insulin and hgh timing question.....

[LBSOMEIRON]

Yah gotta watch how much sugar you take in..... you don't wanna put on excess fat. Thats why I'm lowering my carb intake today..... I wanna try to figure out how much I can get away with before I start feeling hypo. I want to try to keep this bulk as clean as possible.....

The slin comes ready to inject..... no mixing necessary. Also, it's good for about 30 days outside of the refridgerator and 2 years if kept cold.

~Haz~

LOL.....same wavelength.....

[LBSOMEIRON]

OH btw..... I got the Vitargo for $36 lol - it's definately worth it because it's tasteless. It just thickens the shit out of your protein shake.....

~Haz~

What size container? I'm seeing 1.7lbs for $26 door to door.

[Hazard]

I've studied this for months and read everything from 10g per to 5g per. The 'majority' say that 10 per is too much.

My plan was to go 4iu and take in 36g immediately BUT ALWAYS have something on standby.

I think that's the trick to staying lean. You don't want to take in too many pw carbs, but obviously enough to stay alive

So, as long as you are prepared with some on standby, you are good to go.

Haz has done his research. I'm jacked to see what this does to him ESPECIALLY since he's already freakish.

Haz - if you blow up, you know I'm right behind you.....

I cut back a tad on the aftershock (15 carb, 15 sugar) and had 8oz orange juice with it (24g carb/sugar) - I would say I consumed about 50g's total. It's still more than 10g/iu but I did lower it a tad from yesterday. Tomorrow is a non-workout day and i'll try to get it exactly at 10g/iu and see how I feel.

I shot 4iu's at 6:35pm - had my shake at 7:00pm. Next shake (vitargo and protein) will be at 8:30pm (the big spike form Humulin r) unless I feel funny before then.

~Haz~

[Hazard]

What size container? I'm seeing 1.7lbs for $26 door to door.

4.1lbs I have friends at nutrition stores

~Haz~

[vettewreck]

I've studied this for months and read everything from 10g per to 5g per. The 'majority' say that 10 per is too much.

My plan was to go 4iu and take in 36g immediately BUT ALWAYS have something on standby.

I think that's the trick to staying lean. You don't want to take in too many pw carbs, but obviously enough to stay alive

So, as long as you are prepared with some on standby, you are good to go.

Haz has done his research. I'm jacked to see what this does to him ESPECIALLY since he's already freakish.

Haz - if you blow up, you know I'm right behind you.....

Exactly, I plan on doing exactly what Haz has just stated. Start high on the carbs, then lower accordingly. I dont wanna gain 15lbs and increase my waist by 2" lol. I wanna stay exactly where im at AND go up 15lbs! lol.

And im not small either LBSOMEIRON lol, but yes, Haz is bigger (and 1" taller) lol

[Hazard]

Exactly, I plan on doing exactly what Haz has just stated. Start high on the carbs, then lower accordingly. I dont wanna gain 15lbs and increase my waist by 2" lol. I wanna stay exactly where im at AND go up 15lbs! lol.

And im not small either LBSOMEIRON lol, but yes, Haz is bigger (and 1" taller) lol

What are your stats? You def look bigger than me LOL

BTW..... I thought I remember seeing you were from jersey? no?

~Haz~

[vettewreck]

Na man not from jersey.

6' even, 225lbs today.

[Hazard]

Na man not from jersey.

6' even, 225lbs today.

Ah well.... coulda been slin pals

I can't remember for the life of me who I saw was from jersey but he was a pretty big guy......

~Haz~

[Hazard]

OK I just downed my 2nd shake (Vitargo 52.50g carb & whey 72g protein)

I decided to wait till 8:45 to see if any hypo feelings would happen..... nothing. I might bump up to 6iu's tomorrow.....

Next meal will be around 9:45-10:00pm (2cups white rice and chicken - possibly another shake)

~Haz~

[LBSOMEIRON]

Ok. Last question(s).

What does the rest of your diet look like ?


Training schedule ?

Your thread. Might as well detail it out.

