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    U.S: PA may lose aid if Hamas runs in elections

    If Hamas is a "designated international terror group", according to the State Department, then providing aid to the PA if Hamas is elected goes against the U.S. Foreign Aid Act.

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    WASHINGTON (AP) - The U.S. House of Representatives on Friday passed a resolution that conditioned future financial aid to the Palestinian Authority on the exclusion of Hamas from the upcoming parliamentary elections next month.

    According to the resolution, any Hamas participation in the government of the PA "will potentially undermine the ability of the United States to have a constructive relationship with or provide further assistance to the Palestinian Authority."

    In the resolution, passed on a 397-17 vote, the House also urged PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas to declare before the election that he intends to dismantle terrorist organizations.

    The House resolution, which has more than 150 sponsors, says the participation of Hamas in the PA government "will inevitably raise serious questions for the United States about the commitment of the Palestinian Authority and its leadership to making peace with Israel.

    The State Department lists Hamas as a terror organization.

    Hamas' prospects to win more seats may have improved after a sweeping victory in the local elections in the West Bank on Thursday. In another blow to Abbas, young activists in the ruling Fatah party broke away Wednesday to form their own faction.

    State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Thursday U.S. policy on Hamas was unchanged. "It's a terrorist organization; we don't deal with it. "

    Rep. Tom Lantos, the top Democrat on the House International Relations
    Committee, said Hamas should be disqualified on two grounds - as a terrorist group and as a group that denies Israel's right to exist.

    "There is a third reason as well," he said. "Hamas is a fundamentalist, jihadist organization that has nothing but contempt for democracy, though it is more than happy to exploit democracy for its own nefarious ends".

    Rep. Ileanna Ros-Lehtinen, chairman of the House International Relations subcommittee on the Middle East and Central Asia, said the resolution takes a united stand "against the attempts of the murderous Islamic extremist organizations to hijack the elections."

    She said Hamas participating in the voting "will destroy any hope for peace and security for Israel."

    President George W. Bush has said Hamas "terrorists are preparing a future of oppression and misery."

    Ros-Lehtinen said a mistake already was made this summer when Lebanon allowed Hezbollah, another militant Islamic group, to participate in elections despite its refusal to disarm and dismantle its infrastructure in violation of a UN Security Council resolution.

    The United States continues to deal with the Lebanese government even though Hezbollah has a seat in its Cabinet.

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    but Hamas is already runing and wining, people want Hamas thats the choice of the people, USA should stop the hypocricy , you cant praise democracy yet defy it, the Palestinians want Hamas and they elected the Hamas representative I dont understand whats the problem!!!
    Palestinian militant group Hamas has won a sweeping victory in municipal elections in the West Bank.
    The Palestinian electoral commission said that in the biggest city, Nablus, Hamas took 73% of the vote, while the mainstream Fatah organisation took 13%.

    Nablus has traditionally been seen as a Fatah stronghold, but the party appears to have been damaged by current splits.

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    The USA doesn't want a terrorist organization in charge of a country. I think that is understandable.

    For you that do not understand let me write a simple equation.

    Hamas = Terrorists

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    Why is the US meddling in the democratic process. The people picked Hamas.

    Its funny that people want it both ways, you cant say have a democractic election but these people cant be elected.

    Its either one or the other. Make up your mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    Why is the US meddling in the democratic process. The people picked Hamas.

    Its funny that people want it both ways, you cant say have a democractic election but these people cant be elected.

    Its either one or the other. Make up your mind.
    Uh, why not? Certain political parties just shouldn't be in charge of a country. Especially terrorists...

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriptfactory
    Uh, why not? Certain political parties just shouldn't be in charge of a country. Especially terrorists...
    Democracy is democracy, if you say these parties cannot run, and these people cannot run, you are not democratic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    Democracy is democracy, if you say these parties cannot run, and these people cannot run, you are not democratic.
    I guess you are right. It's just kinda messed up. I mean, these people are voting for terrorists to represent them to the rest of the world, meaning they share in these terroristic ideals. They are putting themselves and their children in danger... but I guess they don't care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriptfactory
    I guess you are right. It's just kinda messed up. I mean, these people are voting for terrorists to represent them to the rest of the world, meaning they share in these terroristic ideals. They are putting themselves and their children in danger... but I guess they don't care.
    Well that is democracy for you.

    Even in Iraq, the party that won the most seats is the UNITED IRAQI ********. And that party has the Hizbollah party in it. As well as the Mehdi Army and the Badr Bridgades who the US has called "terrorists" recently.

    Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt won the majority of the seats and they are banned in Egypt and they are the fathers of the Palestinian resistance groups.

    Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriptfactory
    I guess you are right. It's just kinda messed up. I mean, these people are voting for terrorists to represent them to the rest of the world, meaning they share in these terroristic ideals. They are putting themselves and their children in danger... but I guess they don't care.
    I will say it again, if Gandhi or Mother Theresa was to run the Palestinian government they would be shown as terrorists by Israel, and eventually the world will belive it. So having Hamas in there is no different, because who ever it is, Arafat or Abbas, they will all be called terrorists and criminals and violent people etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    I will say it again, if Gandhi or Mother Theresa was to run the Palestinian government they would be shown as terrorists by Israel, and eventually the world will belive it. So having Hamas in there is no different, because who ever it is, Arafat or Abbas, they will all be called terrorists and criminals and violent people etc etc.
    Or... The Palestinians could just stop doing things that label them as terrorists like, just an example, terrorist attacks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    Why is the US meddling in the democratic process. The people picked Hamas.

