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    Israel – world's leading technological state

    Israel – world's leading technological state



    New international report reveals Israel has become country with most promising economic future; country’s scientists surpass world's greatest minds
    Dudi Goldman



    Israel heads the list of countries with the most promising future, an international study conducted for the Ministry of Industry and Trade revealed.



    According to the research, Israel, which has already achieved a worldwide reputation of a high-tech superpower, has become the leading country in the areas of science and technology.


    The Ministry of Industry and Trade recently conducted a "State intellectual capital balance" survey in order to examine Israel's global ranking among developed countries.


    Israel's leading newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth obtained the document, which reveals that the number of engineers in Israel is the highest
    in the world: 135 engineers for every 10,000 workers. The United States is ranked second with only 70 engineers, followed by Japan (65), Holland (53) and Switzerland (38).


    Israel is also ranked first in the world in the number of scientists and technicians, with 140 for every 10,000 workers. The U.S. is way behind with 83 scientists and technicians, followed by Japan (80), Germany (60) and Switzerland (55).


    A study conducted Dr. Edna Pasher's consultancy firm reveals that these professions contribute the most to Israel's economy.


    The survey also bears good news for women, reve****g that Israel is ranked second in the number of women employed in technological professions and in professions requiring expertise, with 54 percent of all workers. The U.S. is ranked first with 55 percent.


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    The study also reveals that Israel provides a supporting business environment and a developed banking and financial infrastructure, and encourages investment in technological initiatives. According to the same study, Israel also leads the national expenditure on research and development in relation to its national product.


    The Industry Ministry's chief scientist, Dr. Eli Ofer, was satisfied with the findings and explained how Israel became a technological super power.


    "If not for the Russian immigration, the number of engineers in Israel would be smaller. A decade ago we absorbed a million people, a huge percentage of whom had academic-technological education," he said.


    According to Elisha Yanai, chairman of the Association of electronics, Israel has become a silicon valley.


    "We should not be compared to all of the U.S., but to certain high-tech areas, such as California's Silicon Valley, Boston's high-tech area and Texas' high-tech area. Such a comparison, which is more natural to us, ranks Israel at the third absolute spot, and not just at the relative spot of engineers and technological manpower," he said.


    Yanai also agrees that Israel has become the world's leading technological power state.


    "We are a power state from the viewpoint of the venture capital industry investing more money here in high-tech and in technology in general," he said.


    "Apart from that, Israel has another advantage, which is its small area that creates a high concentration of many technological firms. Thus, Israel profits not only from its human capital, but also from the advantage of its geographic-physical size," he concluded.


    (11.20.05, 11:18)

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...171870,00.html

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    Surprised, Rak?

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    Hmmm. Seems odd to say "According to the research, Israel, which has already achieved a worldwide reputation of a high-tech superpower, has become the leading country in the areas of science and technology." and then say "We should not be compared to all of the U.S., but to certain high-tech areas, such as California's Silicon Valley, Boston's high-tech area and Texas' high-tech area". It's like saying they are the most advanced county only in comparison to certain parts of other countries; not the countries as a whole. So the title "Israel – world's leading technological state" is misleading at best, false at worst.


    Also their statistics are skewed and don't point out the total population, which is what really matters. It's not simply how many are scientists per x ammount of people, rather how many total scientists in a given country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerBaron
    So the title "Israel – world's leading technological state" is misleading at best, false at worst. Also their statistics are skewed and don't point out the total population, which is what really matters. It's not simply how many are scientists per x ammount of people, rather how many total scientists in a given country.
    The following list is not propaganda but rather a clear cut and simple way to understand what goes on here. These stats and accomplishments will help you understand why the article claims what it claims. You need to understand that our population is only around 5 1/2 million Jews, which is less than 1/1000th of the world's population. Israel is just twice the size of Rhode Island; only 260 miles at its longest, a 112-mile coastline. It is approximately 60 miles at its widest, and only between 3 and 9 miles at its narrowest.

    Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people -- as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.

    In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of startup companies than any other country in the world, except the US (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).

    Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the US.

    Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

    Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.


    Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.

    On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech startups.

    Twenty-four percent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees -- ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland - and 12 percent hold advanced degrees.

    Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship -- and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.

    Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.

    Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.

    Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.

    An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in US hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

    Israel's Givun imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used the view the small intestine from the inside, the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.

    80% of biotechnology in the ENTIRE world comes from Israel.

    An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in US hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

    With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and startups, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world (apart from the Silicon Valley).