[LBSOMEIRON]

Exactly, I plan on doing exactly what Haz has just stated. Start high on the carbs, then lower accordingly. I dont wanna gain 15lbs and increase my waist by 2" lol. I wanna stay exactly where im at AND go up 15lbs! lol.

And im not small either LBSOMEIRON lol, but yes, Haz is bigger (and 1" taller) lol

I didn't say you were small?? I didn't even see your pic. Where is it?

[lift_heavy]

pwo...

[vettewreck]

My avatar is me, I know you didnt. I was joking, all good buddy!

[Hazard]

Ok. Last question(s).

What does the rest of your diet look like ?


Training schedule ?

Your thread. Might as well detail it out.

My diet varies..... here's what I try to get in on a regular basis:

6-7am - 8 eggwhites, 1 cup oatmeal, 4 slices turkey bacon, and sometimes 2 slices ezekial bread

9am - protein shake

12-1pm - 2 cups brown rice and 1lb chicken

3pm - protein shake

4pm - nox shake (pre-workout)

the rest is my PWO shake and insulin regiment.

My diet is largly dictated by what my job requires me to do. Sometimes I have surgeries and can't eat..... sometimes I have to settle for 2-3 egg whites and a whole grain english muffin and a protein bar..... It really all depends on what time I have to be out of the house and what I have to do that day.

Training is as follows:

Monday - Chest/Bi's
Tuesday - Legs
Wednesday - off
Thursday - Back and Tri's
Friday - Off
Saturday - Shoulders & Traps
Sunday - Off

This split seems to be doing really really well for me. I used to train back and tris on tuesday but having 2 days between chest/bi's and back/tri's is nice. It lets me go balls to the wall without getting over sore.

~Haz~

[vettewreck]

What day are you on Haz with your slin? Up any weight yet? Strength?

[Hazard]

day 3 today - 6iu's shot at 6:30pm - I wont be weighing myself until saturday.

I just feel more "full" allllll day long. When I wake up in the morning.... I feel like I got done working out LOL! So far I havn't once felt a hypo feeling. My hands have been shaky a few times but idunno if thats the beginning of going hypo or if it's my nerves..... I definately am feeling more "calm" now but I wont be comfortable until I get used to 10iu's LOL

Strength gains are going to be tough to measure while being on test/tren .

so far today:

6:30pm - 6iu's
6:55pm - 3 scoops of Aftershock (45g's carb/sugar and 52g's protein) - also 6oz orange juice

at 8:30pm i'll have my vitargo and protein shake (70g carbs and 72g protein)

at about 10:00 i'll have my rice and chicken.

~Haz~

[vettewreck]

Gotcha. My buddy whos a pro says 15-20lbs in 4 weeks should be expected. I guess its gonna be kinda hard to tell if ill get hypo or not b/c im always shaking when I leave the gym, i kill myself lol so we shall see.

[bjpennnn]

I know you got plenty of pics of yourself but you should take same so we can check your progress.

[Dukkit]

I know you got plenty of pics of yourself but you should take same so we can check your progress.

he only sexts his sexy pics to me!

bahahahah

[LBSOMEIRON]

Hazard - why the Virtago at 8:30? Why not two meals after the 'aftershock'? and/or just the Vitargo post workout?

I see you went about 25 minutes post slin.....trying to tease yourself into hypo for a minute?

[Hazard]

Hazard - why the Virtago at 8:30? Why not two meals after the 'aftershock'? and/or just the Vitargo post workout?

I see you went about 25 minutes post slin.....trying to tease yourself into hypo for a minute?

I was trying to get a feel for how long it was going to take till I went hypo and it never happened. So I took my aftershock..... no probs. I then downed my vitargo and protein.... no problems. I then waited until 10:30 to eat my rice and chicken..... no problems. Then 11:45pm hits..... and im sitting in my chair with a blanket over my legs. Everything got CRAZY hot..... started sweating..... and I started feeling a little dizzy. Not gunna lie..... I freaked a little LOL! I was a little scared because I ate 2 cups of rice just an hour before and didn't know why I was going hypo. Only thing I can conclude is the meal didn't digest yet. I jumped outa my chair and ran for the fridge to chug my OJ...... when I got there.... IT WAS GONE! My wife drank it!