    Its funny that people want it both ways, you cant say have a democractic election but these people cant be elected.

    Its either one or the other. Make up your mind.

    Got to agree with you. Let them elect who ever they want to. Meddling with election processes will create enormous hatred.

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    the boy scout are a terrorist organisation under the soviet intelligence

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    Personally, I would say this:

    To the Americans: don't meddle in the free-election process; if the Palestinians want to be represented by Hamas, that's their choice.

    To the Palestinians: don't meddle in U.S. financial affairs; if the U.S. wants to cancel AID that's America's choice...not a Palestinian choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    I will say it again, if Gandhi or Mother Theresa was to run the Palestinian government they would be shown as terrorists by Israel, and eventually the world will belive it. So having Hamas in there is no different, because who ever it is, Arafat or Abbas, they will all be called terrorists and criminals and violent people etc etc.

    Don't you mean "Khazarael" (or something like that?.. You asked us to remind you if you forgot)

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    Got to agree with you. Let them elect who ever they want to. Meddling with election processes will create enormous hatred.
    It isn't meddling, we can and should decide who we send our money to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AIZ
    Personally, I would say this:

    To the Americans: don't meddle in the free-election process; if the Palestinians want to be represented by Hamas, that's their choice.

    To the Palestinians: don't meddle in U.S. financial affairs; if the U.S. wants to cancel AID that's America's choice...not a Palestinian choice.


    Absolutely!

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    It is meddling, the PA is the current ruling party. And are seperate from Hamas. By threating the PA, you are asking the PA to find a way so that Hamas doesnt win.

    One of the famous ways in meddling in with other nations affairs is through finincial threats, which is a good example of sanctions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    It is meddling, the PA is the current ruling party. And are seperate from Hamas. By threating the PA, you are asking the PA to find a way so that Hamas doesnt win.

    One of the famous ways in meddling in with other nations affairs is through finincial threats, which is a good example of sanctions.
    And the U.S. is a free and democratic nation that can choose who to give to and why (or why not) to give. If they don't like the PA for certain reasons, its not undemocratic to withold funds.

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    Now the EU may halt AID

    Looks like the Europeans are joining in as well


    Solana: Hamas victory may imperil EU aid to PA

    European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana on Sunday warned that the EU could halt tens of millions of dollars of aid to the Palestinian Authority if the armed group Hamas wins next month's Palestinian elections and fails to renounce violence.

    Hamas, which has killed hundreds of Israelis in suicide bombing attacks, swept municipal elections in several West Bank cities last week, reflecting Palestinian dissatisfaction with the ruling Fatah Party.

    The strong showing, combined with bitter infighting within Fatah, has raised concerns that Hamas could win the Jan. 25 Palestinian parliamentary elections.

    "All the political parties have the right to be part of the elections, but there is a certain code of conduct that has to be accepted by everybody," Solana told reporters during a visit to Tel Aviv. "It's very difficult that parties who do not condemn violence...can be partners for the future."

    Solana said that an administration including a party which failed to clearly reject violence and recognize Israel's right to exist could not continue to receive EU funding. EU aid is slated to reach $ 312 million in 2006.

    "It would be very difficult for the help and the money that goes to the
    Palestinian Authority to continue to flow," he said. "The taxpayers in the European Union, members of the parliament of the European Union, will not be in a position to sustain that type of political activity."

    The U.S. House of Representatives Friday passed a resolution stating that
    American support for the Palestinian Authority would be placed at risk by any Hamas participation in government.

    Israeli officials have also called on Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas to bar Hamas from the parliamentary election, saying a victory by the group would deal a devastating blow to peace prospects.

    The Palestinians rely on the international community for roughly half of their annual operating budget. Still, Palestinian officials, including those from Fatah, have backed Hamas' right to contest the elections and urged the international community to stay out of internal Palestinian affairs.

    A senior official in the Fatah party - which has faced stiff opposition from Hamas in local elections in the West Bank and Gaza - rejected on Sunday morning the the U.S. Congress' decision to call for a ban on Hamas in the upcoming Palestinian parliamentary elections.

    In a vote of 397 to 17, Congress resolved that "terrorist organizations such as Hamas should not be permitted to participate in Palestinian elections until such organizations recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state, cease incitement, condemn terrorism, and permanently disarm and dismantle their terrorist infrastructure." The American legislature also demanded Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas make a decision to dismantle the "terrorist groups," in reference to armed factions, before the polls are held.

    Congress also voted to freeze aid to the PA if Hamas takes part in the elections.

    "Abu Mazen [Abbas] will not prevent Hamas participation in the elections," Fares Kadoura told Israel Radio on Sunday morning. "First of all, this would contradict Palestinian law. We don't need to coordinate our internal policies in accordance with what is decided there in Congress. No one can dictate to the Palestinian people their method of government."

