Thread: Food can be a priviledge
01-28-2006, 03:14 AM #1IamUnwritten Guest
01-28-2006, 04:34 AM #2
Where are his parents? Why in hell are they procreating?
01-28-2006, 09:52 AM #3
that is awful.. whoever is responsible for the little guy i hope to god dies a horrible death.. for either not feedin him, or not being smart enough to keep from having him so he coudlnt sit there and starve..
01-28-2006, 10:14 AM #4Originally Posted by decadbal
We are all responsible for kids like him. These types of kids are a dime a dozen in Africa and Asia. The parents are probably worse of than him, and also eating from garbage cans.
Its pretty sad actually, I see good food being wasted everyday by people, and some people would kill just to have a slice of bread, and a glass of water.
01-28-2006, 10:41 AM #5
Very sad pic...
But its the result of overpopulation and corrupt goverments. Just because the west lives in abundance it doesnt mean we are responsible for the poor in other countries. That little kid would starve no matter if sweden existed or not. Put the blame where it should be. The corrupt regimes and the uneducated parents.
01-28-2006, 10:45 AM #6
Sure it sucks, but you can't be serious in saying WE are responsible for him. By that logic, bill gates could be responsible for not sending me to yale university because he has more money than I do. I'd say their government (or lack there of) is responsible for their current quality of life. Now I don't mean to sound like some cold hearted right winger, but we are in no way responsible for them as we had no direct impact on their current condition or existence. Able does not mean obligated, and awareness doesn't warrant responsibility.
01-28-2006, 10:54 AM #7Originally Posted by johan
I think everyone should take personal responsibility for the poor, and not act like its someone else's problem. That is only a defensive mechanism that makes us feel better.
Charity, Charity, Charity.
And never live in excess, live within your means.
01-28-2006, 11:06 AM #8Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
Watching the Gypsies in Eastern Europe (Macedonia/Kosovo) do this was deffinitly eye-opening for me... its one thing to be poor and homeless... its another to try and start a family in these circumstances... sh!t, I am waiting till I OWN a house before having kids with my wife... even though we both do well and have plenty of income coming in...
01-28-2006, 11:07 AM #9Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
01-28-2006, 11:11 AM #10
You said it, it's very true.
Originally Posted by johan
01-28-2006, 11:35 AM #11Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
If the goverments did what they should the situation wouldnt be so bad. But they are busy building luxury homes and buying ak-47s ect
There aint a thing the rich countries can do. If we send more aid the warlords just gets more stuff they can grab and use to gain more power.
If we go in with military the people gets angry because they look at it as a insult.
How do you supose we should aid the countries out of there misery? It isnt possible. We can help them to find the right path. But we cant walk for them.With that said sweden is one of the most aid giving countries in the world and I fully support that. But I dont support just sending money and food it wont do a shit difference in the long run. Send them tools and teachers.
Also what beer said. WHat is excess? I can surely live without a tv, computer, protein supplements, steroids , gymcard, books ect. But me giving up those things doesnt mean the africans get a better life.
Distributing resources evenly among people doesnt even work within nations, how could it possibly work betwen nations?
Now matter how hard you try you will never be able to get people to give up personal luxury just to help unknown people in distant countries. It just isnt human nature.
01-28-2006, 11:41 AM #12
So according you Warrior and Johan only rich people and people with money should have kids and mate?
Remember having kids are also how families live, the more kids they have, the more income they earn, its a bad cycle. Without kids most parents would not be able to survive.
Excess is having millions of dollars in the bank, and saving it up for interest. There is no need for that. Excess is not necessarily for the middle class. But I think all humans have to take personal responsibility for other human beings.
And not just say, if we give them money, it will go in the wrong hands. That is a cope out. Because there are tons of legidimate charity organizations out there in the world.
I dont want to sound like Gandhi or something, but if everyone helped a little, it would make a big difference.
01-28-2006, 11:48 AM #13
When I was in India and Yemen I have seen things that have scarred me for life. When I walked the streets people used to think I was rich because I am white, and they used to beg for money, and I gave all the money I had. And after that a kid asked me for something, I said I dont have anything. But I had a comb, and he said can I have it. And I gave him my comb. And he was estatic.
When I was younger, I lived in India for a while, for a mission. And my father used to be able to feed hundreds of people, with rice and lentils, for hundreds of US dollars. And we could do that for months.
Either we can do it ourselves personally, small things. Or give to legidimate charities.
01-28-2006, 11:50 AM #14Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
If you are a poor farmer that would be helped by having a kid to help out with crops by all means get a kid cause that is a different situation entirely.
Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
Also like I said giving only money and food is useless. It doesnt solve any long term issues. Send tools and teachers to help them build a life for themself. Not just money so they depend on us.
Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
01-28-2006, 11:54 AM #15
One of my good friends in the US who is orginally from the Philippines, who owns his own accounting company, and also is a Christian Minister. Feeds 300 orphans in the Philippines. He says its cheap, and instead of buy a fancy car or fancy things. He chose to set up this charity.
01-28-2006, 11:59 AM #16Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
But it doesnt solve the long term problems The best aid is aid that doesnt make people dependant on the ones giving aid. There must be some kind of plan behind it. Some long term goal. Resources are much better used in that way.
01-28-2006, 12:02 PM #17
I'm sorry man, I just don't think all these poor and diseased people in Africa or other nations should be having a children... at least not as many as they are. They shouldn't think of their own needs for having kids but of that person they want to bring into a damned existance... kids have no choice of their parents... but the parents have a choice on wether or not they should have kids...
01-28-2006, 12:17 PM #18Originally Posted by johan
And about plans. That is true, that is better. But in the mean time, kids and the poor need food to eat.
01-28-2006, 12:18 PM #19
BTW - no, I don't think only rich people should have children... but I do think that only people that can provide the bare basic needs should; such as food, water, shelter, clothing and a loving family. Also, free of disease - especially terminal diseases like AIDS... such a shame to see someone born into that kind of circumstance..
This might be a pretty unpolitically correct thing to say but perhaps instead of charities being set up in these countires - how about castration clinics and birth control?
01-28-2006, 12:23 PM #20
well castration might be a bit over the top. But I defenetly think massive birth controll shipments to poor countries would be a good thing.
01-28-2006, 12:24 PM #21
If I was very poor, I would want to have kids. Not only to help me with work, but also to help me survive when I am older.
The gap between the world's rich and poor has never been wider. Malnutrition, AIDS, conflict and illiteracy are a daily reality for millions.
But it isn't chance or bad luck that keeps people trapped in bitter, unrelenting poverty. It's man-made factors like a glaringly unjust global trade system, a debt burden so great that it suffocates any chance of recovery and insufficient and ineffective aid.
Back in 2001 the governments of the eight wealthiest nations on the planet said that they were going to do something about it - in what was seen as a breakthrough, they promised to halve world poverty by 2015.
Four years later the world is failing dismally to reach those targets.
01-28-2006, 12:39 PM #22Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
I dont have the slightest knoweledge of the gobal economy or trade system so what makes it so horrible Im genuinly interested?
Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
If every rich country in the world took 5% of the defense budget and alocated it into long term aid programes I guess alot of good things could happen. But that aint gonna happen.
here is 2 good reads on poverty and aid
01-28-2006, 01:06 PM #23
I do wish there was a way to give these poor nations an economic niche... some kind of trade they could profit with... and hopefully do well with their contributions. That would be something to invest in! Give a man a fish - he feeds for a day, teach him to fish - he feeds for a lifetime...
But as it stands - they need to find a way to be rich on their own... living off the land and providing the basic human needs for a family (food, water, shelter, ...)... and not overpopulating themselves.
01-29-2006, 10:26 AM #24
A lot of good points in this thread and a lot of good points. Let me point out the major ones that I liked
BeerBaron: Able does not mean obligated, and awareness doesn't warrant responsibility.
Me: Just because we are able to help someone, doesn't mean we have to. Is it the wrong thing to do. NO!! Because each and everyone of us should be worried about our own survival first. Once that is secured we can worry about others.
Johan: But its the result of overpopulation and corrupt goverments. Just because the west lives in abundance it doesnt mean we are responsible for the poor in other countries. That little kid would starve no matter if sweden existed or not. Put the blame where it should be. The corrupt regimes and the uneducated parents.
Johan: lso like I said giving only money and food is useless. It doesnt solve any long term issues. Send tools and teachers to help them build a life for themself. Not just money so they depend on us.
Me: I agree and this ties in with the next quote....
Warrior: Give a man a fish - he feeds for a day, teach him to fish - he feeds for a lifetime...
Me: First we need to secure our own homelands. America, Sweden and so on. Then we can worry about them. In the mean time, it is useless to send just food and it is useless to send just teachers and tools. You need to send both at the same time. It's like taking roids without food, nothing will happen. Once they have their own eduction, they can start to build their community and grow from their knowledge. Eventually they will even make their own products for foreign trade which will benefit other countries as well.
My final note is that, while the opportunity is there to help them, we have no duties to help them if it gets in our way of secruing our own lives and future. So the moral is eat first and then give the remains. But be fair with it.
01-29-2006, 10:38 AM #25Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
01-29-2006, 11:48 PM #26
sadOriginally Posted by CAUSASIAN
02-04-2006, 07:08 PM #27
Sad pic and sad situation. Believe it or not, there are folks like that in the US.
02-04-2006, 07:21 PM #28
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