01-30-2006, 03:52 PM #1
I am rounding up the ending of Emily Rose for the first time. This was a pretty good film. I myself don't beleive in evil "demons" but I do beleive in God. It sais she was posessed by 6 demons. How did they even know that? Why would a demon even bother posessing a human being that can't do anything to their advantage. It wasn't like Emily was running around performing rituals of Satan. It also said she was posessed by Lucifer. Lucifer is the demon of all demons. Why would he even bother?
I don't know what to think of exorcisms myself but it seems to me that most of them are performed and the person dies. Wouldn't a succesful exorcism be one in which the person doesn't die?
01-30-2006, 04:18 PM #2Originally Posted by Massacre
01-30-2006, 04:25 PM #3Originally Posted by KhrisiGirl
I saw that part but since I have the bootleg I couldn't see the subtitles in what was being spoken in Latin. I am definately attracted to that language. It just mesmerized me to hear it. I did understand Lucifer towards the end. Many people say Satan has control of the world we live in today so it's hard for me to beleive that Satan would posess someone with little to no significance in the world we live in. Sure, she got alot of hype but wouldn't you think it would be more beneficial to possess someone of importance that will actually reign terror instead of a small little posession in a never heard of town in the middle of nowhere?
It just doesn't make sense.
01-30-2006, 04:51 PM #4Originally Posted by Massacre
01-30-2006, 05:00 PM #5Originally Posted by KhrisiGirl
If that were the case why not posess the Pope? Moses? ect. Get me?
01-30-2006, 05:09 PM #6Originally Posted by Massacre
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01-30-2006, 05:22 PM #7
Pure Divine Permission
Clearly, nothing happens without divine permission, but God never wills evil, suffering, or temptation. He gave us freedom and allows the existence of evil, but knows how to turn it into good. When he gives the demon his permission to torment us, he does so to strengthen us in virtue, as in the biblical example of Job, as well as of many blesseds and saints. We must keep in mind that diabolical harassment in itself has nothing to do with the state of grace of its victims.
Would some of you Religion buffs explain that one?
01-30-2006, 06:49 PM #8
im not sure. i believe in demon possession strictly because of the bible. ive never seen one. and i would prob say most often, there is no demon possession, but i do believe. why a demon would choose her as opposed to the pope or what not, i have no clue. noone can answer that but im sure there must have been a reason. what of this though, if the pope did become possessed, i would think that would STRENGTHEN the church because how can science prove demon possession? It would a 100% spiritual attack on the highest level of the catholic church, it would be hard for someone to deny that it was because the church was true...and the devil doesnt want that.
01-30-2006, 06:53 PM #9Originally Posted by Massacre
yes. or was that a question or a statement? Like in the movie when the girl talks to...mary was it? she said the girl can die, go to heaven, and end it all...or she can go back and not die and make sure many more hear her words about the possession and learn. and supposedly she chose to stay, and now look we have a movie. pretty amazing if its true. i have only seen the movie and dont know anything about the realy possession to say if i think it was real, but supposedly it was.
01-30-2006, 09:24 PM #10
You said it......."MOVIE."
How diffrent is the money from the actual posession. I'm sure it was altered to capture audiences.
01-31-2006, 10:21 AM #11
The movie is based on the book The Exorcism of Anneliese Michel which is based on the real story of a 20 year old girl of the same name. A tape recorder was used every time that an exorcism was performed and she was said to be inhabited by Lucifer, Judas Iscariot, Nero, Cain, Hitler, and Fleischmann, a disgraced Frankish Priest from the 16th century, and some other damned souls which had manifested through her. They performed one to two exorcisms a week for a whole year. Her parents and the priests that performed the exorcist were found guilty of manslaughter resulting from negligence and omitting first aid. They were sentenced to 6 months in jail and probation.
Odd fact-she became "possessed" in 1970 before the movie The Exorcist came out in 1974. The exorcism were performed in late 1974-1975 at the height of hysteria caused by this movie. Her official cause of death was pnemonia.
Whatever was really going on with her, I don't know. But that poor girl went through a lot!
01-31-2006, 10:34 AM #12
I'm sure she was mental case being exploited by whomever stood at the moment to benefit. Ever wonder if the devil, wherever she may be (I prefer Shedevil in a tight she outfit), could actually posses a body, she would do it more frequently because it would be good press for the bitch. Hell, she could even posses me for a week. They say it's only kinky the first time.
01-31-2006, 10:51 AM #13Originally Posted by Theatrix
That is the point Massacre made about why wouldn't the Devil, or Shedevil possess someone of significance to gain worldwide attention. Then again this movie/story is worldwide right now and we are talking about it.
