11-16-2005, 07:05 AM #1
Not guilty. The "israeli" captain who put 17 bullets into a Palestinian schoolgirl
Not guilty. The Israeli captain who put 17 bullets into a Palestinian schoolgirl
· Officer ignored warnings that teenager was terrified
· Defence says 'confirming the kill' standard practice
Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
Wednesday November 16, 2005
An Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old was acquitted on all charges by a military court yesterday.The soldier, who has only been identified as "Captain R", was charged with relatively minor offences for the killing of Iman al-Hams who was shot 17 times as she ventured near an Israeli army post near Rafah refugee camp in Gaza a year ago.
The manner of Iman's killing, and the revelation of a tape recording in which the captain is warned that she was just a child who was "scared to death", made the shooting one of the most controversial since the Palestinian intifada erupted five years ago even though hundreds of other children have also died.
After the verdict, Iman's father, Samir al-Hams, said the army never intended to hold the soldier accountable.
"They did not charge him with Iman's murder, only with small offences, and now they say he is innocent of those even though he shot my daughter so many times," he said. "This was the cold-blooded murder of a girl. The soldier murdered her once and the court has murdered her again. What is the message? They are telling their soldiers to kill Palestinian children."
The military court cleared the soldier of illegal use of his weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer and perverting the course of justice by asking soldiers under his command to alter their accounts of the incident.
Capt R's lawyers argued that the "confirmation of the kill" after a suspect is shot was a standard Israeli military practice to eliminate terrorist threats.
Following the verdict, Capt R burst into tears, turned to the public benches and said: "I told you I was innocent."
The army's official account said that Iman was shot for crossing into a security zone carrying her schoolbag which soldiers feared might contain a bomb. It is still not known why the girl ventured into the area but witnesses described her as at least 100 yards from the military post which was in any case well protected.
A recording of radio exchanges between Capt R and his troops obtained by Israeli television revealed that from the beginning soldiers identified Iman as a child.
In the recording, a soldier in a watchtower radioed a colleague in the army post's operations room and describes Iman as "a little girl" who was "scared to death". After soldiers first opened fire, she dropped her schoolbag which was then hit by several bullets establishing that it did not contain explosive. At that point she was no longer carrying the bag and, the tape revealed, was heading away from the army post when she was shot.
Although the military speculated that Iman might have been trying to "lure" the soldiers out of their base so they could be attacked by accomplices, Capt R made the decision to lead some of his troops into the open. Shortly afterwards he can be heard on the recording saying that he has shot the girl and, believing her dead, then "confirmed the kill".
"I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over," he said.
Palestinian witnesses said they saw the captain shoot Iman twice in the head, walk away, turn back and fire a stream of bullets into her body.
On the tape, Capt R then "clarifies" to the soldiers under his command why he killed Iman: "This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the [security] zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed."
At no point did the Israeli troops come under attack.
The prosecution case was damaged when a soldier who initially said he had seen Capt R point his weapon at the girl's body and open fire later told the court he had fabricated the story.
Capt R claimed that he had not fired the shots at the girl but near her. However, Dr Mohammed al-Hams, who inspected the child's body at Rafah hospital, counted numerous wounds. "She has at least 17 bullets in several parts of the body, all along the chest, hands, arms, legs," he told the Guardian shortly afterwards. "The bullets were large and shot from a close distance. The most serious injuries were to her head. She had three bullets in the head. One bullet was shot from the right side of the face beside the ear. It had a big impact on the whole face."
The army's initial investigation concluded that the captain had "not acted unethically". But after some of the soldiers under his command went to the Israeli press to give a different version, the military police launched a separate investigation after which he was charged.
Capt R claimed that the soldiers under his command were out to get him because they are Jewish and he is Druze.
The following is a recording of a three-way conversation that took place between a soldier in a watchtower, an army operations room and Capt R, who shot the girl
From the watchtower "It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward." "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?" "A girl about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death." "I think that one of the positions took her out." "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."