    In response to serious water shortages, Israeli engineers and agriculturalists developed a revolutionary drip irrigation system to minimize the amount of water used to grow crops.

    Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.

    Most of the Windows NT operating system was developed by Microsoft-Israel.

    Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

    Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.

    A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device, produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrowband blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct -- all without damaging surroundings skin or tissue.

    An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant, in southern California's Mojave desert.

    The first PC Anti-virus software was developed in Israel in 1979.

    The technology for AOL Instant Messenger was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.

    Hell, we even created the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerBaron
    Hmmm. Seems odd to say "According to the research, Israel, which has already achieved a worldwide reputation of a high-tech superpower, has become the leading country in the areas of science and technology." and then say "We should not be compared to all of the U.S., but to certain high-tech areas, such as California's Silicon Valley, Boston's high-tech area and Texas' high-tech area". It's like saying they are the most advanced county only in comparison to certain parts of other countries; not the countries as a whole. So the title "Israel – world's leading technological state" is misleading at best, false at worst.


    Also their statistics are skewed and don't point out the total population, which is what really matters. It's not simply how many are scientists per x ammount of people, rather how many total scientists in a given country.
    So what you're saying is that when the comparison is made, the whole of US should be taken into account, including farm areas, and industrial areas? Because if that's what you mean, then obviously Israel has a much higher percentage of scientists and engineers (sp). Israel is like the Silicon Valley. The whole country is. No matter where you turn you have high tech companies. That's why it was said that the comparison should be made with the equivilant areas in the US. Then the numbers would be more in favor of the US.

    You want to make a comparison in numbers between a country that has 240 million (or something like that) people and a country that has 6.5 million? The numbers don't matter. The percentage does, because the larger the percentage of profesionals in the field, the more money that's put into it by both investors and the government, the bigger the part the high tech industry plays in the country's economy and the more achievements are promoted. What makes, in your opinion, a leading technological state?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AIZ
    Surprised, Rak?
    Surprised? No, just thinking "why the hell did I leave the high tech job I had 3 years ago... ".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rak_Ani
    Surprised? No, just thinking "why the hell did I leave the high tech job I had 3 years ago... ".
    Everything has a reason...it's all for the best.

    On the other hand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AIZ
    The following list is not propaganda but rather a clear cut and simple way to understand what goes on here. These stats and accomplishments will help you understand why the article claims what it claims. You need to understand that our population is only around 5 1/2 million Jews, which is less than 1/1000th of the world's population. Israel is just twice the size of Rhode Island; only 260 miles at its longest, a 112-mile coastline. It is approximately 60 miles at its widest, and only between 3 and 9 miles at its narrowest.

    Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people -- as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.

    In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of startup companies than any other country in the world, except the US (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).

    Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the US.

    Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

    Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.


    Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.

    On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech startups.

    Twenty-four percent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees -- ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland - and 12 percent hold advanced degrees.

    Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship -- and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.

    Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.

    Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.

    Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.

    An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in US hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

    Israel's Givun imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used the view the small intestine from the inside, the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.

    80% of biotechnology in the ENTIRE world comes from Israel.

    An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in US hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

    With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and startups, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world (apart from the Silicon Valley).

    In response to serious water shortages, Israeli engineers and agriculturalists developed a revolutionary drip irrigation system to minimize the amount of water used to grow crops.

    Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.

    Most of the Windows NT operating system was developed by Microsoft-Israel.

    Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

    Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.

    A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device, produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrowband blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct -- all without damaging surroundings skin or tissue.

    An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant, in southern California's Mojave desert.

    The first PC Anti-virus software was developed in Israel in 1979.

    The technology for AOL Instant Messenger was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.

    Hell, we even created the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers
    Those figures make a lot more sense, thanks aiz.

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    plus they have a license to kill

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
    plus they have a license to kill
    If you intend for your message to be a joke, please clearly clarify your intention.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerBaron
    Those figures make a lot more sense, thanks aiz.
    Anytime. But you should listen to Rak. She was in the hi-Tech sector. She knows what she's talking about. I'm in a completely different field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AIZ
    Our next hi-tech invention is called the "Arab Removal Beam" or simply ARB.

    so you are calling for the removal of a whole ethnicity , are you calling for a genocide on this board!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
    so you are calling for the removal of a whole ethnicity , are you calling for a genocide on this board!!!
    Not all Arabs, just those who cry every time someone breaks the forum rules while they break them themselves.

