a leading advocate of same-sex "marriage," and has expressed support for polygamy and polyamory ("open" marriage) as well. The ACLU Policy Guide reads:
The ACLU believes that criminal and civil laws prohibiting or penalizing the practice of plural marriage [polygamy or polyamory] violate constitutional protections of freedom of expression and association, freedom of religion, and privacy for personal relationships among consenting adults.
While many accept the ACLU as a mainstream organization, their history tells a drastically different story. Organizations such as the Alliance Defense Fund are dedicated to exposing the myth that the ACLU is working hard for the First Amendment rights of Americans. Instead of being an organization that simply took a "wrong turn," the ACLU has devoted itself from the very beginning to the devastation of America's most cherished traditions, values, and laws.
11-04-2005, 05:01 PM #9Associate Member
Originally Posted by SMYL_GR8
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wow, i usually favor secularisation of things and seperating church and state, but getting rid of all religious holidays seems drastic
11-04-2005, 06:06 PM #10
It would be a terrible thing for both the family and society if the ACLU is succesful in redefining marriage. Society would begin to change drastically, I guarentee it.
11-04-2005, 06:38 PM #11Originally Posted by SMYL_GR8
someone needs to sue their asses on bases of freedom to practice religion.
i dotn see how unconvenient it would be for one day taken off for a religious holiday.
11-04-2005, 07:23 PM #12
i wonder if a christian asked for the same thing in somalia, turkey, oman etc what would happen?
11-04-2005, 07:43 PM #13Originally Posted by books555
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11-04-2005, 07:44 PM #14
but i guess thats the beauty of the u.s.
11-04-2005, 07:49 PM #15Originally Posted by zOaib
If one religion gets to have official holidays recognized so that the school closes, then all the other religions get to have their holidays recognized the same way, as well. Wouldn't be long before the schools closed down all year long.
Makes more sense to take a break at the semester halfway point, and let folks take their kids out for whatever occasion happens to come up.
11-04-2005, 07:55 PM #16
sounds like bullshit to me
11-04-2005, 08:02 PM #17
WAIT..actually now that i think about it, what religious days do any of your kids get off?? easter is on a sunday. i didnt get off good friday. and they still allow christmas break.. what else is there besides christmas? hehe. so isnt it the same? did your public schools get off for rosh or yom kippur?
11-05-2005, 08:33 AM #18Originally Posted by Tock
11-05-2005, 08:35 AM #19Originally Posted by books555
I know people that recently took a day of for Eid (Muslim Holiday) and their absense was excused.
11-05-2005, 08:39 AM #20
I think there should be no school holidays....
Let the little boogers go to school 5 days a week 52 weeks a year!!!
11-05-2005, 12:11 PM #21Originally Posted by books555
Second, books, We aren't losing American tradition, we are losing christian tradition. The muslims are just as wrong as you are books. So while something like "one nation under god" in the pledge may constitute a tradition, forcing everyone to act in accordance with a christian holy day is not tradition, it's ludicrious. If you want religious holy days in schools books555, I suggest you take your own advice and seek private or home schooling.
11-05-2005, 12:44 PM #22Originally Posted by SMYL_GR8
11-05-2005, 07:29 PM #23
again i ask, do your kids really get all these religious holidays off?
11-06-2005, 08:52 AM #24Originally Posted by AIZ
Most of the 1% Jews in the US can probably be found in Politics and the Entertainment industry. Basically they can be found in places with a big audience.
11-06-2005, 09:01 AM #25
Actually, George Washington among others had a very deep and fond respect for the Jewish People. While we are involved in politics and entertainment, we are also involved deeply in the humanitarian sector, medicine, science, and much more...just like the rest of Americans. In other words, our jobs are exactly the same as other Americans...you just see a Jew so its different. We are simply a part of the 300 million American population
11-07-2005, 07:50 AM #26Originally Posted by AIZ
So outside of the hightened visibility associated with these races, I also thought the sheer # was higher. I believe there are more than one million Persians alone in California let alone all other mid-east races and ther other 49 states.
11-07-2005, 11:43 AM #27
In sweden we have thursday and friday off during the easter week and christmas offcourse. We also have one or 2 more religious days off but cant for the life of me remember what days. Other holidays are not religious(well some is linked to pagan traditions).
11-07-2005, 07:56 PM #28
11-07-2005, 08:09 PM #29Originally Posted by BeerBaron
How did you come to your conclusion on your first sentence?
Religious holiday off time would still violate "seperation of church and state" according to your ideology. It would be a system created for those who have a worldview they celebrate.