From the operations room "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?"
Watchtower "A girl about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death."
A few minutes later, Iman is shot from one of the army posts
Watchtower "I think that one of the positions took her out."
Captain R "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."
Capt R then "clarifies" why he killed Iman
"This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over."
Last edited by MilitiaGuy; 11-16-2005 at 07:07 AM.
11-16-2005, 07:07 AM #2
The Israelies will spin this nicely. Its never their fault, nothing is ever their fault.
11-16-2005, 07:09 AM #3
I am not surprised that iman's father lost the case since it was held in israel ?!
isnt there justice at all?? what about amnesty international and bringing the case to the court of human rights?
hmm but then again i guess it will be hard as the israeli have the license to kill policy and the only country together with the us who can not be charged !
11-16-2005, 07:15 AM #4
According to the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz (Dec. 13), Israeli Knesset Member, Ayoub Kara, said that Captain R. should be cleared of any charges and given a medal for his bravery in shooting Iman, to whom he referred to as "terrorist."
11-16-2005, 07:16 AM #5
I agree that this is an absolutely awful event.
I don’t understand the rules of engagement there either.
I do know that children are used to attack the Israeli solders and as suicide bombers.
This is why it truly saddens me to see children used in war or terrorism, either as messengers or as suicide bombers.
11-16-2005, 07:17 AM #6Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
I don't believe they deserve a medal for killing a child.
11-16-2005, 07:18 AM #7
The tapes of the soldiers' communications at the time of the incident indicate that one of the troops identified Alhamas by saying:
"It's a little girl. She's running right now, heading east."
After the first shots, another soldier said:
"She's behind the ditch and nearby pile of dirt, half a meter away. Scared to death. The [bullets] hit right near her, centimeters away."
At a later stage, the commander reported to his base:
"This is the situation: We fired shots and killed her. [She's] dressed in jeans and a tank top. She also had a kaffiyeh [Muslim head covering] on her head. I also confirmed the kill."
11-16-2005, 07:22 AM #8
In the transcript of the conversation, they know the girl is about 10 years old. NOT ONCE is the fact she can be a terrorist, or holding a bomb, or being a lure is mentioned.
11-16-2005, 07:24 AM #9
Captain R (after killing the girl)
‘Anything moving in the zone, even a three-year-old, needs to be killed’
Anyone that even thinks like that, without even killing, needs to be jailed for life.
11-16-2005, 07:26 AM #10Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
However the conversation only appears to be between two people the person in the watch tower, and the commander, and I would think they have heard of the tactics of using children.
11-16-2005, 07:28 AM #11Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
Sitting here safe and sound, what you said sounds perfectly logical.
However having not ever been in that situation, I don't know what I would do.
11-16-2005, 07:29 AM #12
to all the people here that dont live in fear of exploding humens:
when people use their children in suicide attacks that means that the soldiers in the field need to watch out from children also!
and its so easy for you to judge him because you were not there and you never was in combat/war.. when something like this happens its because of servival instincts you dont have time to think at war. the job of the commander is to save the soldiers lives and returne them safly home.
its not like if he just went to a kid in the street and shoot him.
11-16-2005, 07:32 AM #13Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
11-16-2005, 07:42 AM #14
i feel sick...
11-16-2005, 07:43 AM #15
again i dont understand you!! if palestinians come to israel to explode and kill civilians and children by perpuse, so how come if 1 innocent palastinian gets killed by mistake you make all that noise? what about the israeli boys/girls that gets exploded going to the mall or riding the bus?
11-16-2005, 08:03 AM #16
is there some sort of problem with my avatar? why was it removed?
11-16-2005, 08:03 AM #17Originally Posted by wrx
They don't care so don't bother with that angle. Try this one: To all who don't know or conveniently overlooked this: The Israeli soldier who shot the girl was not a Jew, he was DRUZE.