    AIZ, my startup is better. I'm working on a new technology that will install a sense of fasion in Arabs. Maybe then they'll stop wearing shirts with green-orange strips

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rak_Ani
    Not all Arabs, just those who cry every time someone breaks the forum rules while they break them themselves.
    AIZ said "Our next hi-tech invention is called the "Arab Removal Beam" or simply ARB" he said "Arab" he didnt specify an kind of arabs he just say arab ,and thats a NO NO on this board, its a respectfull board and I am sure no one will tolerate this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
    AIZ said "Our next hi-tech invention is called the "Arab Removal Beam" or simply ARB" he said "Arab" he didnt specify an kind of arabs he just say arab ,and thats a NO NO on this board, its a respectfull board and I am sure no one will tolerate this.

    Hijacking threads with incitements is also against the rules, but you obviously on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rak_Ani
    Hijacking threads with incitements is also against the rules, but you obviously on that.
    I am not hijacking the thread with another story I am trying to make him remember the rules , but you took a defense position and you hijacked the thread girl!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
    so you are calling for the removal of a whole ethnicity , are you calling for a genocide on this board!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AIZ
    The following list is not propaganda but rather a clear cut and simple way to understand what goes on here....
    lol on this. If not propaganda then what you call it?!

    Sorry AIZ but this is total BS and it has no credibility since there are many false claims in it!

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    Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people -- as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.
    It is not the quantity, it is the quality of the papers. I can write a paper every week, but it may have zero (real) contribution to the science!

    Quote Originally Posted by AIZ

    Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.
    Not true! Please visit (http://www.photius.com/wfb1999/ranki..._capita_0.html) to see 1999 figures and (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/.../2004rank.html) to see 2004 figures.

    Quote Originally Posted by AIZ

    Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.
    The Egyptian economy by itself is much bigger than the Israeli economy! Forget about the "all of its immediate neighbors combined." Also, the poverty level in Israel almost the same as in other Arabic neighboring countries.

    Egypt:
    (http://www.geographyiq.com/countries...pt_economy.htm)

    Israel:
    (http://www.geographyiq.com/countries...el_economy.htm)

    Jordan:
    (http://www.geographyiq.com/countries...an_economy.htm)

    Lebanon:
    (http://www.geographyiq.com/countries...on_economy.htm)

    Syria:
    (http://www.geographyiq.com/countries...ia_economy.htm)


    Quote Originally Posted by AIZ

    Most of the Windows NT operating system was developed by Microsoft-Israel.
    So what?! Many other parts have been developed in India and China too! Major parts of the Windows 2000 server has been developed in Cairo, Egypt! What a big deal!

    Quote Originally Posted by AIZ

    Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.
    Again, totally false! Please visit both companies web sites and you will realize that they have many branches around the world.


    I hope the person who wrote this report is not a scientist!

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    any astrophysics, space physics or space-tech research going on over there??

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
    I am not hijacking the thread with another story I am trying to make him remember the rules , but you took a defense position and you hijacked the thread girl!

    You use "Zionist" all the time and put quotation marks around the name ISRAEL, which is also very offensive. What do I do in return...I just joke with you about how you use quotation marks. I don't hijack threads. Now, let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    any astrophysics, space physics or space-tech research going on over there??
    Johan, there is tons. You should check out the technion in Haifa. I'll find the link and send it to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    any astrophysics, space physics or space-tech research going on over there??
    http://www.most.gov.il/index.php/en/...l_space_agency

    About ISA (Israel Space Agency)




    Voice of ISA Director General, Mr. Tzi Kaplan:
    The history of Israel in space is short but remarkable. It started in 1988 with the launch of Ofeq 1 by the Shavit launcher, affiliating Israel to the very exclusive club of 7 countries who launched a self developed satellite with their own made launcher.

    Geographical constrains, as well as safety considerations caused the Israeli space program to focus on very small satellites, loaded with payloads of a very high degree of sophistication.
    Currently, we are observing the third generation of satellites with very high performances in small platforms.


    In addition to panchromatic satellites for earth observation and picture downloading, a new satellite is currently being developed in the radar regime. The satellite will have a SAR payload, which is capable of taking images at all weather conditions. This new satellite is a proof of the viability and the ********** character of the Israeli Space Industry.

    The vision of the Israeli Space Agency ISA stems from the understanding that Israel could be more active in the civilian arena by promoting some ********** scientific projects based on international collaboration.

