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    Do you hate GOD?

    Do you hate god (if you even believe in him,) or love and respect him for putting you here and giving you life. Or are you neutral and don't know what to believe. What I am really asking is "Do you appreciate being alive?"

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    Dont know what to believe,just get on with living,having fun and appreciating being here

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    LOVE GOD with every inch of my soul !

    we cant even grasp of how much we owe to him for , because he made us from nothing to being something. an awareness in something called life and made us part of something unexplainably BIG.

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    I'm agnostic.

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    I can't love or hate something that doesn't exist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Money Boss Hustla
    I'm agnostic.
    Meaning neutral?

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    Why would one who believes in God hate him?

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    --^ I know plenty of people who believe in him and hate him for creating them. Sort of like just to toy with them. To show his power in the worst way possible.

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    Believe in G-d, Love G-d, Talk to G-d, you name it...I love the little F&^Ker. Life is awesome!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by inspector_injector
    --^ I know plenty of people who believe in him and hate him for creating them. Sort of like just to toy with them. To show his power in the worst way possible.
    Hmm..... That seems like it belongs in my thread regarding religious devotion and psychosis. The fact that you know a abundance of people who feel that way is disturbing. Sounds like these people are stuck in a rut of severe depression coupled with a strong religious devotion, and go around in self defeating circle of self hate. I would encourage these people you know to seek clinical help.


    So barring any mental illness, why would one hate the god they believe in?

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    I think he doesnt love us at all!

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    --^^ You really don't make any sense brother. Do you believe in the government? Yes. Do you hate them for what they are doing? Yes. So how is it not possible to hate something you know exists?

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    That last post I made was directed towards beerbaron not towards 3Vandoo, he just happened to post right before me.

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    But in say christianity, god is only good, and is not capable of evil. How can you hate something that is only good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by inspector_injector
    That last post I made was directed towards beerbaron not towards 3Vandoo, he just happened to post right before me.

    LOL, yeah just spent 5min thinking "wtf" is he saying

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    Ok, ill stop beating aroud the bush. This is where I was going with the arguement. The question "Do you hate god if you believe in him" does not seem valid because if you truly believe in lets say the christian god, you could not hate him with out contradicting the belief in him according to the christian faith. So in the context of christianity, it is self defeating to believe in the god you hate. I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerBaron
    But in say christianity, god is only good, and is not capable of evil. How can you hate something that is only good?
    I am not speaking of Christianity or any religion. Just secular propositions.
    Nor am I saying he is good or evil. I am saying the "CREATOR" as using the word god.

    How can you hate something that is good? Easy, if you are evil you may hate it.

    I for one don't know if the "creator" is good or evil. But I believe in the creator and all I am asking is do you hate or love him for putting you here.

    Also, I would really appreciate if you posted your statuses in my status thread so I know who I am talking to, since I openly gave my status not being ashamed of what I represent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inspector_injector
    I am not speaking of Christianity or any religion. Just secular propositions.
    Nor am I saying he is good or evil. I am saying the "CREATOR" as using the word god.

    How can you hate something that is good? Easy, if you are evil you may hate it.

    I for one don't know if the "creator" is good or evil. But I believe in the creator and all I am asking is do you hate or love him for putting you here.

    Also, I would really appreciate if you posted your statuses in my status thread so I know who I am talking to, since I openly gave my status not being ashamed of what I represent.
    fair enough. In the context of god as a neutral creator, if such a thing exists. I supose I would love him for setting the universe into motion, and in turn creating my life. But do you understand how the question "do you hate the god you believe in" is invalid to many people?


    Ill tell you what, you can PM me if you truly wish to know my information. I really think people labeling them selves publicly, specially in the context of an arguement, is just a step backwards. Assuming your best interest is in reason, and not winning your side.

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    Thank you for being a cool brother, and I don't want to have any enemies. I will PM you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerBaron
    Why would one who believes in God hate him?

    Read about the death of stalin

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    Job's wife told Job to curse God and die.

