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    De****g with HIV

    Is anyone else as concerned as me about the continued spreading of HIV around the world, especialy in africa. This is a true spreading disaster that seem to get almost no attention whatsoever.

    I mean this is infact one of the deadliest diseases mankind has ever encountered and we allow it to spread more and more without doing a damn thing about it

    In the long run it might be the "solution" to overpopulation and increased birth rates in the poor countries. But its one hell of a shitty way to control population that is for sure and the more we allow it to spread the more likely it is that it will end up spreading just as much in our countries.

    I would like to se mandatory hiv tests of the entire population in sweden. If you are positiv you are registered in a official, open to everyone database. It would be a huge breach of personal freedom but frankly in this case I dont care. Imigrants should be tested aswell, if they are positiv they should not be allowed into the country. No if's or but's.

    We dont allow people with ebola to run around freely if we know they are infected. But here is a disease with a close to 100% kill rate and we dont do anything.

    Now with the recent mutation of HIV(it develops into full blown aids in 2-3 months compared to the regular 10+ years of normal HIV) making it kill much faster maby someone somewhere will act!

    http://www.news24.com/News24/Technol...661574,00.html

    http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-240060c.html

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    I will resume this in a simple manners

    African are dying, they are not "******s" but africans we(western world) could care less about them!

    As people having aids here, they are a billion dollars industry in caring and treating them!

    thats the pure truth, and we need to kick some ass

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    I'm not personally concerned about it. AIDS is present in nearly all highschools around my area, some are even calling it a pandemic. It is disturbing to think about teenagers who haven't even begun to experience life have already sealed their fate, but, AIDS is a real threat and they made a poor choice. AIDS is not easily transmitted, if you get it, it's the fault of your own judgement.

    You really can't compare ebola to aids. Ebola is way more easily transmitted than HIV. For the record, I would be willing to pay an increase in taxes to enforce manditory HIV/AIDS testing on all individuals. I think your idea is a good one Johan.

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    well even if its hard to spread you can get unlucky if you dont use the rubber just once. Slim risk but its there and people take the risk everyday. Its inevitable that it will continue spreading until something serious is done to stop it and wear rubber campaings just aint cutting it.

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    It's funny , I'm from a small town in upstate NY . I don't know ANYONE personally who has HIV or AIDS . I think there must be at least a few in my area that do just because of the numbers . I used to have unprotected sex time to time (tried to wear a rubber , but situations arose when I was unprepared) , (married now) .

    I never knew it was such a problem , and I'm sure the kids in highschool are just as unaware . With this kind of ignorance , it will never stop .

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    In the last five years AID'S has risen 256% because of sub-Saharan imigration into Ireland. Oh, they've also brought TB back into the country, we irradicated it in 1956!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOUNCER
    In the last five years AID'S has risen 256% because of sub-Saharan imigration into Ireland. Oh, they've also brought TB back into the country, we irradicated it in 1956!.
    blame liberals!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOUNCER
    In the last five years AID'S has risen 256% because of sub-Saharan imigration into Ireland. Oh, they've also brought TB back into the country, we irradicated it in 1956!.
    Damn TB that is nasty as hell. Especialy with the antibiotic resistant strains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
    blame liberals!

    Them, and others. You'll see it yourself when you come back here, its like fvcking Lagos without the monkeys and the sunshine.

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    Africa is a major concern. We, the West, should do all we can to combat HIV/AIDS in Africa. If people don't care about humanitarian efforts in Africa then the governments need to sell it to the public as "protection for the west". Africa is a mess that will affect the rest of the world.

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    Dont forget the spread of HIV in some asian countries. Thailand is a disaster waiting to spread.


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    the former soviet states are a mess aswell. I want all imigrants to be tested since we get ALOT of imigrants from russia and the baltic states.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_pandemic

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    Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome (AIDS) has killed more than 25 million people since it was first recognized in 1981, making it one of the most destructive epidemics in recorded history. Despite recent, improved access to antiretroviral treatment and care in many regions of the world, the AIDS epidemic claimed 3.1 million (between 2.8 and 3.6 million) lives in 2005 of which, more than half a million (570,000) were children.

