12-10-2005, 10:12 AM #1
Advocates of Normalization With Israel
"If We Speak With the Israelis We Can Support the Palestinian Cause"
Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf defended his position, saying: "We want to strengthen and support the Palestinian cause. We want to influence Israel to establish a Palestinian state. These are our intentions. If we never establish reciprocal relations with Israel, we will never be able to play any role [in the process], but if we speak with the Israelis we will at least be able to support the Palestinian cause, bring pressure [on Israel], and have an impact."  He also promised, however, that "we will never recognize Israel unless we are 200% sure that there will be a Palestinian state." 
"The Islamic Faith Does Not Forbid Normalization"
Al-Azhar Sheikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi issued a fatwa stating that "the Islamic faith does not forbid normalization [of relations] with other countries, and especially with Israel, as long as [the normalization] does not [pertain] to religious [matters] but to everyday interests and needs." 
Arab Journalists: The Arabs Should Consider Their Interests
Saudi journalist Yousuf Al-Sweidan wrote: "Pakistan's strong positions and positive moves should be an example to other Arab and Muslim countries. [This was] a quick response to the need to normalize relations with Israel, especially now that Israel has made progress towards peace by withdrawing from Gaza and from some of the settlements in the West Bank… A 'greater' State of Israel stretching from the Nile to the Euphrates is a scare invented by the Arabs to justify [their] political, financial and administrative corruption and the injustice [in their countries], and to avoid de****g with the political, liberal, and economic democracy in Israel…" 
Ahmad Al-Jarallah, editor of the Kuwaiti daily Al-Siyassa, regards the steps taken by Bahrain, Qatar, Tunisia, and Mauritania, and previously by Egypt and Jordan, as "proof that the Arabs love and want peace, contrary to Israeli publications [which characterize] the Arabs as warlike people, enemies of peace and of global stability." 
Another argument voiced by the advocates of normalization refers to the benefits that normalization would generate for the Arabs. Ibrahim Du'eibes, columnist for the Palestinian daily Al-Quds, defended Pakistan, saying that the Palestinians have no right to criticize it. "After all, we Palestinians negotiate with Israel, and moreover, we are angry when the negotiations stop. After the Oslo Accords, mutual recognition was established between Israel and the PLO, and we changed our national charter… Arab states such as Egypt and Jordan signed peace treaties with Israel. Some [Muslim] countries, such as Mauritania, exchanged ambassadors [with Israel], while other countries - from Morocco in the West to Qatar in the East - openly held diplomatic meetings [with Israelis]. In this situation, how can we admonish Pakistan for beginning to establish political relations with Israel, especially when Israel maintains close relations with India, Pakistan's neighbor and eternal enemy? We must become accustomed to thinking in a realistic and modern [way], and to looking out for our interests." 
Moroccan journalist Sa'id Mabshur also argued that normalization serves the Muslims' interests: "India, Pakistan's traditional enemy, has extensive relations with Israel and the U.S., which threaten the regional and strategic interests of Pakistan. In this situation, it is inevitable that the leadership in Islamabad will give serious thought to [adopting] a political position that will restore the regional balance and will provide wider freedom of action... Full normalization of relations with Israel will be rewarded with regional stability, even if the stability is temporary. Moreover, it is an effective and timely move at this stage of the competition between Pakistan and India, ensuring that [Pakistan] will be ready for any surprise that may result from India's unlimited openness towards the U.S. and Israel." 
12-10-2005, 03:29 PM #2
What's up M'guy, no comment on the progressiveness of these Muslims? I think its a great post. I know its not militant enough for you as it actually calls for peace.
12-10-2005, 03:37 PM #3
man come on every muslim knows that al azhar sheikh is a tool in the egyptian intelligence system, Pervez Musharraf is an American puppet now if USA lift the sheild his people will overthrow him , Al-siyasa newspaper is like a political playboy newspaper they just put political scandals and conspiracies to sell more copies as for Sa'id Mabshur and Yousuf Al-Sweidan I know nothing about them.
12-10-2005, 04:16 PM #4Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
12-10-2005, 04:19 PM #5Originally Posted by AIZ
12-10-2005, 04:37 PM #6
Whatever C. Open your eyes, man. You're missing so much
12-10-2005, 04:43 PM #7Originally Posted by AIZ
12-10-2005, 04:48 PM #8Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
12-10-2005, 04:59 PM #9Originally Posted by AIZ
no, they are getting kicked out now
12-10-2005, 08:39 PM #10Retired Vet
Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
- Join Date
- Nov 2001
Unfortunetly their not.
12-11-2005, 04:07 PM #11Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
counterpoint--There can never be peace while there is arab/muslim terrorism. Calls for peace during the arab/muslim terrorism can never occur, after the terrorism ends, then calls for peace makes sense. The other is an oxymoron.
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