    Amongst the leading project of ISA is the renewal of the Israeli projects of the UV telescope – the TAUVEX (Tel Aviv University Ultra Violet Experiment). A UV telescope for astronomical observations which had been developed in the nineties would be accommodated on the Indian Geo-Synchronous satellite G Sat-4 and would be jointly operated and utilized by Indian and Israeli scientists.

    The partners for this project are:


    The Israeli ministry of Science and Technology and ISA

    The Indian Space Research Organization ISRO,

    The Tel Aviv University

    The Electrio-Optical Israeli Industry EL-OP – Elbit Ltd.

    The Indian Institute for Astronomy in Mumbai

    Recently, a new international collaboration was coming to age and a new project was born. ISA and CNES of France reached an agreement to jointly work on a new project of a design and a construction of an ********** micro-satellite and a ground station for scientific purposes.

    The micro-satellite would incorporated two payloads: an ********** scientific payload comprised of a multi-spectral camera for earth observations and a ground station for imaging processes.
    The second payload would be a technological aiming at demonstrating an electrical propulsion thrust system and to examine its maneuverability potential.


    Additionally, some of the past and present educational activities and projects of ISA will be reviewed and lesson learnt, as the tragedy of "Colombia" flight STS 107 will be mentioned and discussed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AIZ
    You use "Zionist" all the time and put quotation marks around the name ISRAEL, which is also very offensive. What do I do in return...I just joke with you about how you use quotation marks. I don't hijack threads. Now, let it go.
    ok honestly, will you show any tolerance if I made a funny jews-joke??
    actually you dont need to complain if I did it because I will get banned in a heard beat!

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    You don't have to apologize. I understand where you are coming from. Let's try and clear this up.

    1. "Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people -- as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed."

    It's saying "scientific papers", implying professional science background. It's not saying that you and I can hand in a science paper and have it counted towards this stat. It also mentioned "patents filed", which is true.

    2. "Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK."

    I believe that what was listed is GDP per capita: purchasing power parity - $18,300 (1999 est.). It is true that Israel's GDP per capita rivals some of western Europe's nations.

    3. "Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined."

    It's talking about GNP. This could be misleading but in terms of GNP it is true. Israel’s GNP is higher than the combined GNP of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

    4. "Most of the Windows NT operating system was developed by Microsoft-Israel."

    This is not talking merely about parts but about the operating system itself. The technion in Haifa is famous for this. This is the same institution that invented the MMX chip.

    5. "Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel."

    At the time this was written this was true. The same goes for Intel. Now, they are everywhere. It used to be either the first or one of the first. It was something to be very proud of. http://www.microsoft.com/israel/abou...h/default.mspx

    "In Intel Jerusalem, the first manufacturing plant to be
    established outside of the U.S., dozens of advanced
    microelectronic products are manufactured concurrently by means
    of 6-inch technology.
    In the Kiryat Gat plant, Pentium 4 processors for PCs are
    manufactured using advanced technology, as are chips for mobile
    computers, for cellular communication, and so on.
    Integrated activity for the future in education and in the
    community In the framework of Intel Israel's ongoing commitment
    to the advancement of scientific education, the company initiates
    and implements educational programs that encompass tens of
    thousands of participants from all over the country. This
    undertaking takes its place among a wide variety of
    community-geared volunteer projects that are initiated and
    carried out by Intel employees as a part of their involvement in
    the surroundings in which they work." http://www.matimop.org.il/newrdinf/company/c142.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
    ok honestly, will you show any tolerance if I made a funny jews-joke??
    actually you dont need to complain if I did it because I will get banned in a heard beat!

    For the love of all that is good in this world...let it go already!


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    Quote Originally Posted by AIZ
    You don't have to apologize. I understand where you are coming from. Let's try and clear this up.

    1. "Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people -- as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed."

    It's saying "scientific papers", implying professional science background. It's not saying that you and I can hand in a science paper and have it counted towards this stat. It also mentioned "patents filed", which is true.
    I'm a scientist in the IT field so I know how this works! ANY ONE can write scientific papers and publish them. I can give you names of many conferences where you personally can write papers and they will surly get accepted and published but the question is whether they'll have contribution to the science.

    In my field (Computer Science), publishing one paper in a journal like "Transactions on Networking" has more scientific value than writing a dozen for IEASTED conferences! so again it depends on the value of those "sientific papers", not the quantity.

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    2. "Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK."

