??? What the heck is going on.. 40 mcgs?? I have had a bad headache all day too since taking it.
Maybe I am just old and shakey :)
Oldman
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??? What the heck is going on.. 40 mcgs?? I have had a bad headache all day too since taking it.
Maybe I am just old and shakey :)
Oldman
From my understanding of Clen, any dosage can have sides. It all depends on how your body reacts to it. How long have you been taking it? From what I've read, the sides usually fade after 8-10 days.
Have you ever taken an ECA stack (or similar)? If so, did you notice similar effects? I know they're not the same, but to a degree they both have similar effects on the body.
I actually just started yesterday. I have used clen before but it has been a while and I don't remember.. The problem was when I tied it before I was still eating like a pig and it did not matter so I just stopped.
i have used ECA for years (before the ban) and have used since and really have no issues with shakes the only thing I get is an upset stomach.
I hoped clen would give me the same effects as ECA but without the puking :)
I am taking 3 grams of Taurine a day maybe I need to up that?? I guess I will also wait it out.. I think I will stick with 40mcgs for a week or so.
Thanks
Oldman
Do you have a water bottle sitting with you everywhere? That really helped me.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldman
My appetite actually increased while I was on clen. I don't believe it has an appetite suppressing effect like the ECA stack.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldman
Not really looking for that as much.. I have a very strict diet and even if I wanted to eat more or less I can't :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Papi93
I drink no less than 4 liters of water but normally I have 5 empties by the end of the day, so roughly 1.25-1.5 gallons of water a day. I don't think my old kidneys can take much more than that..
I will just be slow on the ramp up on this and probably stay under 100mcgs if I got that high.. I just need a little change from the normal ECA or other "fat burners" I thought this might help do a little different, I may be wrong :)
Oldman
Youre just lucky man, youre lucky youre made as you are.
For me to shake, I need more than 200mcgs.
Or at least 150mcgs.
Dirty
But 40mcgs thats a feminine dosage IMO, even though youre shaking its nothing what youre taking 40mcgs is nothing.
It elevates hear rate, clen, check it, it barely does anything.
Try taking 400mcgs, its as if youre doing cardio sitting down. 160bpm !!
So 40mcgs, c'est rien (its nothing!!)
I dont care if you have hand movement.
Same works with DNP by the way.
Elevates by metabolism (The percentages I think are about this) (not taking account your exercise)
Ephedra based burners - 3%
Clen- 10%
DNP- 50%
DNP? You sweat the fat out by burning fat as if doing cardio sitting down.
The metabolism is up, = heat is up = your body is a calorie and fat burning machine. 24/7.
I know, I took 400mgs of crystal.
So there you go, I think your dosage, is low.
Does the Pope like young boys ? My word it will give you the shakes at 40mcg. Wait till you get to 120 :-)
My first time taking clen i started at 20mcgs and each day increased up to 120mcg's i think that 120 was easier then 40. Just becaue my body wasnt used to it yet. But after that i was pretty usd to it and it wasnt a big deal.
The shakes were there.. but it was just kinda funny to me.
Clenbuterol is an asthma bronchiodilator. (makes it easier to breathe)
So is ephedrine.
Im personally scared of stimulants before workouts. I dont wanna mess with my heart in anyway. I recommend against it.
Be sure to be well hydrated.
You see many stories: Methamphetimine user at club died because of meth. DIdnt die of meth, but of overexertion and lack of water.
SO watch out with what you do. Definitely dont take it at night! YOull be less active!
Even then I would take after a workout, to not mess with my heart rate.
I do HIIT cardio.
Or you can do cardio above the fat burning zone (cardio).
You know pros? You know when they're not outmassing the opponnents and they have to come with condition? THis is from more reps, from more oxygen, and from cardiovascular condition. And this doenst mean walks in the parks.
It means upping that heart rate.
Just getting 25
ACtually, what you can do is go to profiles
and they have an article by hooker advocating many things about clenbuterol
Whats this old and shakey shit all about. You are just a pup !!! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by oldman
I sure in the hell am not going to do 400mcgs I like my heart IN my chest.. I am on day two so 40mcgs is fine bro as I ramp up I was mostly just asking if the shakes normally start this low.
thanks for the ideas guy
Oldman
Trust me though, go up to 100mcgs at least.
Try going up in increments to be safe. (doubling reverse pyramiding)
Day 1 20mcgs
Day 2 40 mcgs
Day 3 60 mcgs
Day 4 80mcgs
Day 5 100mcgs
Stay like this until Day 7 then ramp down if you dont want heart problems.