    UNAIDS and the WHO estimate that the total number of people living with the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) reached its highest level. There is an estimated 40.3 million (estimated range between 36.7 and 45.3 million) people now living with HIV. Moreover, almost 5 million people have been estimated to have been infected with HIV in 2005 alone.

    The epidemic is not homogeneous within regions with some countries more afflicted than others. Even at the country level there are wide variations in infection levels between different areas. The number of people living with HIV continues to rise in most parts of the world, despite strenuous prevention strategies. Sub-Saharan Africa remains by far the worst-affected region, with 23.8 million to 28.9 million people living with HIV at the end of 2005, 1 million more than in 2003. Just under two thirds (64%) of all people living with HIV are in sub-Saharan Africa, as are more than three quarters (77%) of all women living with HIV. South & South East Asia are second most affected with 15%.

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    1 An overview of the problem
    1.1 Global campaign
    2 Sub-Saharan Africa
    3 Middle East and North Africa
    4 South and South-East Asia
    5 East Asia
    6 Latin America
    7 Caribbean
    8 Eastern Europe and Central Asia
    9 Western Europe
    10 North America
    11 Oceania
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    Global campaign
    In the effort to fight against the AIDS pandemic, the United Nations Children's Fund (Unicef), UNAIDS and other partners launch a global campaign, known as Unite for Children, Unite Against AIDS, to spur action for the millions of children affected by HIV/AIDS. Officials estimate that fewer than 5 percent of HIV-positive children are receiving treatment. [2]

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    Sub-Saharan Africa

    HIV prevalence across the world (UNAIDS)Sub-Saharan Africa remains the hardest-hit region. HIV infection is becoming endemic in sub-Saharan Africa. It is home to just over 10% of the world’s population but more than 60% of all people living with HIV worldwide reside here. The adult (15-49) HIV prevalence rate is 7.2% (range: 6.6 - 8.0%) with between 23.8 and 28.9 million people currently living with HIV. However, it must be noted that the actual prevalence does vary between regions. Across Sub-Saharan Africa, more women are infected with HIV than men, with 13 women living with HIV for every 10 infected men and the gap continues to grow. Throughout the region, women are being infected with HIV at earlier ages than men. The differences in infection levels between women and men are most pronounced among young people (aged 15–24 years). In this age group, there are 36 women living with HIV for every 10 men. The widespread prevalence of sexually transmitted diseases, the practice of scarification, transfusion, and the poor state of hygiene and nutrition in Africa may all be facilitating factors in the transmission of HIV-1 in this region (Bentwich et al., 1995). In 2000, the World Health Organization estimated that 25% of the units of blood transfused in Africa were not tested for HIV, and that 5–10% of HIV infections in Africa were transmitted via blood [3].

    Poor economic conditions (leading to the use of dirty needles in healthcare clinics) and lack of sex education contribute to high rates of infection. In some African countries, 25% or more of the working adult population is HIV-positive; in Botswana the figure was 35.8% (1999 estimate World Press Review), the highest reported infection rate in the world.

    In South Africa, where President Thabo Mbeki denies that HIV is the cause of AIDS, the government does not require that AIDS cases be reported or collect information on the number of South Africans with AIDS. UNAIDS estimates that at the end of 2003 there were 5.3 million people in South Africa living with HIV — 21.5% of the population[4].

