12-20-2005, 07:04 AM #1Originally Posted by Bigen12
The US was the most intolerant nation in the world, that had the worst slavery and racism out of any nation.
12-20-2005, 07:11 AM #2Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
You loose control because of your high rate of speed, hit "others" and kill them, you are restricting their freedom.
12-20-2005, 07:19 AM #3Originally Posted by Bigen12
12-20-2005, 08:10 AM #4Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
You're in a hell of a mood this morning...
Maybe most accidents, but the deadly ones happen at high speed.
12-20-2005, 08:14 AM #5Originally Posted by Bigen12
Of the 384,453 vehicle collisions involving property damage, personal injury and fatality, only 25,943 were deemed to be speed related. That's a whopping 6.7%
In Britian 95% of the accidents happen at legal speeds.
12-20-2005, 08:30 AM #6
Speeding Tickets, Another infringement of our rights?
CAUSASIAN and I were debating this in another thread, and going way off topic, so I moved our discussion here.
12-20-2005, 08:35 AM #7Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
From what I've found it seems that 1/3 of all traffic deaths are speed related.
There are about 3 million c*****elated injuries a year, 2 million permanent injuries and 40,000 deaths in the U.S. each year. The Department of Transportation's statistics indicate that accidents are generally related to irresponsible driving behavior. About 40% of fatalities are related to drinking and driving, 30% to speeding and about 33% from a car going off the road (these groups are not mutually exclusive). Seat belt use is only at about 68% nationally, despite it being a highly cost-effective means to prevent fatalities and serious injuries.
So if everyone obeyed the speed limits we could lower the traffic deaths by roughly 12,000 deaths a year.
12-20-2005, 08:42 AM #8
In the uk the law is so fuked up IMO. If the speed cameras are hiden it means it wont stand up in court. They have to be bright yellow. This IMO is counter productive. If you know a speed camera location.....you WILL slow down
12-20-2005, 08:47 AM #9
somebody must have got caught speeding...LOL J/K
12-20-2005, 08:49 AM #10
Study: Speed Kills ... Some Of Us
(AP) Raising the speed limit to 70 mph or more increases the risk of driving-related deaths for women and the elderly, but not for younger men, a study has found.
Twenty-nine states have raised their speed limits to at least 70 mph since Congress abolished the national 55-mph limit in 1995, and several more states are debating whether to increase their speed limits.
While states that raised their speed limits experienced no increase in the overall number of traffic-related deaths, fatalities per 100,000 people rose 10 percent for women and 13 percent for the elderly, researchers found. There was no increase for men under the age of 65, says the study, which appears in the June issue of the journal Economics Letters.
The study doesn't explain the reasons for the difference, but co-author Thomas Dee, an assistant economics professor at Swarthmore College, theorizes that a higher speed limit increases the disparity of driving speeds and thus the risk of accidents.
"The conventional view is often that speed kills. But some people ... would argue that the variance of speed kills," Dee said Wednesday.
Eric Skrum, communications director for the National Motorists Association, a Wisconsin-based drivers organization that supports higher speed limits called the study's findings "junk."
"When you set (the speed limit) at an appropriate level, you have a higher compliance with the speed limit, less weaving in and out of traffic ... a safer driving environment," Skrum said.
While highway deaths may be increasing for women and the elderly, men are still killed on the roads in far greater numbers. Nearly 28,000 men died in automobile crashes in 2001, compared with more than 13,000 women, according to government statistics.
I have often wondered about this, if everyone drove 80 would it be safer on the interstate, than some driving 70 and others 40 the min. speed limit?
12-20-2005, 09:11 AM #11
I think accidents are more because of reckless driving instead of speeding. If everyone went the same speed, speed wouldnt matter. Even if it was 100mph.
12-20-2005, 09:14 AM #12Originally Posted by NYGIANTS21
12-20-2005, 09:17 AM #13Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
That I agree with,
So what do we do with the people who aren't willing to go that fast???
Not let them drive, or simply do what should be done to the people who drive slow in the fast lane, run them off the road and cause them to die in a large fireball??