    I believe that what was listed is GDP per capita: purchasing power parity - $18,300 (1999 est.). It is true that Israel's GDP per capita rivals some of western Europe's nations.
    If you mean that GDP per capita is not related to the average living standards, then I'd like to see an official link about the claim that Israel has the highest in the Middle East!

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    3. "Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined."

    It's talking about GNP. This could be misleading but in terms of GNP it is true. Israel’s GNP is higher than the combined GNP of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and the Occupied Palestinian Territories.
    Can you please explain what you mean by "This could be misleading but in terms of GNP it is true"? Please show me link about GNP figures.

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    4. "Most of the Windows NT operating system was developed by Microsoft-Israel."

    This is not talking merely about parts but about the operating system itself. The technion in Haifa is famous for this. This is the same institution that invented the MMX chip.
    I know. I'm Computer Software Scientist and work for Cisco so I understand how the whole process goes.

    When I say parts, I mean software components; not hardware parts. Windows has nothing to do with the hardware manufacturing anyways!

    Microsoft develops its operating systems (software) components in different places in the world for several reasons and it has developed parts of Windows in China, India, Egypt and other countries.

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    I have to go to gym then do do some other stuff. I'll get back to the remaining either tonight or tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex2
    I'm Computer Software Scientist and work for Cisco so I understand how the whole process goes.
    I am a .net programmer I have nothing to do with networking but next year I will begin my CCNA course, I dont know if I can succeed in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
    I am a .net programmer I have nothing to do with networking but next year I will begin my CCNA course, I dont know if I can succeed in it.
    Please start a new thread or PM me if you need more information on this. We don't want to hijack others' threads. But short answer, if you spend some quality time on it you can get it. I'm both CCNA and CCNP and have earned both degrees in less than 6 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
    I am a .net programmer I have nothing to do with networking but next year I will begin my CCNA course, I dont know if I can succeed in it.
    say INSHALLAH , and go through it , always remember that !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex2
    If you mean that GDP per capita is not related to the average living standards, then I'd like to see an official link about the claim that Israel has the highest in the Middle East!



    Can you please explain what you mean by "This could be misleading but in terms of GNP it is true"? Please show me link about GNP figures.



    I know. I'm Computer Software Scientist and work for Cisco so I understand how the whole process goes.

    When I say parts, I mean software components; not hardware parts. Windows has nothing to do with the hardware manufacturing anyways!

    Microsoft develops its operating systems (software) components in different places in the world for several reasons and it has developed parts of Windows in China, India, Egypt and other countries.

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    I have to go to gym then do do some other stuff. I'll get back to the remaining either tonight or tomorrow.
    Seriously, we could go round and round but ok.

    1. About the scientific papers: I'll get back to you on that one.
    2. GDP: Israel's GDP seems to vary from sources but a very anti-Israel site even carries the message: "Israel's GNP is higher than the combined GNP of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza. With a per capita income of about $14,000, Israel ranks as the sixteenth wealthiest country in the world; Israelis enjoy a higher per capita income than oil-rich Saudi Arabia and are only slightly less well-off than most Western European countries." The unfriendly link is: http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

    3. Highest GDP in the Middle East: the highest GDP per capita in the Middle East is UAE, Qatar, then Israel. Israel's GDP per capita in terms of PPP is also 3rd, at 3,000 dollars less than the oil-rich gulf states (Israel has no oil). Saudi Arabia is 8,000 less than us and they have 25% of the world's oil supply. There is also an interesting quote which could be analyzed a bit: "Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East"...maybe "average" is the key word!

    4. Again, about MS: What was meant, at the time that this was written, was that MS opened a major R&D division in Israel, which was one of the first. It was a major deal back then. Today it is less. If you are familiar with the sciences, as you say, then I am sure you are aware of Israel's achievements in computers. There's too much to be written here about it. Like I said before, its also comparable to the situation with intel. I am also sure as a computer scientist that you are familiar with the technion and the accomplishments.

    Feel free to get back to me when you have time. Its 12:30AM here so I'll post tomorrow.
    All the best
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    If this thread continues to be hi-jacked its getting locked, with an Israeli having the last word!.

    Seriously guys, I'm sick this this crap of hi-jacking threads. We have three new political forum Mods here now, to those, guys lets come down hard on this crap over the next few days with deletions, editing, moving threads etc. Time to earn your spurs guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex2
    I'm a scientist in the IT field so I know how this works! ANY ONE can write scientific papers and publish them. I can give you names of many conferences where you personally can write papers and they will surly get accepted and published but the question is whether they'll have contribution to the science.
    I dont think that would work in any of the hard science fields. Any chemist, physicist or mathematic that tries to get published without having a PhD would most likely fail. I wonder how large % of Israels published papers are in one of those 3.

