Thread: Barriers becoming common
11-19-2005, 02:38 AM #1
Barriers becoming common
They are becoming not only common but also necessary. However, only one of them seems to make the news
1. INDIA is accelerating the construction of a 2,500-mile fence to seal its border with Bangladesh amid growing fears that its Muslim neighbour could become “a new Afghanistan”. Indian officials and western diplomats have been alarmed by an increase in terrorist attacks by militant groups linked to Al-Qaeda and by the Dhaka government’s failure to crack down on them.
One group said to have links with the government claimed responsibility for 500 synchronised explosions in 63 of Bangladesh’s 64 districts in August.
2. Saudi Arabia, one of the most vocal critics in the Arab world of Israel's "security fence" in the West Bank, is quietly emulating the Israeli example by erecting a barrier along its porous border with Yemen.The barrier is part of a plan to erect what will be an electronic surveillance system along the length of the kingdom's frontiers - land, air and sea. The project, involving fencing and electronic detection equipment, has been in the planning stages for several years. It may cost up to $8.57bn (?4.58bn). Behind the plan is a deep-seated lack of trust in the Yemeni authorities' ability to arrest infiltrators before they make it into Saudi territory.A Yemeni delegation arrived in Jeddah for emergency talks on the issue yesterday, after submitting an official complaint.
3. Kyrgyzstan/Uzbekistan: A land dispute led to the unilateral construction of a barbed wire fence by Uzbekistan to secure their border with Kyrgyzstan in the fall of 1999. The fence was constructed after Islamic terrorists from Kyrgyzstan were blamed for bomb attacks in the Uzbek capital of Tashkent. The construction of the fence has caused economic hardships in the poor agricultural areas of the Ferghana Valley and has separated many families in this traditionally integrated border region.
4. Northern Ireland: In the 1970's, the British government began to construct a series of separation fences known as the “Peace Line” to divide the Catholic and Protestant areas of Belfast. These fences, many of which are 12 meters in height and average 500 meters in length, have multiplied over the years, from 18 in the early 1990's to 40 today. This expansion is due to the success of the fences in disrupting terrorist activities. The gates of the fence remain closed at night, allowing two policemen to do the security job that used to take dozens.
5. India/Bangladesh: India has been constructing a fence on its border with Bangladesh, complete with flood lights, to keep armed rebels from infiltrating into India and attacking its citizens. Villagers who were evicted from what India claims to be “no man's land' have taken their cases to court.
6. Thailand/Malaysia: In February 2004, Thailand announced plans to build a concrete fence along parts of its border with Malaysia in order to keep terrorists and smugglers from sneaking across Thailand's southern border. Still in the early planning stages, it is unclear what the final length and makeup of the fence will be.
7. Turkish Cyprus/Greek Cyprus: A 180 kilometer buffer zone known as the “Green Line” has been in place since 1974, separating the Turkish part of the Island from the Greek section. The buffer zone cuts the Island in half, and until last year was uncrossable.
8. Kuwait/Iraq: In 1991, the UN Security Council established a demilitarized zone to separate Iraq and Kuwait. The DMZ extends six miles into Iraq, three miles into Kuwait, and across the full length of the 120-mile border from Saudi Arabia to the Persian Gulf. The barrier, made of electrified fencing and concertina wire, is braced by a 15-foot-wide and 15-foot-deep trench, complete with a 10-foot-high dirt berm and guarded by hundreds of soldiers, several patrol boats, and helicopters. In January 2004, Kuwait decided to install a new 217 Km iron separation barrier as well.
9. North Korea/South Korea: The DMZ, which has separated North and South Korea since 1953, is the most heavily fortified border in the world, consisting of sensors, watchtowers, razor wire, landmines, automatic artillery, tank-traps, and heavy weaponry. The DMZ stretches 250 km in length, averages 4 km wide and is patrolled by two million troops.
10. US/Mexico: In an effort to curb the flow of illegal immigrants coming from its southern border, the United States under the Clinton Administrations instituted two new programs, Operation Hold the Line and Operation Gatekeeper. These programs included the construction of miles of reinforced fencing, supported by flood lights, infrared scopes, and underground sensors. Critics argue that these measures have caused the deaths of thousands of illegal aliens who are now forced to attempt to infiltrate the border over more dangerous terrain.