What you dont know, is that you can stay on it for 6 weeks, so keep 100mcgs or more, just that week 3 add benadryl to the mix a few pills to refreshen the receptors.
That's my take on it.
Dont take ephedrine while on it, too much strain IMO.
IDEA: Use t3 with clen.
IDEA: Morning cardio, and then have a clen breakfast (cherry tasting gets you in the habit). Then have a low carb breakfast.
Many options man. But 40mcgs is ridiculously low!
EDIT >> I was being a dick in my reply. so it has been removed. I just think that too much fasle info is given which can get nOObs in trouble.
thanks for your input.
Oldman
Heres a good post i found about clen. the 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off thing seems to be a part of the past.
Dirty lilsecret seems to know whats going on. Anyways... here is a good post
Let me just start by saying that this is the single most misunderstood compound in use for athletics and bodybuilding today. Most of the information out there is ½ truths and conjecture. Ok…having said that, I’m going to make an effort to dispel some myths and give everyone a better understanding of Clen.
First, lets plow quickly through some of the basics:
Clenbuterol (Clen) is a beta-2 agonist/antagonist bronchodialator. What this means, is that it stimulates your beta-2 receptors. And this in turn stimulates you (clen has stimulant effects which will make you feel….well…stimulated). All of this serves to increase your body temperature a bit, increase your basal metabolic rate, and decrease your appetite (Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 1994 Jun;18(6):429-33.). Clen also can decrease insulin sensitivity (Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2002 Jul;283(1):E146-53.).
Clen is a very effective repartitioning agent, and this is what it’s most often used for. What this means is that it will increase your ratio of Fat Free Mass (FFM) to Fat Mass, by decreasing your Fat and possibly increasing your FFM (J Appl Physiol. 2001 Nov;91(5):2064-70). Want me to quantify that a bit? In one study, horses given a reasonable dose of clen (slightly over 1mcg/lb) and excercised for 20mins, 3x a week ( I suppose they were Mentzer disciples) had significant decreases in %fat (-17.6%) and fat mass (-19.5%) at week 2, which was similar to Clen given to horses who didn’t excretes; however, the exercised group had a different FFM response, which significantly increased (+4.4%) at week 6. Week 6! Clen and clen + exercise produce roughly the same results for the first 2 weeks! Remember the old 2 weeks-on/2weeks-off schedule? It’s officially dead and buried. If you want the quasi-anabolic effect from the clen, it’ll take more than 2weeks on (6 weeks apparently). And in fact, since clen alone is similar to clen + exercise for those first 2 weeks...why would you ever use a 2on/2off protocol? Keep in mind that animal responses to beta-agonist/antagonists differ a bit from ours…but you get the picture. 2on/2off? Ha ha...
Clen has a biphastic elimination, which means that it is technically reduced in your body in 2 different stages. This isn’t particularly important, as a recent study has shown that for most intents and purposes, clen concentrations in the body decline with a ½ life (approximately) equivalent to 7-9.2hours and again up to as much as 35 hours later(J Anal Toxicol. 2001 May-Jun;25(4):280-7. and J Vet Pharmacol Ther. 2004 Apr;27(2):71-7. and J Pharmacobiodyn. 1985 May;8(5):385-91. ). If you’re really interested, though, clen technically declines biphastically at 10 and then 36 hours. But really, in our little world, where we use ½ life to tell us when to take our next dose, who the hell is going to take clen, then a dose 10 hours later, then a dose 36 hours later. We’ll stick with the earlier 7-9 hour ½ life for dosing purposes, and take our clen every 3.5-4.5 hours that we’re awake, stopping early enough to still be able to get to bed. Clen can, in some people, cause insomnia (and as with all stimulants, can cause anxiety in some).
Clenbuterol can also cause a down-regulation in testicular androgen receptors and in pulmonary, cardiac and central nervous system beta-adrenergic receptors(J Anim Physiol Anim Nutr (Berl). 2004 Apr;88(3-4):94-100.)…possibly making steroids less effective while you are on clen, but definitely making clen less effective as time goes on and you keep taking it. To counteract this, you can take some ketotifen or periactim every 3rd or 4th week that you remain on clen. Both of these are prescription anti-histimines, so they’ll make you drowsy (take before bedtime). Basically, the way both of these work is to reduce beta-2 receptor activity.