    Bouncer Il start keeping a eye on highjacking.

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    I belive its important for country to market themselves. The US is really good at it and so is Israel. Usually they are so good, I actually buy the hype that Israel has created for itself. Sometimes they are so good at marketing themselves people belive some of the exaggerations they put out.

    But this cake might look delicious but it rotten to the core.

    Israel's poverty level keeps increasing and Israel's economy is struggling. So all those "achievenments" many of which are exaggerated are not the true story on the state of Israel.

    Everyone wants to paint Israel as a utopia, but its far from that, its the opposite. But Israelies have to put a postive spin on their imaginary situation, because their reality for the future isnt very bright.

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    In less than 10 years. The UAE will make Israel look like the slums of Calcutta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    In less than 10 years. The UAE will make Israel look like the slums of Calcutta.
    With as much oil as those countries have, I would hope your prediction is true. Israel has no oil but has managed to become an amazingly hi-tech society. It's about time that these oil rich nations prosper.

    "Israel as a utopia"?? Who says that. Life is F**KING difficult here. We were mentioning our amazing accomplishments for a nation with very few natural resources, surrounded by hostile neighbors. We've done well. I also hope the same for the neighboring countries. When they prosper, they're hostility will be less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AIZ

    "Israel as a utopia"?? Who says that. Life is F**KING difficult here. We were mentioning our amazing accomplishments for a nation with very few natural resources, surrounded by hostile neighbors. We've done well. I also hope the same for the neighboring countries. When they prosper, they're hostility will be less.
    Plus Israel is less than 60 years old, so all this, from nothing, in a very short time..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rak_Ani
    Plus Israel is less than 60 years old, so all this, from nothing, in a very short time..
    Name a country in the Middle East that is older than 60?

    Most countries are young. Plus others dont get the aid the Israelies get from governments and corporations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AIZ
    The following list is not propaganda but rather a clear cut and simple way to understand what goes on here. These stats and accomplishments will help you understand why the article claims what it claims. You need to understand that our population is only around 5 1/2 million Jews, which is less than 1/1000th of the world's population. Israel is just twice the size of Rhode Island; only 260 miles at its longest, a 112-mile coastline. It is approximately 60 miles at its widest, and only between 3 and 9 miles at its narrowest.

    Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people -- as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.

    In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of startup companies than any other country in the world, except the US (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).

    Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the US.

    Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

    Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.


    Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.

    On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech startups.

    Twenty-four percent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees -- ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland - and 12 percent hold advanced degrees.

    Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship -- and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.

    Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.

    Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.

    Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.

    An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in US hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

    Israel's Givun imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used the view the small intestine from the inside, the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.

    80% of biotechnology in the ENTIRE world comes from Israel.

    An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in US hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

    With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and startups, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world (apart from the Silicon Valley).

    In response to serious water shortages, Israeli engineers and agriculturalists developed a revolutionary drip irrigation system to minimize the amount of water used to grow crops.

    Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.

    Most of the Windows NT operating system was developed by Microsoft-Israel.

    Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

    Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.

    A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device, produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrowband blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct -- all without damaging surroundings skin or tissue.

    An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant, in southern California's Mojave desert.

    The first PC Anti-virus software was developed in Israel in 1979.

    The technology for AOL Instant Messenger was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.

    Hell, we even created the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers
    I am sorry but most of these statements are false, I already dispelled them in another thread. There is no evidence of these claims.

    And I remember watching the Power Rangers when I was a kid, its actually a Japanese show, that was picked up by Saban Entertainment (Israeli Founder), who marketed the show. But the Japanese created the Power Rangers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    I am sorry but most of these statements are false, I already dispelled them in another thread. There is no evidence of these claims.

    Umm...ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    I dont think that would work in any of the hard science fields. Any chemist, physicist or mathematic that tries to get published without having a PhD would most likely fail. I wonder how large % of Israels published papers are in one of those 3.
    Not really! In most of the (above average) universities here in the states, masters students publish one paper by the time they graduate. When a student is in the Ph.D. program, they are expected to publish 4 to 5 papers in average before defending the dissertation. You can visit any good university site and check how grad students publish even when they are pursuing their master degree in any of the hard science fields.

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