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    Arab leaders quotes about Palestine

    From http://members.tripod.com/arabterrorism/quotes.html

    "There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity.... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel."

    Zuheir Muhsin, late Military Department head of the PLO and member of its Executive Council (Dutch daily Trouw, March 1977)


    "Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees... while it is we who made them leave.... We brought disaster upon ... Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave.... We have rendered them dispossessed.... We have accustomed them to begging.... We have participated in lowering their moral and social level.... Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon ... men, women and children--all this in the service of political purposes...."


    Khaled Al-Azm, Syria's Prime Minister after the 1948 war

    "Since 1948 Arab leaders have approached the Palestine problem in an irresponsible manner.... they have used the Palestine people for selfish political purposes. This is ridiculous and, I could say, even criminal."

    King Hussein of Jordan, 1960

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    There is no such country as 'Palestine'; 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria"

    Statement by Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi to the Pell Commission in 1937


    It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria

    Statement by Ahmed Shuqeiri, to the UN Security Council in 1949

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    that you cite some quotes that is not 30 years old

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
    that you cite some quotes that is not 30 years old
    Yea.
    So?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rak_Ani
    Yea.
    So?

    we need quotes that are fresh and represent today!

    not 30-50 years ago

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    Very twisted as usual.

    The leaders who mentioned those quotes are Arab Nationalists and they beleive that all the Arab countries should be one country and that NO Arab country exists on its own and those independent countries where created by the British-France alliance in the sys-pico conspiracy agreement, so they believe there is no Lebanon, no Syria, no UAE ect

    And no Palestine but it is part of ONE arab nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
    we need quotes that are fresh and represent today!

    not 30-50 years ago

    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    Very twisted as usual.

    The leaders who mentioned those quotes are Arab Nationalists and they beleive that all the Arab countries should be one country and that NO Arab country exists on its own and those independent countries where created by the British-France alliance in the sys-pico conspiracy agreement, so they believe there is no Lebanon, no Syria, no UAE ect

    And no Palestine but it is part of ONE arab nation.

    Bull shit. A member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization who doesn't believe Palestine should exsist on it's own? And you claim the same about King Hussein?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rak_Ani
    Bull shit. A member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization who doesn't believe Palestine should exsist on it's own? And you claim the same about King Hussein?
    Please dont curse.

    What I said is fact. These leaders are Arab Nationalists. Most are even members of the original Baath Party. They advocated a one Arab state policy.

    Here is their symbol.



    Here is their flag, look familiar? There is no diffence between the Baath Party flag and the Palestinian flag.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba'ath_Party

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    George Habash the founder of Arab Nationalism Movement is ALSO the founder of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Habash

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    George Habash the founder of Arab Nationalism Movement is ALSO the founder of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Habash

    The PFLP is not the PLO...

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    And?

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    1. "How can people struggle for their nation, when most of them do not know the meaning of the word?...the people are in great need of a 'myth' to fill their consciousness and imagination"

    Musa Alami


    2. "Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees...while it is we who made them leave...We brought disaster upon...Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure upon them to leave...We have rendered them dispossed...We have accustomed them to begging...We have participated in lowering their moral and social level...then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon...men, women, and children-all this in the service of political purposes"

    Khalid al-Azm, Former Syrian Prime Minister


    3. "Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel..."

    Zuheir Muhsin, late Military Department Head of the PLO

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    Very twisted as usual.

    The leaders who mentioned those quotes are Arab Nationalists and they beleive that all the Arab countries should be one country and that NO Arab country exists on its own and those independent countries where created by the British-France alliance in the sys-pico conspiracy agreement, so they believe there is no Lebanon, no Syria, no UAE ect

    And no Palestine but it is part of ONE arab nation.


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    That is pathetic strategy, shameful propaganda, denying the existence of Palestine and the Palestinian people.

    From today on I dont reconize Israel and Israel people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    And?

    I'm missing the connection to George Habash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    That is pathetic strategy, shameful propaganda, denying the existence of Palestine and the Palestinian people.

    From today on I dont reconize Israel and Israel people.