11-16-2005, 08:07 AM #18
ok its fine now
11-16-2005, 08:08 AM #19
oh yes. thats right... he was not a jew he was some kind of arab its called druze
11-16-2005, 08:11 AM #20
again "arabs" are killing each other and then blamingg some one alse..
11-16-2005, 08:16 AM #21Originally Posted by AIZ
11-16-2005, 08:17 AM #22Originally Posted by wrx
Palestinians have always held the claim that the young girl al-Hams was on her way to school. When, in fact, she was traveling the opposite direction and was at the Girit Outpost. There are photos that have proved this. Secondly, there is no reason not to believe that she was sent by terrorists as a decoy in order to draw out soldiers and turn them into targets for terrorist snipers. This is a common occurrance. The girl was in a closed military area and that she threw a bag at the soldiers, while there was already gunfire coming from nearly 300 yards away. Thirdly, the soldiers admitted to being the ones who lied about the story and called the media simply because they didn't like their commander. He was Arab-Druze.
Does any of this really matter now?
11-16-2005, 08:18 AM #23
so no "israeli" soldiers or captain whatever dont take their order from the "israeli" commaders?
11-16-2005, 08:19 AM #24Originally Posted by farrebarre
11-16-2005, 08:21 AM #25Originally Posted by AIZ
11-16-2005, 08:21 AM #26Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
The realy question is what caused the harsh rules of engagement.
11-16-2005, 08:22 AM #27Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
11-16-2005, 08:24 AM #28Originally Posted by Bigen12
11-16-2005, 08:35 AM #29Originally Posted by Bigen12
IDF troops arrest Palestinian youth carrying explosive belt at Nablus checkpoint
By Nir Hasson, Haaretz Correspondent, and Haaretz Service
Israel Defense Forces soldiers arrested a Palestinian youth carrying an explosive belt at a checkpoint near the West Bank city of Nablus on Wednesday afternoon, Israel Radio reported.
The youth was attempting to pass through the Hawara checkpoint in the direction of Nablus. A Military Police officer at the checkpoint asked him to open his bag and found a bolt of fabric. Soldiers passed the bag through a metal detector and called for bomb disposal unit when the device beeped.
Sappers found at least six small, separate explosive devices connected together in a belt. The bombs were safely detonated in a controlled explosion.
The youth was transferred to security services for questioning in an effort to determine which organization asked the youth to attempt to bring the explosive belt through the checkpoint.
11-16-2005, 08:39 AM #30Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
Every death of a Palestinian has an excuse. If its a child there is an excuse, if its a women there is an excuse, if its a baby there is an excuse. They got all their bases covered.
The propaganda is so good, that every death is justified by one of the excuses. There is no death that doesnt have an excuse.
These are tactics used by criminal armies.
11-16-2005, 08:47 AM #31Originally Posted by wrx
11-16-2005, 08:50 AM #32Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
11-16-2005, 08:59 AM #33Originally Posted by AIZ
"When questioned, the Palestinian said he had been instructed to take the belt through the checkpoint.
The army noted that in the past two months soldiers have thwarted 15 attempts to smuggle weapons and bombs through the checkpoint."
Not propaganda...just a fact of Israeli life
11-16-2005, 09:02 AM #34Originally Posted by IronFreakX
11-16-2005, 09:11 AM #35Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
11-16-2005, 09:13 AM #36Originally Posted by IronFreakX
What if Osama Bin Laden said they were hiding weapons that would kill our people in WTC towers. That also wouldnt be justified.
Killing innocent people, by mistake, or on purpose is NOT justified.
11-16-2005, 09:19 AM #37Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
11-16-2005, 09:22 AM #38Originally Posted by farrebarre
Why do you feel sick?
11-16-2005, 09:24 AM #39Originally Posted by AIZ
11-16-2005, 09:26 AM #40Originally Posted by wrx
Druze are not Arabs. Not even close. In fact Druze and Muslims in Israel can't stand eachother.
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