Who is the greatest leader or empire this world has faced?

**Prada** · 03-05-2006, 09:12 PM

Who in you opinion has had the greatest empire or the greatest leader of all time. Remember you must justify your response.
Off the top of my head, Is it?
-The British Empire
-The Ottoman Empire
-The Roman Empire
-Alexandre the Great
-Napoleon Bonaparte
-Sultan Suleyman
-Manchuria
-Tsar Peter The Great
-Genghis Khan
-The mongols
-Persian Empire
-Assyrians
-Other

Who are you fond of or admire?

**MODESEVEN** · 03-05-2006, 10:09 PM

Gangus Cong Then Alexander The Great.

**MeanMachine2000** · 03-05-2006, 10:24 PM

Genghis Khan

**Wordsworth** · 03-05-2006, 10:25 PM

Militarily probably Alexander the Great or Napoleon. Both were unmatched commanders on the battlefield and expanded their empires greatly. Rome was probably one of the greatest empires having covered such a huge area and lasted such a long time.

**CAUSASIAN** · 03-05-2006, 10:29 PM

In terms of empire I would say the British Empire, the Mongol Empire, and the Islamic Empire (Arab, Persian, Turk).

But the British subjgated people that are weak, in my opinion. So I would probably go with the Mongol Empire as the best and most powerful empire.

In terms of military leader and commander I would have to say Hannibal Barca. I adore this man, great strategist, and get zeal for his cause.

**MeanMachine2000** · 03-05-2006, 10:30 PM

I have nothing to back up my response, I just wanted to use the samuari smile

**MeanMachine2000** · 03-05-2006, 10:31 PM

Hannibal Barca who's he?

**CAUSASIAN** · 03-05-2006, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by MeanMachine2000

Hannibal Barca who's he?

Since he was a kid he was a sworn enemy of Rome. He hated Rome alot. And if you look at this battles against Rome, he basically destroyed them in every fight.

Hannibal came upon his father while he was making a sacrifice to the gods before leaving for Hispania. Hannibal, then quite young, begged to go with him. Hamilcar agreed and allegedly made Hannibal swear that as long as he lived he would never be a friend of Rome. Hannibal is reported to have told his father, "I swear so soon as age will permit...I will use fire and steel to arrest the destiny of Rome."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal

They are going to come out with a movie about him this year, staring Vin Diesel I believe.

**GQ-Bouncer** · 03-05-2006, 10:39 PM

The Roman Empire - by far.

I admire them because they developed superior military tactics, especially at the small-unit level. They emphasized training specifically on the enlisted legionaire level. They had professional standing armies. They were a Republic, and 'spread' democracy across europe.

**Alex2** · 03-05-2006, 10:41 PM

I don't see GW in the list

**TREN-dy_Party_Dancer** · 03-05-2006, 10:43 PM

Osama Bin Laden has been avoiding the west since 2001...he knock down the 2 most powerful buildings the best city in the world...ps where the hell is he......any know where he is

**TREN-dy_Party_Dancer** · 03-05-2006, 10:44 PM

Alex bro..he will be on the top of the list of worst US pres. ever hands down def lowest IQ

**CAUSASIAN** · 03-05-2006, 10:46 PM

I think Napoleon is very overrated, his invasion of Russia, was such a stupid move, its unbelievable.

**Prada** · 03-05-2006, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Alex2

I don't see GW in the list

Who's G.Dubya? He couldnt lead a group of Homo Sapiens.
Ok some of you are not stating why, others are raising interesting people. Some I never heard of. Interesting nonetheless

**Alex2** · 03-05-2006, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Prada

Who in you opinion has had the greatest empire or the greatest leader of all time. Remember you must justify your response.
Off the top of my head, Is it?
-The British Empire
-The Ottoman Empire
-The Roman Empire
-Alexandre the Great
-Napoleon Bonaparte
-Sultan Suleyman
-Manchuria
-Tsar Peter The Great
-Genghis Khan
-The mongols
-Persian Empire
-Assyrians
-Other

Who are you fond of or admire?

I'll get to this tomorrow. I have to go to bed shortly.

