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    Arab World Statistics: What can be done?

    The Arab Middle East has an abundance of potential and an abundance of resources; that is, both oil and gas as well as human capital. The Saudis sit on 25% of the world's petroleum supply and the Palestinians (and Jordanians) have the highest educated populations out of all of the Arab-Muslim World. Look at the statistics below and tell: how is this possible and what can be done?

    --The 22-nation Arab League (280 million people) produced a combined gross domestic product of US$531.2 billion in 1999, less than the single Western nation Spain.

    --The real income of the average Arab citizen was just 13.9 percent that of the average citizen of Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) countries.

    --Only 0.6 percent of the population uses the internet, and the personal computer penetration rate is only 1.2 percent.

    --Arab governments' overall investment in research and development does not exceed 0.5 percent of the GNP.

    --The unemployment rate across Arab countries is about 15 percent, which is "among the highest rate in the developing world."

    --Manufacturing exports have remained stagnant and private capital flows have lagged those of other regions.

    --Even in oil and oil-related products, which accounts for over 70 percent of export from the region, the rate of growth was only 1.5 percent per year.

    --No generation of young Arabs has been as large as today's.

    --Despite recent progress made on the status of women, more than half of
    Arab women are still illiterate. They also suffer from inequality of opportunity in employment-status, wages, and gender-based occupational segregation.

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    Well for one they will have to change there attitude.
    First of all they are divided amongst themselves. They have corrupt non-democratic regimes. The powers that be, have all the money and power. As soon as the oil runs out many arab countries will turn into basically into the pre-oil era:desert, bedouins, nomads. They have to invest in other fields just because they dont have other resources. They cant exactly support themselves by selling dates and sand. I think they have to look at themselves from the inside rather then the outside. They have to take responsibilty and share the blame instead of allocating to others. They have to open their eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prada
    Well for one they will have to change there attitude.
    First of all they are divided amongst themselves. They have corrupt non-democratic regimes. The powers that be, have all the money and power. As soon as the oil runs out many arab countries will turn into basically into the pre-oil era:desert, bedouins, nomads. They have to invest in other fields just because they dont have other resources. They cant exactly support themselves by selling dates and sand. I think they have to look at themselves from the inside rather then the outside. They have to take responsibilty and share the blame instead of allocating to others. They have to open their eyes.
    what needs to happen is that the west needs to stop ****ing around in there countries.

    - we change the geo-politics of regions so that they benifit us rather then the natives of that region.

    - we install pupet dictators in other peoples countries.

    - we arm, fund, support and protect some of the most murderous governments on the planet.

    - we use there countries as giant car parks for our millitries which where let in by dictators which we put into power even though the people are against our millitry pressence in there countries.

    - when there dictators which we put into power like saddam hussain stop listning to our commands and grow some balls we put sanctions against there countries starving there nation men, women and children to death.


    we need to start treating arabs like humans rather then blobs of walking oil.

    when this happens democracy will really come to them.


    we support these thugs in there countries becuase they guarentee us oil shipments on a regular basis our governments dont want democracy for the arabs but they want a new way to manipulate other peoples countries thats why "democracy in the middle-east" is the new buzz word in the west becuase using this we can get pro-american anti-muslim/anti-arab governments into power in there country and notting will change.

    when we stop manipulating the region the region will start to prosper.

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    what the hell with the west!

    the arab world always blaim everyone for their problems!

    The roman, the mongols, the ottoman, the brits and now the US!

    it has nothing to do with the west, it takes an arab to exploit another arab,

    they are so into corruption, tribes, that they should first look at their ways before blaiming anyone else

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    Fundamentalism is to blame. Any place where fundamentalism reigns is backwards. That doesn't just include islamic fundamentalism, christian fundamentalism is just as bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prada
    Well for one they will have to change there attitude.
    First of all they are divided amongst themselves. They have corrupt non-democratic regimes. The powers that be, have all the money and power. As soon as the oil runs out many arab countries will turn into basically into the pre-oil era:desert, bedouins, nomads. They have to invest in other fields just because they dont have other resources. They cant exactly support themselves by selling dates and sand. I think they have to look at themselves from the inside rather then the outside. They have to take responsibilty and share the blame instead of allocating to others. They have to open their eyes.
    Well put, you saved me some typing.

