12-12-2005, 11:50 AM #1
Racial Violence Continues in Australia
Any thoughts on this one?
SYDNEY, Australia — Young people riding in vehicles smashed cars and store windows in suburban Sydney late Monday, a day after thousands of drunken white youths attacked people they believed were of Arab descent at a beach in the same area in one of Australia's worst outbursts of racial violence.
Sunday's attack — apparently prompted by reports that Lebanese youths had assaulted two lifeguards — sparked retaliation by young men of Arab descent in several Sydney suburbs, fighting with police and smashing 40 cars with sticks and bats, police said. Thirty-one people were injured and 16 were arrested in hours of violence.
The rampage on Monday broke out in Cronulla, the same coastal suburb where the violence began, and in neighboring Carringbah, said Paul Bugden, spokesman for New South Wales police. Calm was restored by early Tuesday.
Bugden said six people were arrested and one person apparently was hit by a rock in Monday's violence. He did not have descriptions of those involved in the rampage, but he said it "obviously stems from the last 24-48 hours."
Australian Associated Press, citing a resident who declined to be named, said men riding in up to 50 cars and wielding baseball bats converged on Cronulla, smashing cars. Ambulances were called to help at least one injured man seen lying on the side of the road.
Steven Dawson said a bottle thrown through his apartment window in the suburb of Brighton-Le-Sands showered his 5-month-old son Caleb with glass, but did not hurt the child.
Horst Dreizner said a car had rammed into his denture store and he feared the violence would escalate. "Personally, I think it is only the beginning," he said in a telephone interview.
Elsewhere, about 300 people of Arab descent demonstrated against Sunday's attack outside one of Sydney's largest mosques, amid tight security.
The riots began Sunday after rumors circulated that youths of Lebanese descent were responsible for an attack last weekend on two lifeguards at Cronulla Beach. Police said the assault was not believed to be racially motivated.
Police, meanwhile, formed a strike force to track down the instigators of the attack, some of whom were believed to be from white supremacist groups. Police said they were also seeking an Arab man who allegedly stabbed a white man in the back.
Morris Iemma, the premier of New South Wales state, said police would use video images and photographs to track down the instigators. "Let's be very clear, the police will be unrelenting in their fight against these thugs and hooligans," he said.
Prime Minister John Howard condemned the violence, but said he did not believe racism was widespread in Australia.
"Attacking people on the basis of their race, their appearance, their ethnicity, is totally unacceptable and should be repudiated by all Australians irrespective of their own background and their politics," Howard said.
But he added: "I'm not going to put a general tag (of) racism on the Australian community."
Australia has long prided itself on accepting immigrants — from Italians and Greeks after World War II to families fleeing political strife in the Middle East and Southeast Asia. In the last census in 2001, nearly a quarter of Australia's 20 million people said they were born overseas.
However, tensions between youths of Arabic descent and white Australians have been rising in recent years, largely because of anti-Muslim sentiment fueled by the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks in the United States and deadly bombings on the Indonesian island of Bali that killed 202 people, including 88 Australians, in October 2002.
About 300,000 Muslims live in Australia, the majority in large cities.
"Arab Australians have had to cope with vilification, racism, abuse and fear of a racial backlash for a number of years, but these riots will take that fear to a new level," said Roland Jabbour, chairman of the Australian Arabic Council.
Police had increased the number of officers patrolling the beach in the Sydney suburb on Sunday after cell phone text messages urged people to gather there to retaliate for the attack on the lifeguards.
Police said more than 5,000 white youths, some wrapped in Australian flags and chanting racist slurs, fought with police, attacked people they believed to be of Arab descent and assaulted a pair of paramedics trying to help people escape the riot.
Police fought back with batons and pepper spray.
Many of the youths had been drinking heavily, police said. One white teenager had the words "We grew here, you flew here" painted on his back. Someone had written "100 percent Aussie pride" in the sand. TV broadcasts showed a group of young women attacking another woman, whose ethnicity was not clear.
The violence shocked this city of 4 million that considers itself a cultural melting pot.