**breacherup** · 03-05-2006, 11:36 PM

as far as empires go, the Romans ruled most of the world for a long time, they projected their power long before technology made it easier to do so.

as for leaders Hannibal was a great military mind, an innovator who is studied by all serious students of war to this day and likely will be studied 100 years from now.

George Washington, led a somewhat rag tag army against a much bigger professional fighting force and whipped it's arse.(and he led from the front, had at least two horses shot out from under him in battle) Served as President and when his time was up he walked away, when the people would have gladly had him as King, considered by many to be one of the greatest gestures in the history of politics.

Sir Winston Churchill, because I'm from England!

**Kärnfysikern** · 03-06-2006, 12:04 AM

Third reich.

Sinister ****s but got to admire what they pulled off.
Hitler for how he made germany rise from poverty to the worlds greatest military power and his generals for how they revolutionised warfare, not to mention Göebbels for his brilliant propaganda.

We all have to be gratefull for Hitler not beeing a brillitant military tactician but thinking he was one.

**breacherup** · 03-06-2006, 12:14 AM

Germany's rise was remarkable, but in the end they didn't rule much for very long, so they weren't an Empire, except in the mind of Hitler.

**FranKieC** · 03-06-2006, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by johan

Third reich.

Sinister ****s but got to admire what they pulled off.
Hitler for how he made germany rise from poverty to the worlds greatest military power and his generals for how they revolutionised warfare, not to mention Göebbels for his brilliant propaganda.

We all have to be gratefull for Hitler not beeing a brillitant military tactician but thinking he was one.

maybe it was all the Crystal Meth he consumed lol

**scriptfactory** · 03-06-2006, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by johan

Third reich.

Sinister ****s but got to admire what they pulled off.
Hitler for how he made germany rise from poverty to the worlds greatest military power and his generals for how they revolutionised warfare, not to mention Göebbels for his brilliant propaganda.

We all have to be gratefull for Hitler not beeing a brillitant military tactician but thinking he was one.

I like that.

My vote goes to the Roman Empire. Their accomplishments were astounding, as were their perversions.

**Prada** · 03-06-2006, 11:10 AM

Yes some credit is due to the 3rd reich. I guess people to tend to forget that all empires where some what "sinister". The mongols, ottomans, etc. Johan is right, the 3rd reich grew from poverty and in economic ruins to a military force of burden in a short period of time and that in very recent history has not been seen. That in Europe of all places

RA · 03-06-2006, 11:28 AM

u.s.a.

**ironmike250** · 03-06-2006, 11:37 AM

Just for the record it's Chenggis Khan

The name means King Chenggis.

I only know this because my fiancee is Mongolian.

**The OutLord** · 03-06-2006, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by johan

Third reich.

Sinister ****s but got to admire what they pulled off.
Hitler for how he made germany rise from poverty to the worlds greatest military power and his generals for how they revolutionised warfare, not to mention Göebbels for his brilliant propaganda.

We all have to be gratefull for Hitler not beeing a brillitant military tactician but thinking he was one.

I....S T R O N G L Y....A G R E E.....W I T H...You johan........

It dos not mater what enyone say..
Hitler contribute industry and thay are still in action today and are a big thing in world ekonomy..!!!.

Thay say.. Nazi German was a loser...
I whant to se a country with this enormous sacrifice Geman people did.
ONE Nation agenst 3 Powerhous from that period of time...plus in spite of large loss before 3 Powerhous march for Berlin..

I promise enyone.. here and Now.. The only Power hous in this simillar power to figth back like nazi german did.. Is china today...

If German Never go In this enormous lost in the Russian Winter and in Africa..
I think Europe have a swartsika evry wear today.

In may minde About sacrifice and will and The diffrent between Germany Back then and china to day.
Germany did It... China have not done it...

It is very Intressting In whats take place In our Life time today..
Europa are the New Powerhous About 200 years..
Europa are constructing a New-Union!!!

With frendly greetings

**Logan13** · 03-06-2006, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by ironmike250

Just for the record it's Chenggis Khan

The name means King Chenggis.

I only know this because my fiancee is Mongolian.

your fiancee is Mongoloid? I met my first Bohemian yesterday.............

