How much do you guys consider weighted dips 2 being a big part in gaining a great bench press??
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How much do you guys consider weighted dips 2 being a big part in gaining a great bench press??
i love weighted dips!...although i ususally do them on tricep day...they are a big part i think...
i disagree, i like exercise that mimic the actual movement. ie heavy, heavy lockouts and board presses. but hey if it works for u, keep it up
Weighted dips are good for developing lower pecs. It seems to me that all of the best powerlifters work hard to develop their lower pecs to balance the other portions of the chest. But more importantly if you have an insane arch on your bench, then you should definitely do either weighted dips, decline benhc, or something of that nature. You don't have to do so much of those exercises if you train with an arch. If you don't train with an arch half of the time, as I am known for, then you may want to put a bit more emphasis on those movements.
I never do them... I'm in agreement with Dr. Sust on this one. Seems to me to be more of a bodybuilding exercise.
Thanks for the feedback on this 1 guys...I love them but may put more emphasis on actual powerlift moves now as i have no arch at all...
amen to that!even setting up the exercise is a pain in the ass, walking around with a few plates swinging by your balls on a chain just doesn't feel right in publicQuote:
Originally Posted by RJstrong
LOL......End up walking as though i've shit my pants
I love them.
i love porn!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanecrazy
I love weighted dips!
tell us how you feel it furthers your development in regards to powerlifting? I'm not saying it doesn't...just curious in how you feel it helps take your bench to another level. Do you do board presses, lock outs, floor presses, jm presses, reverse grip bench, speed work, chain work, bands... do you do shirt work... this is a list of some of the things I have been doing for the past few years as a competitive powerlifter and I have had great results... like I said just curious on how effective you think dips are?Quote:
Originally Posted by SHOCKER2
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Originally Posted by Doc.Sust
seriously, dips = not a powerlifter. Rj is right.
Weighted dips always seems to have some carryover to my bench strenght. Especialy the lockout. I am always at my strongest when I work the weighted dips often and heavy.
Im curious to why pl'ers dont do more dips? Many seem to do alot of skullcrushers, jm press and similar triceps exercises. But I almost never hear of dips but dips must be more productive for tricep strenght than nosebreakers right :unsure:
first off let me start i guess by stating the obvious... the law of individual differences in my opinion is a huge factor so what works well for me may not work as well for you... so if you feel dips help your bench in particular your lock out I would stick with them... however, I feel the same as Doc. on this one as far as getting the most benefit from from exercises that mimic the lift... My go to tricep exercise is the close grip bench which hits more of the long head which is critical for lock out strength... I shy away from dips mainly because of the impingement in the shoulder... my shoulders really can't take the punishment (heavy squats, bench and close grips do me in enough). I think when it comes to powerlifting it can be easy to stray away and do too many assistant exercises rather than sticking with the basics or using exercises with the best carry over... and the best carry over exercises for me are no doubt the ones that mimic the 3 lifts closely... and to be honest its rare that I even do skull crushers (maybe off season when I'm going lighter)... I'm not saying they don't work, but again I feel a bodybuilder may get better use out of them... I really like to keep it simple and for me what has worked best to increase my maxes in the sqaut, bench, and deadlift is simply doing those 3 exercises... always working to master my technique and always pressing for heavier weights... anyway good luck lifting this game is always been about trail and error and finding out what works best for you!Quote:
Originally Posted by johan
great post RJ. I agree with the cg bench btw they are the king of triceps exercises and my number one favorite exercise after deadlift. I love cg bench with chains :D
Johan... it's kinda funny that you mention chains and close grip bench... I have incorporated chains (really in all 3 lifts) this past year with great success... keep charging brother I recently read your schedule is really tough right now but your finding a way to keep your training going... that's what it's all about!Quote:
Originally Posted by johan
how do you get the chains to stay put on the bar when deadlifting??
to be honest I havent been to the gym in 2 weeks now :( but I have exams in quantum physics and electromagnetic fields tomorrow and on friday so it has been impossible :cry: soon Il get back on track :thumbsup:
I think my training is proving this. Now, dips are a great mass builder, but should probably not be used in addition to benches during in season training. Every once in a while, cut out benches for a couple weeks and throw in dips instead. And as far as weighted dips, well for me at least only bodyweight dips are way to easy and ineffective; so add some 20kgs on the belt :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc.Sust
wow... and I was worried about my business finance test tomorrow, now I don't feel so bad... :wg:Quote:
Originally Posted by johan
I use the kind of clips you would normally see used in repelling or rock climbing on one end of the chain and slide them over the bar... I then use 2 normal clips on each side (one for the weight another for the chain)... these bigger repelling clips are nice becuase you can hook a few links on them and basically we drape a six foot chain in 1/3's so all the chain is used rather than just sitting on the floor (at lock out)... we do the same thing for the bench except we put 100 lbs. plates on the floor beneath them to allow more chain to lay on the ground at the transition of the press... for squats i let the whole 6 ft. chain hang to the floor which only allows a few links to rest on the floor from the starting position... man, I hope that makes sense... :scratch:
I am sorry that I disagree with the uselessness of dips. I think more and more that records on the bench will be made by those folks who mix training between flat benching and arched benching. The meticulous bencher who attacks the muscles independently, collectively and at a variety of angles will prevail in the years to come. I am not sure about most people, but I tend to hang while doing dips as though I am doing a decline bench, which is very close to the angle at which I arch on the bench. Heck, the way I see people use denim shirts in competition, they look like they are doing dips. I agree with the comment on mass building as well. After all bodybuilders use them for bb and I would have to consider them the experts on hypertrophy.