"What we have seen yesterday is something I thought I would never see in Australia and perhaps we have not seen in Australia in any of our lifetimes and that is a mass call to violence based on race," Community Relations Commission chairman Stepan Kerkyasharian told Sky News.
Cronulla Beach, which is easily accessible by train but is not a popular destination for foreign tourists, is often visited by youngsters from poorer suburbs, many of them of Arab descent. Residents accuse the youths of traveling in gangs and sometimes intimidating other beachgoers.
Aborigines rioted in the Sydney neighborhood of Redfern in February 2004 after blaming police for the death of a 17-year-old boy. Forty police were wounded.
12-12-2005, 11:55 AM #2
I saw video of this, and those drunk Australian hooligans did the wrong thing. Those idiots targeted people of non-Arab descent too, because they werent "white". Its the crusades all over again.
They will pay for this.
12-12-2005, 03:00 PM #3
bla bla bla boring mate
let's kangoroos take the hold of it darby
12-12-2005, 04:02 PM #4Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
12-12-2005, 05:56 PM #5Member
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Who will pay exactly , the 'white'?
12-12-2005, 07:20 PM #6Originally Posted by O.fO.shO
Look at these hooligans. Bunch of drunks with nothing better to do.
12-12-2005, 07:53 PM #7~ Vet~ I like Thai Girls
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There is blame on both sides believe me, I am an Australian, This should be dealth with with Water Cannon and M16's. Bothe sides should have there collective arses kicked. Dont turn this into and white hates arab's thing, the hate is on both sides and both sides need to be deal with equaly
12-13-2005, 04:18 AM #8Member
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I'm not backing them , but from your perspective , whos to say thier not taking revenge for what Arab/Islam did to them . 'Revenge ' is only for Islam?? And don't tell me retaliation will come to specific individuals involved , odds are they blow up a bus of innocent .
That's one reason I'll never understand why people believe in Islam , it's basically a never ending circle of murders .
12-13-2005, 04:22 AM #9Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
IMO with no change in that attitude, revenge will lead to their doom.
12-13-2005, 06:58 AM #10Originally Posted by Bigen12
12-13-2005, 11:26 PM #11Originally Posted by O.fO.shO
Retaliations already came, when people attacked cars and damaged property. Both sides are idiots, but there is a huge wave of Islamic hate in Australia, they are probably one of the biggest enemy of muslims.
12-13-2005, 11:28 PM #12Originally Posted by Bigen12
They said Muslims would lead to their doom through all those periods, even when the number of muslims were less than 100 and they were attacked by thousands of people. It never happened and never will.
"The Prophet peace be upon him said:
'The nations shall gather and team up against you (i.e., Muslims) as the predators gather and team up against their preys. A questioner asked: 'Is it because of us being low in numbers at that day?' The Prophet replied: 'No, you that day shall be in great numbers, but you will be as powerless as the foam of the water on the surface of the river, and Allah shall remove any fear from your enemies toward you, and He shall put in your hearts a corruption.' A questioner asked: 'O Apostle of Allah, what is the corruption?' The Prophet replied: 'The love of life's amusements and the fear of death.'
(Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, The Book of Fierce Battles - The Gathering of all Nations against Islam, Book 37, Number 4297)
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12-13-2005, 11:39 PM #13Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
[18:93] When he reached the valley between two palisades, he found people whose language was barely understandable.
[18:94] They said, "O Zul-Qarnain, Gog and Magog are corruptors of the earth. Can we pay you to create a barrier between us and them?"
[18:95] He said, "My Lord has given me great bounties. If you cooperate with me, I will build a dam between you and them.
[18:96] "Bring to me masses of iron." Once he filled the gap between the two palisades, he said, "Blow." Once it was red hot, he said, "Help me pour tar on top of it."
[18:97] Thus, they could not climb it, nor could they bore holes in it.
[18:98] He said, "This is mercy from my Lord. When the prophecy of my Lord comes to pass, He will cause the dam to crumble. The prophecy of my Lord is truth."
[18:99] At that time, we will let them invade with one another, then the horn will be blown, and we will summon them all together.