    Foreign Ministry Director General Ron Prosor Sunday morning said he is satisfied with Congress' decision.

    "The decision made by the House of Representatives ... sets clear boundaries for the Palestinian Authority and for Abu Mazen [PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas]," Prosor said. "It says, 'Dear Sir, If you do not act now against terrorism, the Palestinian people will pay the price.' We want to present the Palestinian people with a very clear choice - a vote for Hamas will lead to economic sanctions.

    "It needs to be clear that Hamas' participation will completely level the diplomatic process," Prosor said.

    Hamas to run despite Congress' call
    Hamas will participate in the Palestinian parliamentary elections next month despite a call from the U.S. House of Representatives to ban the militant Islamic group from running, Palestinian officials said Saturday.

    "The legislative elections will be held as scheduled," PA spokesman Nabil Abu Rudeineh said. "The democratic right to participate in the election is guaranteed by law. We cannot exclude anybody."

    Hamas, running in the election for the first time, is expected to make a strong showing in the January 25 ballot, riding high on a wave of popularity over its corruption-free image and its extensive charity network in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

    Hamas has also received a boost from a rift in Abbas' ruling Fatah faction, which, unless healed, could dilute support for the mainstream party.

    Israel warned on Thursday that if Hamas achieved political dominance it would spell an end to all hopes for peace talks because the group is sworn to Israel's destruction. Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom, who called the decision "very important," reiterated Israel's position that it would not allow Hamas to take part in elections for the PA Legislative Council (the parliament), which he said would "bring about the creation of `Hamastan' in the territories."

    Adding that such a move would "put us back 50 years," Shalom called on Abbas to "decide if he is giving in to Hamas or standing with the international community against terror. This is a fateful decision for the future of the PA and for his own future."

    "The American administration is not interested in democracy and if it is, it is because it does not intend to respect the outcome," senior Gaza Hamas leader, Isamil Hania, said. "The decision and the American position show a double standard in American policy. The Americans are pressuring everyone in Lebanon and Syria and Iraq, and not every American demand must be met.

    "The weapon of resistance will remain in the hands of the resistance as long as the Palestinian nation is occupied. The nation preserves the weapon and does not operate according to an American agenda. The participation of Hamas in the elections and in the Palestinian government will only strengthen Palestinian national unity," he said.

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    cutting aid is also undemocratic because its an economy pressure its not different than the military pressure, any kind of pressure (economy,politics,military) to change the elections or to punish the winners is against democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
    cutting aid is also undemocratic because its an economy pressure its not different than the military pressure, any kind of pressure (economy,politics,military) to change the elections or to punish the winners is against democracy.
    It also goes against American Law to give any economic aid to a "designated international terror organization". Hamas is on this list. If Hamas is elected then the U.S. has a responsibility to stop aid because it clearly goes against the U.S. Foreign Assistance Acts.

    "The U.S. has designated Hamas a Foreign Terrorist Organization (66 Fed. Reg. 51088) and a Specially Designated Global Terrorist (SDGT) under Executive Order 13224, "Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Persons who Commit, or Support Terrorism."

    "A host of U.S. statutes expressly prohibit Americans from giving assistance to named terrorist states and organizations. They include:

    Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 that prohibits individuals from providing support to foreign organizations that engage in terrorist activities and provides for the designation of "terrorist organizations" by the Secretary of State.

    National Defense Authorization Act for 1996 that prohibits the Defense Department from providing funds to terrorist countries or those aiding terrorists. Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 that prohibits foreign assistance to terrorist supporting countries.

    Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 1996, that bars funds to countries that provide sanctuary to any individual or group responsible for terrorism or supports such terrorism.

    Omnibus Appropriations Act of 1997 that bars funds to any government that provides lethal military equipment to a terrorist country.

    Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA Patriot Act) Act of 2001 designates as "unlawful conduct" the provision of material support or resources or expert advice or assistance to a foreign terrorist organization or to conspire to do so."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOUNCER
    Don't you mean "Khazarael" (or something like that?.. You asked us to remind you if you forgot)

    BUMP for C

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOUNCER
    Don't you mean "Khazarael" (or something like that?.. You asked us to remind you if you forgot)
    Thanks. I would also like to put that in quotation marks. "Khazarael".

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
    cutting aid is also undemocratic because its an economy pressure its not different than the military pressure, any kind of pressure (economy,politics,military) to change the elections or to punish the winners is against democracy.
    Yes. Like Venezuela is a constitutional democracy. When Hugo Chavez won people started saying they arent a democracy.

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    to USA democracy= every governement that support USA

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
    to USA democracy= every governement that support USA
    To Islamofascists=every government is either an infidel or an apostate nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AIZ
    To Islamofascists=every government is either an infidel or an apostate nation.
    JewishZioFascists=destroy , kill and invade others lands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
    JewishZioFascists=destroy , kill and invade others lands.

    they kill land?

    with what? Wipeout or Killex?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
    JewishZioFascists=destroy , kill and invade others lands.

    M'guy...a big SHALOM from Eretz Yisrael

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