----"more reasonable and logical parents could get their way"
THis statement is false." Truth has it basis in God. A person who does not believe in God cannot make any Objective statements with out being contradictory. Therefor your objection is meaningless. A parent who holds to the atheistic worldview could be called foolish, she would be using reason and logic in attempt to pove her view correct vs. competing views. Logic and truth only exist if God exists. (I assume you are trying to say that it is more reasonable for parents to protect there children from a belief in God). Reason and logic donot exist apart from a omniscent God, but God is what your trying to disprove rather than prove. The problem is, you have excluded the very cause (God) who is the very cornerstone which gives your statements meaning (statements true or false)
( I am assuming you donot believe in God, if you did, then you wouldnt be making these types of comments)
What is your definition of a fanatic. If you are calling me a fanatic, take a look at many of your statements hostile to christianity. Atheistic fanatic amaybe, I dont know. I respect you, take no offense. I have trouble believing that any sane human being could be a atheist, especially if they understand all the baggage that comes with it. "Time +Matter+Chance created the human intellect". I dont understand how someone could actually come to this conclusion, It would almost seem that "they have predetermined there position (atheism) and no amount of evidence could knock it out of them.
The atheist attempts to use logic, rationalism, ect. to disprove Gods existence. But true Logic only exists if God exists. Do you see the problem. In attempting to disprove Gods existence, they end up proving Gods existence by using knowledge (which they believe is true) that cannot exist apart from a infinite being.
My last statements is referring to ( -A +Theism) Atheism: no God
11-07-2005, 08:19 PM #30Originally Posted by Money Boss Hustla
11-07-2005, 08:20 PM #31
"The ubiquitous American Civil Liberties Union, ever present to eradicate belief from the public square, lent its oppressive muscle to those who denied any government or state agency the freedom to put up a Christmas tree, or children to sing Christmas carols in schools. In keeping with that hollowness, a vacuous ceremonial pronouncement came at the lighting for the “People’s Tree” on Capitol Hill. This way the ceremony only offended the people for whom the tree was a celebration of the true meaning of Christmas and protected the rights of those who want the benefits of the season without the reason.
"One civil libertarian, yes, one, demanded of a school in New Jersey that no Christmas tunes be played because it was not just the words that offended his sensitivities but the melodies as well. I heard one well-known talk-show host, a guru of psychological harmony and wellbeing, acknowledge that she would be offended if she were wished a “Merry Christmas.” Is the day coming when someone will be uncomfortable with “Good Morning” as a greeting because the word “good” is a derivative of God and they would not want to offend an atheist?
"To be sure, this bigotry has come from our new cultural ethos of tolerance—something by which cultural liberals mean a society that allows only their views to be expressed in public while banishing everyone else’s views to their private chambers. And so the “Happy Holidays” rolled in on the heels of “Turkey Day” with the spirited haters of the season venting their vitriol against those whom they castigate for “audaciously claiming” these to be religious holidays. (Fortunately, most of them do not realize that the very word “holiday” is derived from the word “holy” or that would send them poring through a revisionist dictionary to re-baptize that word as well!) This microcosm is only a small portion of the bigger picture: Western civilization is on the verge of spiritual bankruptcy as it moves steadily towards cultural suicide.
Take these statements by Ravi seriously
"Those who seek to change our vocabulary are gradually eradicating the relationship between truth and culture, between the past and the present. They want to remove all markers that brought us this far. They should be sure that if they continue in this way the very worldview they have put into place will one day eradicate them as well. Do you remember the words of Martin Niemoller who tried to warn those who remained silent to the Nazi atrocities? He said,
First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me."
Those who wipe out the memory of the Christian faith will find out that the logic of their position may one day lead someone to wipe them out as well, and there will be no belief left to come to their aide, for there will be no one left with reason to speak of loving those who despise you."
This is a brilliant article, Ravi is a mountian concerning philosophy of the mind and culture. Read the whole article
11-07-2005, 08:59 PM #32Originally Posted by books555
11-07-2005, 09:02 PM #33Originally Posted by books555
11-08-2005, 12:13 AM #34Originally Posted by books555
Nevertheless, it's true.
Check out their website for details if you're interested.
11-08-2005, 01:14 PM #35Originally Posted by Tock
11-08-2005, 01:34 PM #36Originally Posted by RockSolid
As long as you don't ask them to help you with a Second Amendment case.
They are just like a lot of other political groups, they have their own agenda.
11-08-2005, 01:43 PM #37the ACLU is the most American organization there is. Recently neocons/zionists have attacked the ACLU but the ACLU follows true AMERICAN principles.
Originally posted by Books555
"We are going to loose the sanctity of marriage soon thanks to the ACLU.
The result is that today the ACLU is a leading advocate of same-sex "marriage," and has expressed support for polygamy and polyamory ("open" marriage) as well. The ACLU Policy Guide reads:"
Number of marriages: 2,187,000
Marriage rate: 7.5 per 1,000 total population
Divorce rate: 3.8 per 1,000 population
(46 reporting States and D.C.)
-As of Nov 5, 2005
"Marriage" in America today is about as sacred as our Holidays. More then half end in Divorce, its like returns for gifts that suck at Christmas time.
Personally I am very thankful we have a group like the ACLU who steadfastly protect the rights and interests of ALL Americans, not just the ones you, or you or we might agree with.
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11-09-2005, 12:31 AM #38Originally Posted by Bigen12
11-09-2005, 12:33 AM #39Originally Posted by Bigen12
11-09-2005, 01:58 PM #40Originally Posted by SMYL_GR8
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