A lot of people claim that clen is quite anti-catabolic and/or anabolic. This hasn’t been confirmed in human studies (Ann Pharmacother. 1995 Jan;29(1):75-7.). And the doses given to the animals in these studies where clen is shown to be very anti catabolic or highly anabolic are so absurdly high that no human could ever take them (1mg/kg of bodyweight and higher). The best you can hope for is the very mild anabolic effects I cited earlier.
Oh yeah…I guess I should get around to the proper dosing of clen. My recommendations are the same for both men and women. You’ll need to take 20mcgs upon rising, and then repeat that same dose again later in the day, and then once again in that day (if you find you can tolerate the effects). So you’ll start with 20mcgs, and then repeat that dose 2 more times that same day if you can tolerate it (side effects will determine this…hand shaking, sweating, etc…classic stimulant sides). Then you can start increasing the dose gradually. Personally, I wouldn’t work my way up to more than 200mcg/day. 60-120mcg/day is an average dose.
Also, bear in mind that clen isn’t great for your heart, and can cause some issues there (enlargement of ventricles, etc…) but most studies showing clen to cause heart problems are with animals, and even though the dosing is similar to what humans take (in some studies) it’s important to remember that animals have more beta-2 receptors and they cause certain event chains that humans’ beta-2 receptors may not. Clen causes cardiac hypertrophy to some degree, in some cases. Again though, many studies showing more significant heart problems are with mg dosing. We humans take clen in mcg doses.
If we want to duplicate the “therapeutic” levels of clen in the more conservative studies, we’d be taking just over 1mcg/lb of bodyweight. I’d suggest a bit less, though.
Performance issues with clen also vary. Some studies show reduced exercise (cardiovascular) performance with clen (Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2002 Dec;34(12):1976-85.), while some show that clen can alleviate exercise induced asthma (Respiration. 1987;51(3):205-13.)! Sometimes you feel like a nut…sometimes you don’t, I guess. What this means, to me, is that you’ll need to figure out how clen affects your performance individually.
Which brings me to the issue of cramps while on clen. I don’t get them. My friends don’t get them. Most of us are athletes who use clen during the season as well as the off season, and one of my friends even claims that it gives him more “wind” (cardiovascular stamina). Take on enough water every day and you should be fine. If you’re really concerned, you can take some extra minerals and taurine, since clen depletes taurine (Adv Exp Med Biol. 1996;403:233-45) as do most if not all beta-agonists. I don’t take anything more than my usual vitamins and minerals.
Well…there it is…pretty much all I know about clen. I hope this answers some questions and clears up some misconceptions.
Hooker also states if you want to just stay on Clenbuterol, you can take 50mgs of Benadryl every night for a week (say...1 week per month), and you'll keep your beta-2 receptors fresh. Instead of coming off the clen, that is.
Hope this helps some. Maybe you can get your own take on clen after reading this.
but the most typical way people start is like how lildirtysecret described.
the 2 on 2 off idea has been out dated ...4 straight is best .
I edited this because I found the answer I needed and shouldn't have posted this here to begin with. Sorry Oldman!
Khrisi
yea stay at 40mcg for a week you should be fine at the end of the week and increase. depending on how bad it is.
im on my 2nd round of clen i start at around 50mcg after about 3 to 4 days the shakes arent so bad even gone by day 4...
today is day 2 i went to about 60-75mcg my sitting heart rate was a steady 114bpm little uncomfortable, day 1 wasnt bad today was annoying..
goodluck bro
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I am on day 4 now and not so bad today so I will increase again tomorrow.. I will bump 20 at a time.
thanks!! :)
Oldman
How is everything now? Are you taking 3x day or twice? I don't think i will be able to handle 3x unless i don't want any sleep. I figure 20mcg in the morning and 20mcg later in the afternoon.
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Originally Posted by muriloninja
After getting some advice from a Vet and I am now doing it 3 times per day in lower doses and doing 2 days on 1 day off. I am going to see if this makes a difference.. I am getting tighter every week so this plus my cardio and diet should prove to be a great combo.
~Old
What dosage are you at?
Am thinking of starting clen. in spril... just bfore summer..... do u think a 2 week cycle will do nething? am at 162 with 10% bodyfat. or should i do more?
i also wanted to kmnow if am too young to do this am 19. but ma friend said this is not a hormonal steriod so it wouldnt **** me up liek hormonal sterodis would... i juts wnat an honest opinion.. thanks
jjmu go for it im 20 and i jus put my order in 2weeks wont finish the bottle on the 3rd week take benedryl wit it and it should b all good