    Although HIV infection rates are much lower in Nigeria than in other African countries, the size of Nigeria's population meant that by the end of 2003, there were an estimated 3.6 million people living with HIV[5]. On the other hand, Uganda, Zambia, Senegal, and most recently Botswana have begun intervention and educational measures to slow the spread of HIV, and Uganda has succeeded in actually reducing its HIV infection rate[6]

    Main article: AIDS in Africa
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    Middle East and North Africa
    The prevalence in this area is just 0.2% (0.1-0.7%), with between 230,000 and 1.4 million people infected. In this area, the routes of transmission of HIV is diverse, including paid sex, sex between men and injecting drug use. Among young people 15–24 years of age, 0.3% of women [0.1–0.8%] and 0.1% of men [0.1–0.3%] were living with HIV by the end of 2004.

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    South and South-East Asia
    The HIV prevalence rate across this region is very small (0.7%). However, due to the population size, a higher total of HIV infections (7.4 million adults and children) and annual AIDS deaths (480,000) occur in this region than any other region except sub-Saharan Africa. This sprawling region is not just vast but diverse, with the nature, pace and severity of HIV epidemics differing across the region. However, the AIDS picture in South Asia remains dominated by the epidemic in India. Latest estimates show that about 5.1 million people are currently infected with HIV in this country. In Asia, the HIV epidemic remains largely concentrated in injecting drug users, men who have sex with men, sex workers, and clients of sex workers and their immediate sexual partners. AIDS seems to be under control in Thailand and Cambodia, but new infections occur in those nations at a steady rate. Effective prevention strategies in these populations are, for the most part, inadequate.

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    East Asia
    Compared with other continents, notably Africa, the national HIV prevalence levels in Asia are low (0.1% in the adult (15-49) group). However, due to the large populations of many Asian nations, this low national HIV prevalence still means that large numbers of people are living with HIV. The picture in this region is dominated by China, with HIV prevalent in all regions of China. Much of the current spread of HIV in China is through injecting drug use and paid sex. In China, the number was estimated at 1 million to 1.5 million, with some estimates going much higher. In the rural areas of China, where large numbers of farmers, especially in Henan province, participated in sloppy procedures for blood transfusions; estimates of those infected are in the tens of thousands.In Japan, HIV transmission is mainly among men who have sex with men, some of whom might also be transmitting the virus to female sex partners.

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    Latin America
    In this region, only Guatemala and Honduras have national HIV prevalence of over 1%. In these countries, HIV-infected men outnumber HIV-infected women by roughly 3:1. Lower prevalence in other countries disguises serious, localized epidemics. In Mexico, Brazil, Colombia and Argentina, drug injection and homosexual activity are the main modes of transmission, but there is concern that heterosexual activity may soon become a primary method of spreading the virus. Brazil accounts for more than a third of all HIV infections in Latin America, with the routes of transmission including paid sex, sex between men and injecting drug use. Brazil recently began a comprehensive AIDS prevention and treatment programme to keep AIDS in check, including the production of generic versions of anti-retroviral drugs.

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    Caribbean
    The Caribbean is the second-most affected region in the world. Among adults aged 15–44, AIDS has become the leading cause of death. The adult prevalence rate is between 1.1% and 2.7%. HIV transmission occurs largely through heterosexual intercourse, with two thirds of AIDS cases in this region attributed to this route. Sex between men is also a significant route of transmission, even though it is heavily stigmatised and illegal in many areas. HIV transmission through injecting drug use remains rare, except in Bermuda and Puerto Rico.

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    Eastern Europe and Central Asia
    There is also growing concern about a rapidly growing epidemic in Eastern Europe and Central Asia, where an estimated 0.99-2.3 million people were infected in December 2005, though the adult (15-49) prevalence rate is low (0.9%). The rate of HIV infections rose rapidly from the mid-1990s, due to social and economic collapse, increased levels of intravenous drug use and increased numbers of prostitutes. By 2004 the number of reported cases in Russia was over 257,000, according to the World Health Organization, up from 15,000 in 1995 and 190,000 in 2002; some estimates claim the real number is up to five times higher, over 1 million. There are predictions that the infection rate in Russia will continue to rise quickly, since education there about AIDS is almost non-existent. Ukraine and Estonia also had growing numbers of infected people, with estimates of 500,000 and 3,700 respectively in 2004. The epidemic is still in its early stages in this region, which means that prevention strategies may be able to halt and reverse this epidemic. However, transmission of HIV is increasing through sexual contact and drug use among the young (<30 years). Indeed, over 80% of current infections occur in this region in people less than 30 years of age.