12-14-2005, 11:16 AM #14
12-14-2005, 11:43 AM #15
Religion is the route of all evil. If you look at most of the wars and violent up risings, it’s all religion. In my opinion the need to believe in the all mighty or if you like some one or some thing more powerful than yourself is nothing but weakness within you. I do as I wont not as I am told by a priest or so called god. Its all crap and the sooner the world turns it’s back on religion the sooner we will become a peace loving world.
This is already happening in western countries like the UK, USA, France and Australia.
Lets stop this racist s—t as there are arse holes in all nations and no matter what colour your skin is we will never all like every one else.
12-14-2005, 02:16 PM #16Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
that is a very offensive thing to say. Germany back then could crush nations and almost singelhandedly fought a big chunk of the rest of the world. How do you think the jews would be able to defend themself in a nation brainwashed to destroy them?
12-14-2005, 02:23 PM #17
bla bla bla!
If the Muslim world would mind of his own business, there would be conflict that would have ended earlier (Balkan, Kosovo, Chechenya, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan)
this rhetoric of the muslim brother in help bring more sorrow, angers and tears than help.
In Australia (like here in canada) Muslim are a tiny part of the population and still we have to bend over and get ****ed in the ass without any KY, they took christmass trees, they took our crosses out from our schools, they took our religions out as it was alienating them, still they wonder why people are frustrated, hell get out of your muslim habibi jihad Allah bubble and see the real world as it is, this and liberals
12-14-2005, 04:11 PM #18Member
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I said I wasn't backing them , and I don't . I see thier anger at what extreme Islam did , and I see muslims point in France . I never said they had no reason .
The main differance is this . I can look at both situations and look at them as bad/wrong ect , by both sides . I would consider myself christian , but that dosn't effect my point of view .
You , as a muslim it seems , back any type of violence by other muslims and justify it by your god .
These aussie rednecks beat up , most probally , inncocent arabs . I see a problem with that , obviously so do you .
So why don't you see a problem with arabs blowing up innocent non-muslims? Or in this case killing those few aussies?
12-14-2005, 07:19 PM #19Originally Posted by O.fO.shO
No one killed Aussies. Where did you hear that from?
12-14-2005, 08:18 PM #20
I think they should all just have a drink of their choice and smoke some weed
LIFE IS GOOD!!!
12-14-2005, 08:21 PM #21Originally Posted by O.fO.shO
The trouble makers are Christians, and I am defending them, against atheistic drunks.
12-15-2005, 03:27 PM #22Member
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[QUOTE=CAUSASIAN]I have always said killing innocent people is wrong, and totally unislamic an immoral.
Who will pay exactly , the 'white'? [QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CAUSASIAN]Whoever. Revenge is deeply rooted in Arabic/Islamic culture.[QUOTE]
I asked you who would pay , you said 'whoever' . That kinda means who cares , as long as they blow someone up . Which totally defines Islam . From a christian view point , revenge would be a trait of satan , in the muslim it is of god , I can see why they clash so much .
12-15-2005, 03:59 PM #23Originally Posted by O.fO.shO
There is a thin line between justice and revenge. Justice is a form of revenge.
Personal revenge is wrong in Islam, totally wrong, but revenge for your religion or the prophets is ok, I think.
"While the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) was sitting with some of his companions, a man reviled AbuBakr and insulted him. But AbuBakr remained silent. He insulted him twice, but AbuBakr controlled himself. He insulted him thrice and AbuBakr took revenge on him. Then the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) got up when AbuBakr took revenge.
AbuBakr said: Were you angry with me, Apostle of Allah?
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) replied: An angel came down from Heaven and he was rejecting what he had said to you. When you took revenge, a devil came down. I was not going to sit when the devil came down. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, General Behavior (Kitab Al-Adab), Book 41, Number 4878)"
12-15-2005, 04:01 PM #24
I said revenge is deeply rooted in Arab/Islamic culture, Islam shuns revenge.
12-15-2005, 04:57 PM #25Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
so a kangoroo for a kangoroo
a panda for a panda?
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