    I agree it is totally irrational to believe in God and hate him.

    Its like telling someone to put on a pair of tennis shoes and kick a tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerBaron
    Ok, ill stop beating aroud the bush. This is where I was going with the arguement. The question "Do you hate god if you believe in him" does not seem valid because if you truly believe in lets say the christian god, you could not hate him with out contradicting the belief in him according to the christian faith. So in the context of christianity, it is self defeating to believe in the god you hate. I think
    Christian G-d, Islamic G-d, Jewish G-d...all moderate and understanding men of faith teach us we all believe in the same G-d...just use different methods

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    not true. thats the muslim view. you can never say never...(but ill say it knowing theres probably someone) but you'll never hear a christian say that the christian god is the same as the islam god is the same as any god. the christian God is totally different than all the other "gods". of course hes the one and only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by max2extreme
    not true. thats the muslim view. you can never say never...(but ill say it knowing theres probably someone) but you'll never hear a christian say that the christian god is the same as the islam god is the same as any god. the christian God is totally different than all the other "gods". of course hes the one and only.
    I'm Jewish and my Rabbi teaches us that, in the end of the day, we all believe in the same G-d. You don't have to buy it, as I'm not selling anything...just a thought

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    just tryin to get you/rabbi's view on this, not selling or buying (*smile*) either... but are you saying that in the end of the day, you/rabbi believe Jesus is God? because God is either a "trinity One" like christians believe, or Hes not. We christians believe He is. Muslims believe Hes not. doesnt that make it impossible to say that what the christians believe is God is the same as what the muslims say is God?

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    if I believed in god, I would hate him...

    there are innocent people dying and suffering every day, children being born addicted to crack, or with HIV or handicapped, Jihad, white supremecy, serial killers, rapists, child molesters even canabals ...

    if there is a god, he obviously dosent give a shit, I used to go to church as a child, and there were many times during my horrific childhood where I begged for his mercy with tears in my eyes and never got one second of relief...

    I am well adjusted as an adult ( mostly ) and embracing the fact that there is no god has helped me alot... now I can concentrate my hatred on the people in this world that deserve it and I know god has nothing to do with anything...

    the belief of god, or in organized religion has caused more war, death and suffering than any other single Idea...

    so yeah if there in fact was a god, he is one sorry mother F**ker and he can keep his religion, his "son" who he whipped up out of fairy dust and sent to earth to die for out sins... so we could spend the rest of our lives begging for his forgiveness and making us tithe 10% of our earnings...

    the same God by the way that is all knowing, so he knew eve would sin in the garden of eden and knew about the crucifiction and that he would have to send his creations to hell for an eternity... and yet he still created us???

    what kind of an A$$hole god is that!!!

    but thats just my oppinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danbrooks2k
    if I believed in god, I would hate him...

    there are innocent people dying and suffering every day, children being born addicted to crack, or with HIV or handicapped, Jihad, white supremecy, serial killers, rapists, child molesters even canabals ...

    if there is a god, he obviously dosent give a shit
    so, if you believed in god, youd be mad at him because he didnt stop man from being evil? god didnt make the rapist rape, or god didnt make the killer kill, etc etc.

    would you be mad, if you believed in god, and your food and drink was provided and there were no evil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danbrooks2k


    the same God by the way that is all knowing, so he knew eve would sin in the garden of eden and knew about the crucifiction and that he would have to send his creations to hell for an eternity... and yet he still created us???
    perhaps the good reasons for creation outweigh the bad....

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    Quote Originally Posted by max2extreme
    perhaps the good reasons for creation outweigh the bad....
    Look at how the world is today, how is that possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danbrooks2k
    if I believed in god, I would hate him...

    there are innocent people dying and suffering every day, children being born addicted to crack, or with HIV or handicapped, Jihad, white supremecy, serial killers, rapists, child molesters even canabals ...

    if there is a god, he obviously dosent give a shit, I used to go to church as a child, and there were many times during my horrific childhood where I begged for his mercy with tears in my eyes and never got one second of relief...