    (Someone play the drama drums)

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    Its the truth. You two "Temporary Zionist Entity" occupants are spreading progaganda and instigating hate against the Palestinian people by dehumanizing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rak_Ani
    I'm missing the connection to George Habash.
    "The PLO includes Fatah, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), the Palestinian People's Party, the Palestine Liberation Front (PLF), the Arab Liberation Front (ALF), the Popular Struggle Front (PSF) and As-Sa'iqa as well as other minor groups."

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    C, listen up. The argument, and a good one can be made: Before Jews returned to Israel there was never a Palestinian People, never a Palestinian government, never a Palestinian currency, never a Palestinian sovereign nation in history. It's new, it's a myth to combat the Jewish State. Unfortunately, today, none of that matters. To the world: there is a Palestinian People. Even the UNRWA admits that huge percentages of "refugees" are in fact not refugees. They were never from the land but rather from neighboring Arab countries. They claimed "refugee status" in order to benefit from the rights of being under a UN agency. The Palestinian story is nothing more than a myth created by Arabs in order to deligitimize Israel.

    As you know the majority of the middle eastern Arab-Muslim nations are of recent establishment; early to middle of the 20th century. Nevertheless, to me Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Kuwait, and so on are all legitmite, sovereign nations with rich history and culture. There is no argument here. The Palestinians are a whole different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    "The PLO includes Fatah, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), the Palestinian People's Party, the Palestine Liberation Front (PLF), the Arab Liberation Front (ALF), the Popular Struggle Front (PSF) and As-Sa'iqa as well as other minor groups."

    Was Zuheir Muhsin a member of the PFLP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    That is pathetic strategy, shameful propaganda, denying the existence of Palestine and the Palestinian people.

    From today on I dont reconize Israel and Israel people.
    C, this is not a strategy, nor propaganda...this is a lot of fact and history. This is not an attack on you by any means.

    Open your eyes you would see that Israel and the Jewish People have no qualms with legitmate Arab nations with their rich culture and long history. I have posted those nations already: Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, etc.

    "Palestine" has never been real. Arab Muslim leaders have openly expressed this. This is not a Jewish message...this is an Arab-Muslim issue.

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    I dont care of the name. "Palestine" is part of the Arab state, and is a very important state of the Islamic empire. Call it Syria, Lebanon, Arabia, USA, anything. But it is part of the Arab/Islamic State. And will always be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    Its the truth. You two "Temporary Zionist Entity" occupants are spreading progaganda and instigating hate against the Palestinian people by dehumanizing them.
    No, C, your seeing this in the wrong way. We are not spreading "hate" against Palestinians. We are not dehumanizing them either. We, along with millions of others including historians, academics, and the like, simply know that the idea of "Palestinianism" is nothing more than a "myth". This is expressed by Muslims. Its not about hate. I don't hate them. If they prefer to call themselves Palestinian then I'll call them that. However, it doesn't mean that there is some deep rooted history lurking behind this description "Palestinian". There is none. There never has been.

    Try reading what we wrote...the quotes by Muslims and try and understand what it is we are trying to get across. It's not about Arabs, its not about hate...its about the myth of the Palestinians that's been force-fed to these people. Half of them believe they are descendents of some ancient Palestinian People. It never existed. Those that lived on the land simply identified themselves, first as family and tribe, and secondly as mainly part of Syria. "Palestinianism" arose with Arafat...20 years after Israel's creation.

    Did you know that many were offered to relocate to Jordan and other countries? The leaders of the Palestinian propaganda refused the offer. Why? Political tools they became! When they were relocated, some of them, what happened? Example: Kuwait, 1991: The Palestinians in Kuwait hailed Saddams illegal push into Kuwaiti territory. So, the Kuwaitis expelled them all...around 150,000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
    we need quotes that are fresh and represent today!

    not 30-50 years ago
    This is not recent but important.

    In Jaffa in May 1919, a Christian-Muslim assembly had convened and demanded a cessation of Jewish immigration, a prohibition on Jewish land purchases, and a representative government of Muslims, Christians and Jews - something that would preserve a permanent Arab majority and Jewish minority. But the assembly was not calling for an independent Palestine; on the contrary, its resolution declared that Palestine was part of Syria and that the government should have autonomy in "Greater Syria under the rule of Prince Faisal."
    Last edited by AIZ; 12-02-2005 at 06:18 PM.