11. Botswana/Zimbabwe: The government of Botswana, angered by the flow of illegal immigrants and fearful of the spread of foot-and-mouth disease has erected a 10-foot high electrified fence on its border with Zimbabwe.
12. Spain /Morocco: In 2000, the European Union helped finance a £200 million razor wire border fence between the Spanish enclave of Ceuta and Morocco. This fence, designed to curb the flow of illegal immigrants into Europe, has undoubtedly played a role in the death of more than 4,000 people who have died trying in vein to cross the strait to enter Spain.
11-19-2005, 04:15 AM #2Retired Vet
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I posted about this awhile back. People like to jump on Israel's back over the wall you guys are constructing. We're getting some crap about it here, since an Irish company own's a majority share in the contruction company employed to do the work.
I also posted photos of the British so called 'peace devide' in Northern Ireland.
11-19-2005, 04:42 AM #3
well isnt the difference(excuse my possible ignorance) that all those countries build the barriers on there own ground while israel in several places builds it on occupied land?
I have heard swedish politicians say several time that they fully support israel building a barrier on there own land but strongly object to building it on occupied land.
11-19-2005, 05:41 AM #4Originally Posted by johan
It depends who you ask. Some call certain parts of the land "occupied" while others call it "disputed territory". However, that is only part of the debate.
11-19-2005, 12:40 PM #5
What is the UN oppinion on this matter?
11-19-2005, 01:48 PM #6Originally Posted by johan
11-19-2005, 02:02 PM #7
11-20-2005, 01:30 PM #8Originally Posted by AIZ
Well the UN is far more involved in this issue than I am so I am usualy inclined to listen to that organisation. Because it overlooks one atrocity doesnt mean it has to be wrong in other matters. The oil bribery scandals has lowered its credability a bit though.
But did you in one post justify the invasion of iraq based on its breaches against UN ruling while now saying the UN doesnt know what they are talking about
One question. How far into palestinian land did the UN say tje fence you are building is? Why cant israel just build the fence on undisputed land to get approval from the UN and the rest of the world including my country?
11-20-2005, 02:00 PM #9Originally Posted by johan
11-20-2005, 03:00 PM #10Originally Posted by AIZ
11-20-2005, 03:34 PM #11Originally Posted by kis55
You should check out a great scholarly article in Foreign Affairs this month: it compares Vietnam and the Iraq War...and why no one should compare the two, ever! Great article.
11-20-2005, 04:31 PM #12Originally Posted by AIZ
Why iyo is the UN biased against israel?
11-20-2005, 04:56 PM #13Originally Posted by johan
It's difficult to comprehend and accept why Israel would cross the greenline while constructing the fence. In short: some believe the land is "disputed" not "occupied", security purposes (the PA isn't going to get control of things so we have to).
The UN is extremely biased against Israel. The reason? Simple: the Arab bloc, which also has a lot of influence on the smaller nations. Remember, the "developing nations" are the majority of the UN member list. The story is a long one. We'll get into that another time. For the time being, go to this link so you can see the fence's purpose. When you go to the site, look at the top and you will see another link (in blue) click that and watch the power point presentation...very good. Make sure that once you enter the site you click the link at the top of the page.
11-20-2005, 11:57 PM #14Originally Posted by AIZ
And yes, the votes in the GA of the UN have no authority whatsoever. Thats always been my understanding.
11-21-2005, 01:13 AM #15Retired Vet
Originally Posted by AIZ
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Another thing about the UN and Israel. The UN can only operate in and around Israel (it has military officers in Jerusalem, the Golan and Sinai serving with UNDORF and UNTSO) by invitation by Israel!!!. Beleive me Israel does ok out of the UN.
11-21-2005, 09:43 AM #16Originally Posted by johan
11-21-2005, 09:52 AM #17Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
Like I said, some refer to it as "disputed territory" while others call it "occupied territory". All depends on who you ask. You also have to remember that there is territory that Israel purchased in and around the West Bank and East Jerusalem. After the '48 war, it was taken during battle by Jordan. Now it is under Palestinian rule. So, both sides have a case.
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