    I am well adjusted as an adult ( mostly ) and embracing the fact that there is no god has helped me alot... now I can concentrate my hatred on the people in this world that deserve it and I know god has nothing to do with anything...

    the belief of god, or in organized religion has caused more war, death and suffering than any other single Idea...

    so yeah if there in fact was a god, he is one sorry mother F**ker and he can keep his religion, his "son" who he whipped up out of fairy dust and sent to earth to die for out sins... so we could spend the rest of our lives begging for his forgiveness and making us tithe 10% of our earnings...

    the same God by the way that is all knowing, so he knew eve would sin in the garden of eden and knew about the crucifiction and that he would have to send his creations to hell for an eternity... and yet he still created us???

    what kind of an A$$hole god is that!!!

    but thats just my oppinion
    I think that we're thinking similar, except that I think that God might have died. I think that he created time and space never ending, but he died. Now, we are all god. We can make this universe heaven, or hell. Right now our own greed for sex, money and power has driven us to create a hell. If god was still alive, I don't think he would allow all of this suffering. I don't even know what to say anymore. Our brains are not evolved enough to understand what we want to. Think of how long it would take a fishes brain to evolve into ours. We have fish brains compared to gods brains.

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    well you can hardly compare all of creation to just the bad time that we live in. its gonna get continually worse the closer we get.

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    That's true. But closer to what? The end? We are obviously going to be the next mass extinction. And they way things are going so far, it looks like it's not too far away.

    1.) Global Warming
    2.) War (Possible nuclear threats)
    3.) Hurricanes, floods, earth quakes
    4.) Money, money and more MONEY
    5.) Lack of human resources
    6.) And did I forget to say money?

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    yes, the "end"...or imo, the return. and i agree, as we are now, we will definatly be the next mass extinction.

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    The return? Of Jesus? I'm not sure. I mean we are all people. But think about dinosaurs and insects and so on. Non-humans. Do they have phrophets to tell them where they go when they die (heaven?) Do they have intelligence to know about life? Or do they simply exist in the chain of life?? Eating, sleeping, reproducing and passing on. I'm not arguing with your last post. I'm just saying that we as humans dig too deep with thoughts and this is why we are at.

    God created the dinosaurs and he saw that they had too much power, he destroyed them with molten lava and an ice age. God is now seeing that he has given us too much wisdom, he is near ready to destroy us. What will come next?

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    well i would say that because we humans dig deep with thoughts, thats evidence in my opinion that we are different than dinosaurs, insects, etc. i dont know whether we'll see animals and such in heaven or not, but i definatly think that if so, it has nothing to do with how the animals lived like it is for man.

    and yea, i meant the return of jesus. why God destroyed the dinosaurs i dont know. god definatly is going to destroy man as we know it. and what will come next is 1000 years of us, except without sinful actions/thoughts, living in paradise. thats my belief.

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    I wonder if using steroids is considered a sin... they say the body is a temple...

    my temple can bench 315 for six sets of six reps... LOL

    I mean jesus turned water to wine, thats kinda like devine homebrewing...

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    I believe there is only one God and that is the God of the Christian Bible. The others are false religions praising and living for a fake god made by man.

    To answer the question how can God allow the evil that happens in this world. God gave Free Will to man when he created Adam. God demands our respect and you cannot have respect from someone that does not have the ability to make their own choices. God wants our love and praise but what good is this if he pre-programmed us to only do this one thing? That means we are robots and what good is having the love of a robot.

    Now on to war, rape, murder and all the other bad stuff that happens in this world. It has already been written from the beginning of time until the end of time what will happen and nothing is going to change. War, murder, rape, crimes again nature Whatever is MAN's doing not God's undoing. This world is slowly being taken over by satan which is the lord of this world, porn, lust, hate, pain, murder, divorce, rape none of which is gods plan, it is satan's and satan dances every time we lust over someone that is not our wife or when we steal or hate or kill or do anything ungodly.