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    what can be done is a comprehensive peace deal with Israel-which means Israel gives back the land captured in 1967 (or something very close to [very very close to it]) in exchange for normalization with the arabs states , that will allow the arab states to change their economies so they are not burdened with too much defense spending..and will allow israel to improve it's economic situation by investing in arab states..

    before you say that "clinton/barak offered this"..they did not offer this, i've seen the maps of what they offered and it was totally rejectionist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eliteforce
    what can be done is a comprehensive peace deal with Israel-which means Israel gives back the land captured in 1967 (or something very close to [very very close to it]) in exchange for normalization with the arabs states , that will allow the arab states to change their economies so they are not burdened with too much defense spending..and will allow israel to improve it's economic situation by investing in arab states..

    before you say that "clinton/barak offered this"..they did not offer this, i've seen the maps of what they offered and it was totally rejectionist.
    Elite, two of my professors were negotiators at Camp David (both left-wing) so I know exactly what was offered.

    Your answer for the question about Arab stats was littered with the word ISRAEL over and over.

    Basically, what you've said is this: Israel is the reason that the Arabs can't get their economies going, or for the illiteracy, or lack of women's rights. To me that's strange because Israel is a tiny state with no natural resources yet our GDP per capita rivals some Western European nations. We do fine even though we are always in defensive mode.

    Saudia Arabia is much larger than we are, bigger population and land mass, sitting on 25% of the oil supply and their unemployment is upwards at 25%. I don't think it has anything to do with Israel.

    Jordan has the highest (along with the Palestinians) education among Arab-Muslims yet their unemployment is staggering and Jordan's economy is in the toilet. Israel does many joint ventures with the Jordanians, and we have a peace deal...can't do much more for them.

    The Arabs are the reason for their issues. They can work it out. Not everything is Israel's fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isolatex
    what needs to happen is that the west needs to stop ****ing around in there countries.

    - we change the geo-politics of regions so that they benifit us rather then the natives of that region.

    - we install pupet dictators in other peoples countries.

    - we arm, fund, support and protect some of the most murderous governments on the planet.

    - we use there countries as giant car parks for our millitries which where let in by dictators which we put into power even though the people are against our millitry pressence in there countries.

    - when there dictators which we put into power like saddam hussain stop listning to our commands and grow some balls we put sanctions against there countries starving there nation men, women and children to death.


    we need to start treating arabs like humans rather then blobs of walking oil.

    when this happens democracy will really come to them.


    we support these thugs in there countries becuase they guarentee us oil shipments on a regular basis our governments dont want democracy for the arabs but they want a new way to manipulate other peoples countries thats why "democracy in the middle-east" is the new buzz word in the west becuase using this we can get pro-american anti-muslim/anti-arab governments into power in there country and notting will change.

    when we stop manipulating the region the region will start to prosper.

    Exactly......let them find their own way of life.......not everyone wants to be like the US anyway........gun murder capital of the world.......
    maybe they want to be ....god forbid....ARABS.......not everybodys life revolves around an ipod and x-box

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badgerman
    Exactly......let them find their own way of life.......not everyone wants to be like the US anyway........gun murder capital of the world.......
    maybe they want to be ....god forbid....ARABS.......not everybodys life revolves around an ipod and x-box

    Neither does it necessarily revolve around the Qur'an as a way of life. Being an apologist is not going to help anyone. The best way for the Arabs to better themselves is by their own doings.

    You said: "Maybe they want to be Arabs": no one is stopping Arabs from being Arabs...that's a strange comment. Getting the governments to implement reforms is not against an Arab way of life. It's for their own good.

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    neighbors

    Quote Originally Posted by Badgerman
    Exactly......let them find their own way of life.......not everyone wants to be like the US anyway........gun murder capital of the world.......
    maybe they want to be ....god forbid....ARABS.......not everybodys life revolves around an ipod and x-box
    Guns make for good neighbors, and by the way....more people are killed by gun fire in the Middle East, you may not call it murder but I do.

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