Thread: Private Army
01-25-2006, 10:12 AM #1
There are a lot of Independent Contractors in Iraq right now providing security for many different subjects. When Katrina happened many IC's were hired to provide security in New Orleans and outlying areas. My question is, with the military stretched so thin, how long is it before we have our own private army? These IC's are basically that. They are made up of former military but they do not follow military rules. Most of these contracts are through the government so in effect it is already a private army. Any thoughts?
01-25-2006, 10:43 AM #2
if you have a problem with it you should have spoken up when President Clinton did away with two Infantry divisions in the 90's
01-25-2006, 11:01 AM #3Originally Posted by breacherup
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01-25-2006, 11:17 AM #4
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01-25-2006, 11:43 AM #5Originally Posted by brewerpi
I really just wanted to know thoughts on this subject.
Stay as safe as you can...
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01-25-2006, 01:59 PM #6
what kind of things do blackwater ect do? I wouldnt call it a privat army if they are just security personell. Only if they start to be used as merceneries would I call it privat armies.
01-25-2006, 02:44 PM #7
01-25-2006, 02:48 PM #8Originally Posted by johan
01-26-2006, 05:11 AM #9
most of the people who work for Blackwater and Triple Canopy, are veterans of special operations units,with at least 10 years of service.
01-26-2006, 08:10 AM #10Originally Posted by KhrisiGirl
ohh come on. You couldnt put a bullet in these big pretty black eyes
01-26-2006, 08:22 AM #11
i think we already have halliburton presents: the us army right now.
01-26-2006, 11:59 AM #12
Well well well it all started at the end of the Cold War, when large stocks of russians military stockpiles were offered to the highest bidders. But also, a gap was made. No more training was provided to certain countries by the USSR and the US, so therefore they've looked at the private market. We got the former South African Executive Outcome aka Sandlines Aka Diamondworks now owned by a few former canadian officers, brits and South afrikan.
What happened is that with these "Private contractor" AKA "Private Military Firm" aka PMF or PMC(company) they are usually more manouevres to certain countries.
in African, the "merc" were more effective in countering insurgents and guerrilla than the regular army at a better cost efficiency.
As for the US military using them, there are a few advantages
- First under the Geneva convention they are civilian, so they are not entitled to the convention and can do "illegals" activities. So if a Merc decided to shoot his M4 in a wedding ceremony, they will say he commit murder, we are not responsible.
- You are not responsible for his care
- You dont pay any "socialities" to him, healthcare, dental, social or attribute the "Fallen" proper amendities like a regular soldier would have.
- You are not entitled to the proper chain of commands, so therefore less PC BS.
- You are cheaper than regular military.
When I was in Bosnia, Executive Outcome was recruiting canadian personel.
many years ago I was offered 20k a month US, in a Swiss bank(no taxes) for a three months contract renewable every 3 months.
so even the UN hires them as they are cost effective.
Let's say company A hires a former British Infantry soldier(Para). They pay him 15000$ a month, provide him food, lodgment, weapons and equipments.
So then the UN doesnt have to pay the soldiers, equipments, and all the cost related to it. Some will say well regulars soldiers are paid cheap YES!
but when his standard weapon cost 1000$ he has for many thousand dollars worth of equipment, wheels in a 1.5million APV etc etc..
so they dont have to provide for all of this, cost of displacing and moving personel
so yes PMC are a bargain for many people
01-26-2006, 02:03 PM #13
America should look into forming a "Foriegn Legion"
(thanks for the clarity vandoo)
01-26-2006, 02:23 PM #14
Or, "the people army"...to fight corruption in our own country and take care of our own.
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01-29-2006, 01:21 AM #16
Plenty of PMCs out there...they have been around for thousands of years!
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