    Things have always been bad, there has always been pain and suffering in this world but that is why God sent Jesus to save us from this. Does a Christian miss out on all the hardship of This Life?? not at all we are still human but to those of us that have faith in what Jesus did on the cross we will spend eternity with God in a world so wonderful no one on this earth could imagine or we would be begging to die early to get there.

    I did not grow up in church, in fact may family forbid us to talk about God, I was saved when I was 32 years old. I was at the lowest point in my life and I fell to my knees and prayed to a God I did not even know and he gave me comfort and always provides for me and my family and has never let me down even though I have turned my back on Him plenty of times.

    To answer the original question do I believe in God? YES, do I hate him? Not a chance.. Do I wish He did things on my time table and fix things how I want? YES, do I question His way of doing things? Sure but HE IS GOD and He knows all and sees all. God loves you even if you do not love Him.

    Now I am sure I will get flamed but I can live with that. I have led people to Christ and to the Kingdom of our Lord and none of them have regretted it at all. Being a child of God does mean you give up your life to gain a new life but god knows we live in our Flesh and He forgives us for the sins we do everyday as long as we truly care and repent and ask for forgiveness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danbrooks2k
    I wonder if using steroids is considered a sin... they say the body is a temple...

    my temple can bench 315 for six sets of six reps... LOL

    I mean jesus turned water to wine, thats kinda like devine homebrewing...

    It would be a sin if you could only bench 125lbs for 6 reps

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danbrooks2k
    I wonder if using steroids is considered a sin... they say the body is a temple...

    my temple can bench 315 for six sets of six reps... LOL

    I mean jesus turned water to wine, thats kinda like devine homebrewing...
    Ha, LOL bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman
    I believe there is only one God and that is the God of the Christian Bible. The others are false religions praising and living for a fake god made by man.

    To answer the question how can God allow the evil that happens in this world. God gave Free Will to man when he created Adam. God demands our respect and you cannot have respect from someone that does not have the ability to make their own choices. God wants our love and praise but what good is this if he pre-programmed us to only do this one thing? That means we are robots and what good is having the love of a robot.

    Now on to war, rape, murder and all the other bad stuff that happens in this world. It has already been written from the beginning of time until the end of time what will happen and nothing is going to change. War, murder, rape, crimes again nature Whatever is MAN's doing not God's undoing. This world is slowly being taken over by satan which is the lord of this world, porn, lust, hate, pain, murder, divorce, rape none of which is gods plan, it is satan's and satan dances every time we lust over someone that is not our wife or when we steal or hate or kill or do anything ungodly.

    Things have always been bad, there has always been pain and suffering in this world but that is why God sent Jesus to save us from this. Does a Christian miss out on all the hardship of This Life?? not at all we are still human but to those of us that have faith in what Jesus did on the cross we will spend eternity with God in a world so wonderful no one on this earth could imagine or we would be begging to die early to get there.

    I did not grow up in church, in fact may family forbid us to talk about God, I was saved when I was 32 years old. I was at the lowest point in my life and I fell to my knees and prayed to a God I did not even know and he gave me comfort and always provides for me and my family and has never let me down even though I have turned my back on Him plenty of times.

    To answer the original question do I believe in God? YES, do I hate him? Not a chance.. Do I wish He did things on my time table and fix things how I want? YES, do I question His way of doing things? Sure but HE IS GOD and He knows all and sees all. God loves you even if you do not love Him.

    Now I am sure I will get flamed but I can live with that. I have led people to Christ and to the Kingdom of our Lord and none of them have regretted it at all. Being a child of God does mean you give up your life to gain a new life but god knows we live in our Flesh and He forgives us for the sins we do everyday as long as we truly care and repent and ask for forgiveness.

    Oldman
    I for one will not flame you, as I respect the opinions of everyone who responds. But the thing is, you can't prove Jesus or the bible, but then the "believers" say "you can't prove it, you just have to have faith and know it's real." That's what really bothers me. What do the animals think? Do they know god is there, or do they just know that they are living and trying to survive?

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