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    Jospeh Farah is the biggest Islamic hater.

    Please dont make me post up quotes from "Israelies" and Jews like Vanunu, Shahak, and Noam Chomsky etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    I dont care of the name. "Palestine" is part of the Arab state, and is a very important state of the Islamic empire. Call it Syria, Lebanon, Arabia, USA, anything. But it is part of the Arab/Islamic State. And will always be.
    C, I'm sorry, its not. Palestine, a roman name given to the Land of Israel (historical fact), is not part of the "Arab state" that you claim...its Israel! It is a sovereign nation that is not Muslim nor Islamic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    Jospeh Farah is the biggest Islamic hater.

    Please dont make me post up quotes from "Israelies" and Jews like Vanunu, Shahak, and Noam Chomsky etc etc.
    I'll respect that and edit my post. That's fair.

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    The United States of America didnt exist before 1776, so it doesnt have the right to exist today. That is the ridiculous Zionist progaganda that is spread, people actually buy into that.

    All Middle Eastern States were recently created. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Jordan, Syria, every single one of them isnt more than 100 years old.

    They are all recent "inventions". A educated person would know that. Zionists leave out that fact, and make it seem like Palestine was the only one that was recently created.

    "Israel" also is a recent "invention".

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    All Middle Eastern States were recently created. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Jordan, Syria, every single one of them isnt more than 100 years old.

    They are all recent "inventions". A educated person would know that. Zionists leave out that fact, and make it seem like Palestine was the only one that was recently created.

    "Israel" also is a recent "invention".
    I don't know any one who denies that Israel is recent...60 years...created on May 14, 1948. This is not denied. We claim, according to proven history, that we were here at least 2,000 years before the advent of Islam and we returned home after being expelled. Nevertheless, there has always been, for 3,000 years, a Jewish presence in Israel/Palestine/Israel. We stayed in Tzfat, Jerusalem and other cities...continuously for thousands of years.

    By the way, I edited the former post.

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    Declaration of the 8th Palestinian National Congress

    "Jordan is linked to Palestine by a national relationship and a national unity forged by history and culture from earliest times. The creation of one political entity in East Jordan and another in Palestine would have no basis either in legality or as to the elements universally accepted as fundamental to a political entity."

    (R. Hamid (ed.) Muqararat al-majlis al-watani al-filastini 1964 Resolutions of the PNCs 1964-1974, Beirut, PLO Research Centre, 1975, p178 Declaration of the 8th Palestinian National Congress)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rak_Ani


    (Someone play the drama drums)

    I don't get it. He doesn't like the factual quotes by Muslim leaders that we post so he's going to no longer recognize Israel and the people of Israel

    I didn't think he recognized us before this thread. Oh, my bad, that was M'Guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by AIZ
    I don't know any one who denies that Israel is recent...60 years...created on May 14, 1948. This is not denied. We claim, according to proven history, that we were here at least 2,000 years before the advent of Islam and we returned home after being expelled. Nevertheless, there has always been, for 3,000 years, a Jewish presence in Israel/Palestine/Israel. We stayed in Tzfat, Jerusalem and other cities...continuously for thousands of years.

    By the way, I edited the former post.
    Funny how people switch it to "Islam" now, when the whole discussion has been about "Arabs" and "Jews". Arabs have been in that area as much as Jews.

    According to proven history the State of Israel did not exist before 1948.

    A series of Jewish kingdoms and states existed intermittently in the region for over a millennium until the failure of the Great Jewish Revolt against the Roman Empire resulted in widescale expulsion of Jews.

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    what difference is it if it's actually part of syria or jordan, the it's a part of those countries called Palestine, if you look at any historic map prior to 1948, the land there was always called Palestine, and the people who lived in it were called palestinians..and they are arabs..

    and today it's still a predomenently arab country, with Palestinians and Israeli Arabs being the largest ethnic block in the population of the state, despite the fact that 4 million Palestinians are in refugee camps outside israel/paelstine. The Israelis are a mix of immigrants from different countries often speaking Hebrew as a second language and often not speaking it at all..