01-31-2006, 11:34 AM #14Originally Posted by KhrisiGirl
01-31-2006, 11:48 AM #15Originally Posted by Massacre
If you check them out it explains it. Maybe her real name just wasn't "catchy" enough or the producers were not authorized to use it.
01-31-2006, 11:51 AM #16
I've read the Anneliese Michel story. They sounded very similar. I just don't understand why they wouldn't use Anneliese's name instead of Emily's.
01-31-2006, 11:57 AM #17Originally Posted by Massacre
01-31-2006, 12:01 PM #18
Damn Hollywood! LOL
01-31-2006, 12:09 PM #19
Im not sure what I think about possesion. I belive in ghosts. But possesion nah...
01-31-2006, 12:11 PM #20Originally Posted by Massacre
If you go with the belief that the Devil possesses people to show he is still here, then what does God do to show he is here? Miracles?
01-31-2006, 12:15 PM #21
according to my religious beliefs , giving u the background that may help u understand , maybe ......
before man was created , God created the Djinn ( creation made out of smokeless fire ) whereas the Angels were created out of Pure light .......... anyways these guys existed before man did , and when Lucifer fell from the heavens he rallied them against MAN , and use them as manipulative tools against man , we cannot see them , but the do exist , scientific theory would be because we only see white light through our eyes so anything which exists in say UV , Infra red or anything of diff wave length we cannot see it , ............ so that take cares of the part why we cannot see them
usually these beings dont really possess anyone , but since we have 2 Surahs in our holy book the Quran ( 2 small chapters ) .............. it is recommended to recite those Surahs in a situation that involves them overcoming a person of faith or not ! ...............
but thats all from an islamic perspective !
01-31-2006, 12:16 PM #22
by the way that story has been mimiced of an actual event that took palce in germany , in the 1970's ............. so its somewhat true , compared to what the true story was , i would say 80% on target !
01-31-2006, 12:16 PM #23
it makes alot more sense in my mind to just assume the possesed are crasy.
01-31-2006, 12:19 PM #24Originally Posted by KhrisiGirl
Originally Posted by zOaib
01-31-2006, 12:20 PM #25
I would think a person more reasonably possessed would be someone with a drug addiction maybe?
That would me more logical in my eyes. They arn't really possessed by a "DEMON" per say but they are trying to fight their own demons by letting go of the drug.
01-31-2006, 12:25 PM #26Originally Posted by Massacre
01-31-2006, 12:27 PM #27Originally Posted by johan
01-31-2006, 12:29 PM #28Originally Posted by KhrisiGirl
They assumed actually.
01-31-2006, 12:31 PM #29Originally Posted by Massacre
01-31-2006, 12:40 PM #30Originally Posted by KhrisiGirl
01-31-2006, 12:41 PM #31
Do all religions believe in possession/evil spirits or a variation thereof?
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01-31-2006, 12:45 PM #32
Good question. I'd also like to know.
01-31-2006, 12:47 PM #33Originally Posted by zOaib
01-31-2006, 12:48 PM #34Originally Posted by KhrisiGirl
01-31-2006, 12:50 PM #35Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
01-31-2006, 12:51 PM #36Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
01-31-2006, 12:51 PM #37Originally Posted by johan
Who do I call about the alien that is in my bedroom?
01-31-2006, 12:53 PM #38Originally Posted by KhrisiGirl
01-31-2006, 12:54 PM #39Originally Posted by zOaib
01-31-2006, 01:11 PM #40Originally Posted by Massacre
Man is created from Clay/Mud, Angels are created from light, and Jinn are created from smokeless fire.
Satan was a Jinn, but GOD loved him very much, that GOD treated him like an angel. When GOD asked Satan the Jinn to bow down to Adam (PBUH) he refused to obey GOD, angels always obey GOD, Jinn's dont. Satan the Jinn had to much pride to bow down to man who it sees is created from clay and not superior to him. So GOD banished him from Heaven.
We (Muslims) belive that there were people that existed on earth before humans, called Jinns. ‘Jinn’ are a creation that existed BEFORE mankind and were made out of the fires or heat that existed (in opposition to mankind who were created from (mud/clay).
However, just as we do not melt when we come into contact with water (being made from mud/clay).
One allegoric meaning that could be derived is that the ‘Jinn’ were created during the time of Earth’s infancy, at a time when heat and volcanic fire were the elements under development…while humans emerged from a ‘wetter’ climate when clay/mud were the elements taking shape.
Jinn have the ability (or technology) to travel outside our known universe (logically due to their race being much older that ours).
The Jinn's can look like Humans, Jinn have been BLOCKED from reaching certain points in space that they used to travel through before (this could be a 'mental' block on astral if not physical travel).
That is the jist of it.
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