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    Western Europe
    In Western countries, AIDS cases have fallen to levels not seen since the original outbreak; many attribute this trend to aggressive educational campaigns, screening of blood transfusions and increased use of condoms. Also, the death rate from AIDS in Western Europe has fallen sharply, as new AIDS therapies have proven to be an effective (if expensive) means of suppressing HIV.

    In this area, the routes of transmission of HIV is diverse, including paid sex, sex between men, injecting drug use, mother to child and heterosexual sex. However, many new infections in this region occur through contact with HIV-infected individuals from other regions. The adult (15-49) prevalence in this region is 0.3% with between 570,000 and 890,000 people currently living with HIV. Due to the availability of antiretroviral therapy, AIDS deaths have stayed low since the lows of the late 1990s. However, in some countries, a large share of HIV infections remain undiagnosed and there is worrying evidence of antiretroviral drug resistance among some newly HIV-infected individuals in this region. Also, there has been a recent increase in risky behavior among men who have sex with men.

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    North America
    The adult prevalence rate in this region is 0.7% with over 1 million people currently living with HIV. In the United States, sex between men (35%), heterosexual sex (19%) and needle sharing by intravenous drug users (15%) remain prominent sources of new HIV infections [7]. Currently, rates of HIV infection in the US occur the most often on the eastern and southern regions, with the exception of California. Currently, between 35,000 to 40,000 new infections occur in the USA every year. AIDS is one of the top three causes of death for African American men aged 25–54 and for African American women aged 35–44 years in the United States of America. In the United States, African Americans make up about 47% of the total HIV-positive population, yet also make up more than half of new HIV cases, despite making up only 12% of the population. AIDS continues to be a problem with illegal sex workers and injecting drug users. It is possible that the high incarceration rates for African American men, could play an important factor in the epidemic through injecting drug use and unprotected sex in prison institutions. The main route of transmission for women is through heterosexual sex, and the main risk factor here is non-protection and the undisclosed risky behaviour by their sexual partners. African American women are 19 times more likely to contract HIV than a white woman [8]. Experts attribute this to "AIDS fatigue" among younger people who have no memory of the worst phase of the epidemic in the 1980s, as well as "condom fatigue" among those who have grown tired of and disillusioned with the unrelenting safer sex message. This trend is of major concern to public health workers.

    In the United States in particular, a new wave of infection is being blamed on the use of methamphetamine, known as Crystal meth. Research presented at the 12th Annual Retrovirus Conference in Boston in February 2005 concluded that using Crystal meth or cocaine is the biggest single risk factor for becoming HIV+ among US gay men, contributing 29% of the overall risk of becoming positive and 28% of the overall risk of being the receptive partner in bareback sex [9]. In addition, several renowned clinical psychologists now cite Crystal as the biggest problem facing gay men today, including Michael Majeski, who reckons meth is the catalyst for at least 80% of seroconversions currently occurring across the United States, and Tony Zimbardi, who calls Crystal the number one cause of HIV transmission, and says that high rates of new HIV infection are not being found among non-Crystal users. In addition, various HIV and STD clinics across the United States report anecdotal evidence that 75% of new HIV seroconversions they deal with are Crystal-related; indeed, in Los Angeles, Crystal is regarded as the main cause of HIV seroconversion among gay men in their late thirties[10]. The First National Conference on Methamphetamine, HIV and Hepatitis took place in Salt Lake City in August of 2005.

