Thread: Another identity question
11-22-2005, 02:43 PM #1
Another identity question
Im gonna explain 2 scenarios here and I need your input on them. Plz dont answere that you wouldnt do it or something along those lines. Answere the questions and motivate as deeply as you can.
In a not to distant future new technology makes it possible to replace some parts of the brain with computer chips to make it more efficient. The chip gets transplanted into the brain, info from the brain gets copied into it and the original part of the brain gets removed with the electronic part taking over what the original used to do.
You are all for this and start doing it. You dont feel any loss of identity for each replacement and only thing you notice is that you think more efficiently. After 50 years you find yourself with a completely electronic brain.
Are "you" still alive? Is "your" conciousness still there in the body?? Or are you just a electronic copy of yourself while your original conciousness is dead?
Instead of going step by stake you get a whole electronic brain made, you put the electronic brain into your head, run everything from your brain into it and your original brain gets killed instantly. Exact same procedure as above but now with the entire brain at once, not part by part.
Same question as above
Are "you" still alive? Is "your" conciousness, what makes you into you(and not just a copy) still there in the body?? Or are you just a electronic copy of yourself while your original conciousness is dead?
11-22-2005, 06:47 PM #2
If the only change is more efficient brain function, why wouldn't I do it?
11-22-2005, 07:02 PM #3
The sub-conscious is GOD. It knows all, hears all, feels all and so on. I also believe that BeerBaron made a post in one of these threads saying that there are many different senses in the world. Humans can see and smell and so on, snakes have senses where they can hunt prey buy using heat pits. Different creatures use different functions that their brain has adapted them to do so.
Let's start out simple. We are all evolving and the cell is the basis of life. The brain, liver, organs and so on are formed from two cells joining together (sperm and egg.) They are always evolving, the brain is the part of us that is god. It can constantly change and adapt to new situations, it is still evolving.
This is a very interesting thread JOhan as I was currently thinking of this a few days ago. In the future we will have the technology to do shit like in the matrix. Where you can program knowledge into somebody's brain. ONce we do that, a lota sh*t's gonna happen. Regardless, to answer your question, I'm really not sure. But all I can say is that people live with pacemakers, so I don't see why it would kill you but keep you running. Now if you replaced every part in your body, then yes, I think you wouldn't be human and you would be dead. Also, if your body is more mechanic than organic, yes you are a robot. Meaning if you're 60% machine and 40% human. Whew
11-23-2005, 07:00 PM #4
I was just thinking about this thread at work today. Here's my final thoughts...
You are not dead unless your body stops functioning.... i.e. your heart stops beating, your lungs stop pumping air and so on. If one part fails you will shut off. Just like a car. So if you are made up 99.99% machine, you are still alive until that .01% of human organ remaining is destroyed or killed.
11-25-2005, 05:02 PM #5
ill write my thoughts later today, but inspector, how much of your body can stop functioning before youre dead? Your heart stops beating, so they put a machine heart in. then your lungs stop pumping, so they put in mechanical lungs...if they can make your brain fully machine, and you can still be considered 'human', then what is really the last part of you that is human before you cross the line to fully machine?? for most people i would think they believe that everything can be machine except your brain. and then i can see most of them believing that part of your brain can be machine and you're still a human...but for them, whats the line?
11-25-2005, 05:20 PM #6Originally Posted by max2extreme
Thats what I was getting at. Where the line is drawn Also when I ask that question to people they usualy consider the first scenarion as beeing alive while the second not alive. When I think about it I feel the same way aswell. If I could slowely change my brain I would do it. But I wouldnt do it all at once even if the technology was foolproof.
This sounds kind of corny but its like I automaticly think of my conciousness as some kind of "essence", if I slowely change part by part of the brain the essence drifts into those new parts. But if I rip out all of my brain at once the essence never has a chance to get hosted in the new parts. But what that essence is and why I subconciously reason that way I dont know.
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