12-20-2005, 09:18 AM #14Originally Posted by Bigen12
12-20-2005, 09:26 AM #15
Also why I brought this up is to show that no society has true freedom.
free·dom ( P ) Pronunciation Key (frdm)
The condition of being free of restraints.
Every society has restraints. There is nothing as freedom. We all live under a certain rules and guidelines.
12-20-2005, 09:36 AM #16Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
I would have to agree that every society does have restraints. But when those restraints are to ensure others freedoms or rights I can understand them.
12-20-2005, 10:14 AM #17
2 nights ago I bottomed out going 115 while racing my friend. I scraped a hole in my trans pan, luckily it was just that because a new trans for audi is like 5 g's. I drive fast constantly whether i have the right to or not.
12-20-2005, 10:25 AM #18
If the left lane was used solely for the people who want to speed, and the right lane was for the slow ****ers, there wouldnt be any accidents. But no, these pussy driving caravan captains gotta hold me up in the passing lane. Ever notice that? It's always one of those ****ing vans thats in your way!!!! I recently had to trade my attorney some juice for his attorney fee so I can get out of this shit. And it was NPP I had to give up!!!!!
12-20-2005, 10:38 AM #19
I always flash my high beams if people are driving slow in the left lane, it pisses me off to no end. I remember one time on my way to the shore there was a vette on the expressway and we were making openings for each other in traffic and really working as a team to drive fast and get through moderate traffic; that was ****in awesome. But I try to keep in mind that not everyone drives a fast car and most cars cant handle well past 80, but they can still get the f outta my way.
12-20-2005, 11:55 AM #20
The problem with increasing speeds to 100mph is reaction time. Things at 100 become a lot more crucial than at 65. When you're traveling at 100mph, generally speaking there are 4 patches of tire about the size of your thumb actually making contact with the roadway. That means that hitting things like bumps,potholes,and any other road hazard you can think of, can be alot more destabilizing for the car than at 65mph when a lot more of your tires surface is in contact with the ground. So as you go up in MPH, you sacrafice the stability of the vehicle, and thats just on a day with PERFECT weather. So if you add in all the other variables I think that increasing the speed limit would not benefit many, as I think the MAJORITY of motorists are not expereinced enough or competent enough to handle their vehicles at high sppeds. Think about how many dumb mother****ers you run into on a day to day basis driving, do you want those same stupid assholes being able to drive 100mph legally? I dont, and this is coming from someone who on long trips will usually do 100+mph.
Onto the speeding ticket issue, yes speeding is dangerous in most instances. However, I've been pulled over NUMEROUS times for doing 20+mph over, and have always talked my way to a lesser charge or no ticket at all. I have also been chased by the state police at 140+Mph, and was able to escape withuot them getting my tags(had a temp plate in the window at the time). I believe those of us with higher performance and price tag cars, are actually the more responsible drivers on the road, and would be the only ones really suitable to drive at speeds like that. The real dangers are the soccer moms, elderly people in buicks, the late 50s balding asshole on his cell phone, and the 17 year old kids who just get their licenses. In my experience, those are the most common people I run into on the road who are absolutely ****ing oblivious to how to drive on the road. *end rant*
12-20-2005, 12:02 PM #21Originally Posted by Bigen12
Seat belt and helmet laws suck... Anything that does not harm another or infringe on their pursuit of life and happiness should not be a crime.
12-20-2005, 12:07 PM #22Originally Posted by thegodfather
You've never experienced quattro all wheel drive
12-20-2005, 12:10 PM #23
A buddy of mine has an A4, nice cars...But thats a small percentage of people who have those cars...Id hate to see a Dodge Caravan doing 100, and get a little bit of body roll changing lanes and tumble across the highway like a slinkey.
12-20-2005, 12:33 PM #24
hahaha yeah ive always felt it was unfair to hold all car to the same standards from 18 wheelers to performance cars. It's the old mother fvckers who go 5 less than the speed limit that are the real hazard, making me pass in no passing zones and on shoulders. It's annoying, but it would be too hectic to hold different people to different standards; so Ill just continue drive with in my own and my cars parameters.
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