    On the other hand, as in Western Europe, the death rate from AIDS in North America has fallen sharply, as new AIDS therapies have proven to be an effective (if expensive) means of suppressing HIV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    the former soviet states are a mess aswell. I want all imigrants to be tested since we get ALOT of imigrants from russia and the baltic states.

    I agree, infact I think that imigrants should be quarantined for at least six months (or more) and only let into the country when they can show a clean bill of health and a means to support themselves for at least one year without social assistance.

    I also think a qouta should apply too. So that my countries culture isn't further deluted with this continued influx of undesirables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOUNCER
    I agree, infact I think that imigrants should be quarantined for at least six months (or more) and only let into the country when they can show a clean bill of health and a means to support themselves for at least one year without social assistance.

    I also think a qouta should apply too. So that my countries culture isn't further deluted with this continued influx of undesirables.
    Good ideas. To bad something like that will never get implemented untill its far to late.

    Hell we wont even allow dogs to enter our country without them beeing quarantined for months. But we have no problem letting people in.

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    So everyone here would pretty much agree that nationwide, mandatory HIV tests would be a good thing??

    What other steps could be taken both on national and international level to put a stop to the pandemic??

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    So everyone here would pretty much agree that nationwide, mandatory HIV tests would be a good thing??

    What other steps could be taken both on national and international level to put a stop to the pandemic??

    Apart from what AIZ suggested, I'd recommend serverely restricting movement out of, and into countries whose incidence of AID's are much above about 1% of the population. I'd stop all imigration from sub-Saharan Africa, and the one's who do escape should go through a quarantine processs like I suggested above.

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    what about those with HIV already in your country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    what about those with HIV already in your country?

    Irish nationals should be given the best care possible. Non-nationals (ie illegal emigrants) should be sent home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    So everyone here would pretty much agree that nationwide, mandatory HIV tests would be a good thing??

    What other steps could be taken both on national and international level to put a stop to the pandemic??
    What the Heck!!!!????? Have all you guys gone mad??? Doing a nationwide HIV test let alon making it mandatory would go against the Constitution. Why do you think they ask Rapist if they can get a sperm sample??? It's invasion of privacy. I'm all for helping others with aids and sh!t but don't go into there own personal business. I have only had sex with one person and thats my wife. So I'm not too worried about aids (well unless she decides to be shady). All this talk is seriously non-sense, and do you even know how aids was brought to the U.S???? An American visited Africa and did the hanky panky over there and brought that crap over here. So its not really immagrants that bring it from "THERE COUNTRY" its the people that already have in the U.S. that spread it to others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nismo
    What the Heck!!!!????? Have all you guys gone mad??? Doing a nationwide HIV test let alon making it mandatory would go against the Constitution. Why do you think they ask Rapist if they can get a sperm sample??? It's invasion of privacy. I'm all for helping others with aids and sh!t but don't go into there own personal business. I have only had sex with one person and thats my wife. So I'm not too worried about aids (well unless she decides to be shady). All this talk is seriously non-sense, and do you even know how aids was brought to the U.S???? An American visited Africa and did the hanky panky over there and brought that crap over here. So its not really immagrants that bring it from "THERE COUNTRY" its the people that already have in the U.S. that spread it to others.
    The part in bold might be true in USA but it sure isnt true in europe.

    If i have to invande the privacy of imigrants to protect the health of swedes you bet the imigrants privacy would be invaded. Hell they arent even citizens so why should I care. If they want the priveligde(sp?) to live in my country they should be ready to subject themself to such a thing.
    I wouldnt mind one bit if I was a imigrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    Dont forget the spread of HIV in some asian countries. Thailand is a disaster waiting to spread.

    Wow, I didnt know it was that common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOUNCER
    Apart from what AIZ suggested, I'd recommend serverely restricting movement out of, and into countries whose incidence of AID's are much above about 1% of the population. I'd stop all imigration from sub-Saharan Africa, and the one's who do escape should go through a quarantine processs like I suggested above.
    Instead of all that, all you have to do is educate people, about how it spreads.