**The OutLord** · 03-06-2006, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Logan13

your fiancee is Mongoloid? I met my first Bohemian yesterday.............

Mongoloid!!!!

ha ha ha

**k0nsl** · 03-06-2006, 02:42 PM

From what I have read it was more like early barbiturates or LSD-like compounds, but I don't know for sure.

You can read more about it here:
http://holocaust-history.info/Zuendel-letter1.html

As for the topic of this thread, I'm not so fond in any of the alternatives, but I would pick the Roman Empire if I must.

Originally Posted by FranKieC

maybe it was all the Crystal Meth he consumed lol

**3Vandoo** · 03-06-2006, 02:49 PM

The Romans
then Alexander the Queer
then the Mongolians
then the Ottomans
then the British
then Pokemons

**scriptfactory** · 03-06-2006, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by 3Vandoo

The Romans
then Alexander the Queer
then the Mongolians
then the Ottomans
then the British
then Pokemons

I knew it was coming soon!

**ironmike250** · 03-07-2006, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Logan13

your fiancee is Mongoloid? I met my first Bohemian yesterday.............

Not sure what you mean? Please elaborate!

**CAUSASIAN** · 03-07-2006, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by roidattack

u.s.a.

I am pretty sure most Americans would be against calling the US an empire. Although I agree with you.

**ironmike250** · 03-07-2006, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Logan13

your fiancee is Mongoloid? I met my first Bohemian yesterday.............

Bohemian is a native of the Czech province of Bohemia, a secondary meaning for bohemian emerged in 19th century France. The term was used to describe artists, writers, and disenchanted people of all sorts who wished to live non-traditional lifestyles.

"The term 'bohemian' has come to be very commonly accepted in our day as the description of a certain kind of literary gypsy, no matter in what language he speaks, or what city he inhabits .... A bohemian is simply an artist or littérateur who, consciously or unconsciously, secedes from conventionality in life and in art." (Westminster Review, 1862, noted at Online Etymology Dictionary.)

Not sure how that term relates to Mongolia, the country with the highest IQ per capita.

Again, please explain!!!

**Prada** · 03-07-2006, 10:50 PM

The beatnicks were bohemian. You know Jack Kerouac and then whole beat generation. Today, "bohemian" is almost a bad word or insult.

**Kärnfysikern** · 03-08-2006, 04:27 AM

no one mentioning china??

**ironmike250** · 03-09-2006, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Prada

The beatnicks were bohemian. You know Jack Kerouac and then whole beat generation. Today, "bohemian" is almost a bad word or insult.

That's how my fiancee took it also when she read this post.

**ironmike250** · 03-09-2006, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by johan

no one mentioning china??

Chenggis Khan was such a powerful ruler that the Chinese teach the youth that he was actually one of them!

**3Vandoo** · 03-09-2006, 12:56 PM

North Korea is the greatest empire their leader invented everything, from the wheel to the space travel to medicine

**Prada** · 03-09-2006, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by ironmike250

Chenggis Khan was such a powerful ruler that the Chinese teach the youth that he was actually one of them!

Interesting. It seems plausible, it is not the first time China manipulates history, to favor them. Quaint politics. However I believe at one point Mongolia was a part of the chinese "empire".

What do you mean about your finacee post? That Bohemians today are regarded as and is synonymous to filthy, pot smoking, alcoholic, anarchist, unemployed, mentally unstable, individuals?

**Benches505** · 03-09-2006, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Wordsworth

Militarily probably Alexander the Great or Napoleon. Both were unmatched commanders on the battlefield and expanded their empires greatly. Rome was probably one of the greatest empires having covered such a huge area and lasted such a long time.

I agree that Rome was the greatest empire for the same reasons as stated above. The british empire lasted a spec of time compared to it and the advances and governement type of the Romans are still with us today. From Scotland to mainland europe and Africa all the way to the middle east and tips of asia..Now that was an empire! too bad all good things must come to an end.

**biglouie250** · 03-09-2006, 04:19 PM

Roman Empire under Hadrian. Man had the foresight to build a wall (hadrians wall) to enclose the empire because it could no longer sustain expansion with the limited technology of the day. For the first time in history an emperor decided expansion was not in the best interest of the empire.