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    Quote Originally Posted by eliteforce
    if you look at any historic map prior to 1948, the land there was always called Palestine, and the people who lived in it were called palestinians..and they are arabs..

    and today it's still a predomenently arab country, with Palestinians and Israeli Arabs being the largest ethnic block in the population of the state, despite the fact that 4 million Palestinians are in refugee camps outside israel/paelstine. The Israelis are a mix of immigrants from different countries often speaking Hebrew as a second language and often not speaking it at all..
    Everything you wrote was absoutely false except for the part about the map and about Israeli immigrants who struggle with Hebrew. I advise you to read, learn, and then post about the Conflict. Don't post falsities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    Funny how people switch it to "Islam" now, when the whole discussion has been about "Arabs" and "Jews". Arabs have been in that area as much as Jews.

    According to proven history the State of Israel did not exist before 1948.

    A series of Jewish kingdoms and states existed intermittently in the region for over a millennium until the failure of the Great Jewish Revolt against the Roman Empire resulted in widescale expulsion of Jews.

    I only used "Islam" to express exactly how long the Israelites were in the land before the advent of Islam. Follow? I wrote nothing offensive here.

    We already covered that the modern state of Israel was born in 1948.

    I don't understand what you are trying to say with the last sentence.

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    Just to be clear so no one misinterprets the thread:

    Those here saying that Palestinianism is a myth do not mean to say that the Arab Muslims and Christians who lived in pre-State Israel did not exist. Clearly they did. The idea of the myth is to express that "Palestinianism" as a form of national and self-Identity is a creation to try and demean the state of Israel. This is why quotes were posted by Arab officials, such as Prime Ministers, Kings, etc. There are not quotes here by Jews or Christians claiming their own idea of history. Nor are there quotes by so-called "self-hating Muslims". I simply want to be clear so people do not misunderstand. This is not about hate, propaganda, or denying human existence. This is about a national myth. That's all, nothing more, nothing less.

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    Jordanian officials on Palestine

    1. On August 23,1959, the Prime Minister of Jordan stated, "We are the Government of Palestine, the army of Palestine and the refugees of Palestine. Each day brings me closer to the realization that Palestine, as it wants to exist within the boundary of Israel, and impose this view on the world community, is a farce... an imaginative place with imaginative people. History proves over and over again that JORDAN IS INDEED PALESTINE."

    2. "Palestine and Jordan were both (by then) under British Mandate, but as my grandfather pointed out in his memoirs, they were hardly separate countries. Transjordan being to the east of the River Jordan, it formed in a sense, the interior of Palestine."
    King Hussein, writing in his Memoirs

    3. "Jordan is not just another Arab state with regard to Palestine but, rather, Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan in terms of territory, national identity, sufferings, hopes and aspirations, both day and night. Though we are all Arabs and our point of departure is that we are all members of the same people, the Palestinian-Jordanian nation is one and unique, and different from those of the other Arab states."
    Marwan al Hamoud, member of the Jordanian National Consultative Council and former Minister of Agriculture, quoted by Al Rai, Amman, 24th September 1980

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    Quote Originally Posted by AIZ
    We already covered that the modern state of Israel was born in 1948.

    I don't understand what you are trying to say with the last sentence.
    Israel never existed before 1948, its a myth and an invention of Zionists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eliteforce
    what difference is it if it's actually part of syria or jordan, the it's a part of those countries called Palestine, if you look at any historic map prior to 1948, the land there was always called Palestine, and the people who lived in it were called palestinians..and they are arabs..

    and today it's still a predomenently arab country, with Palestinians and Israeli Arabs being the largest ethnic block in the population of the state, despite the fact that 4 million Palestinians are in refugee camps outside israel/paelstine. The Israelis are a mix of immigrants from different countries often speaking Hebrew as a second language and often not speaking it at all..
    Exactly right, dont worry, the Zionists are too brainwashed to understand the truth.

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    So is Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Tunisia, Morrocco, India, Pakistan, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran etc etc etc also myths? Since their nations and boundaries were recently formed?

    Palestine is a land that is part of the Islamic empire, all of it, which consists of the "Temporary Zionist Entity", West Bank, and Gaza.

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