    And people should stop sleeping around with so many people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    Instead of all that, all you have to do is educate people, about how it spreads.

    And people should stop sleeping around with so many people.

    well since people aint ever going to stop sleeping around I think we can rule that alternative out

    Education works but not as good as it should. People still screw without condoms. And in countries like africa with the church saying condom is a sin they are doomed.

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    problem is its old news. we got the bird flue to talk about now. sad but true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1819
    problem is its old news. we got the bird flue to talk about now. sad but true.
    Eat more beef and less chicken!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nismo
    Eat more beef and less chicken!!!
    i think people eatin the beef contibutes to the aids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1819
    i think people eatin the beef contibutes to the aids.
    LMAO good one

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    back to topic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    So everyone here would pretty much agree that nationwide, mandatory HIV tests would be a good thing??

    What other steps could be taken both on national and international level to put a stop to the pandemic??

    Interesting post on an interesting subject no doubt.

    Just what makes you think they are testing for "HIV"?


    According to the CDC 1.185 million Americans have HIV.....but there are only about 18 thousand deaths per year of these HIV positive people.

    That works out to a 60 plus year life span.

    Odd.




    Sounds like the non epidemic/pandemic to me.

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    The tests dont bother me, this happens every day. The person who is hopless who ends up positive is who I pray for.


    How scary it must be.

    I pray for you, there is ONE who loves you eternally.

    "do not worry" He said.

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    test his words

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    Contray to what the media makes it to be, its is not some big pandemic that is going to kill everyone. In the 80s it was believed that only gay men can contract it. There is no easy solution to the problem, save unethical means (extermination). Just take care of yourself, not much that can be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boots555
    The tests dont bother me, this happens every day. The person who is hopless who ends up positive is who I pray for.


    How scary it must be.

    I pray for you, there is ONE who loves you eternally.

    "do not worry" He said.
    I do worry....because the tests do not test for HIV. And there are at least 70 things that are well known to cause a positive test that are totally unrelated to "HIV". Things like pregnancy, carbohydrate complexes, flu vaccines, etc....

    Then the person is labeled for life and pressured to take the most toxic drugs available.

    The heck of it is that AZT, the infamous AIDS drug, was proposed as a chemotherapuetic drug for cancer victims in the 1950's. It was denied approval by the FDA.

    But then it was immediately approved for people with AIDS in 1986 or so....even though it did not fulfill mandatory clinical trials. In fact, there were documented accounts of participants flip flopping from treatment group to placebo group.....and that people in both groups were exchanging drugs and placebo pills.


    Bizarre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOUNCER
    I agree, infact I think that imigrants should be quarantined for at least six months (or more)...

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    that's a good idea, but IMO a better one is just not to let anyone from crap countries in, esp. in the small european countries like ireland and sweden.

    i don't know how i feel about manditory HIV testing. there is too much of an issue IMO with it being undetectable for a long time. if you look at the porn industry, they test all the time yet it spreads. women and gays need to be really careful about unprotected sex, and IV drug users have to be aware that no sharing a syringe with some guy named hellspawn isn't a great idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
    blame liberals!
    Yes, for this and many other problems that we are not allowed to deal with due to Political Correctness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOUNCER
    I agree, infact I think that imigrants should be quarantined for at least six months (or more) and only let into the country when they can show a clean bill of health and a means to support themselves for at least one year without social assistance.

    I also think a qouta should apply too. So that my countries culture isn't further deluted with this continued influx of undesirables.
    I am sure that you can appreciate Austrailias' immigration policy then. If you do not fit a need in the country, you are not allowed in. Can anyone imagine what the Left would do if this was the US's policy? It is just not politically correct to take the proper measuresneeded to ensure public safety.

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    double wrap and wait for natural selection..itll happen eventually

    actually, if i recall i read a study about a certain bloodline of europeans that are resistant into developing AIDS from HIV now

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