LMAO she was like "Wtf is wrong with you!?" I said "Nothing.... just in the mood for some junk food....." and I grabbed the tiny bit of ice cream that was in the freezer and poured non-fat caramel sauce on it. I NOM'd that shit right down and no lie..... within seconds I felt better. I sat back down and everything was fine.... no more problems. I also felt like a fvckin house for the rest of the night LOL

So today I'm doing something different.....

PWO 5iu's instead of 6. Aftershock and OJ 15 minutes after my shot. 45 minutes after my shot i'll eat a meal of rice and chicken. I'll have the vitargo and protein on hand just in case. I'll eat a 2nd meal of chicken and rice when I get home approx 2 hours after my shot. if everything goes well..... i'll have the vitargo and protein before bed. If I go hypo...... i'll drink my shake sooner.

~Haz~

[LBSOMEIRON]

SInce when the FRICK did bodybuilding become CHEM LAB time???

I FLUNKED Chem....


I quit!


Bowling anyone? Beers on me...


PS. You felt like a house cause you are a friggn house...bitch.

[Hazard]

Just made a new slin thread that explains quite a bit..... check it out!

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...76#post5398376

~Haz~

[Hazard]

did 4iu's today PWO - downed my aftershock and OJ - about to eat some rice and chicken. I'm bringing vitargo and protein with me home and i'll down that at the 2 hour spike (about an hour form now)

~Haz~

[bjpennnn]

is dukkit worried about the new bromance between you and LBS Haz?

[Hazard]

LMAO! Naw..... Dukki knows my heart belongs to him ahahaha

*note* Arms measured in at 19 1/8" pumped. Previous best was just over 18 1/2"

~Haz~

[LBSOMEIRON]

Gotcha. My buddy whos a pro says 15-20lbs in 4 weeks should be expected. I guess its gonna be kinda hard to tell if ill get hypo or not b/c im always shaking when I leave the gym, i kill myself lol so we shall see.

Pros don't know jack (most) hence the coach profession

However, if that was true, I'd start tomorrow

Is that 19lbs of water and fat?

[LBSOMEIRON]

is dukkit worried about the new bromance between you and LBS Haz?

Good dude, just not my type. Lol.

[muscle_dysmorphia]

I cut back a tad on the aftershock (15 carb, 15 sugar) and had 8oz orange juice with it (24g carb/sugar) - I would say I consumed about 50g's total. It's still more than 10g/iu but I did lower it a tad from yesterday. Tomorrow is a non-workout day and i'll try to get it exactly at 10g/iu and see how I feel.
~Haz~

The first time you go hypoglycaemia you will completely understand why diet is key to insulin , and I applaud you for following it to a T thus far... plz continue..

Insulin can add sheer mass much faster then any other compound out their IMO.

It can definitely mess you up though as well.

One of my first hypo experiences ended up with a ride to the hospital in an ambulance.... Trust me, when you're hypo you can't get a sentence out, hell you can't even sit up, you feel practically comatose.

Let me be the first to tell you as well, that paramedics do NOT usually assume low-blood glucose is the primary cause when they are trying to resuscitate you, especially when you are NOT diabetic/don't have a medical alert bracelet on... Which can definitely cause some issues/mis-diagnoses.

That's not even mentioning the scolding you'll get from a team of MD's and specialists once you get brought back to reality. Always a fun time.

So what were my gains? well, I got a $150 ambulance bill; a $850 hospital bill; and I got to send a whole day hooked up to an IV while getting yelled at by not one, but rather a team of doctors. (definitely not a "priceless." experience haha!)

What I'm trying to say I guess is.... please be careful! haha. and most importantly, don't deviate from the plan.

[vettewreck]

Haz, sounds to me like your hypo is caused by you using the long acting slin, causing spikes much later than expected. After injection you gotta wait/worry for like 6 hours or something like that, where as the fast acting slin (the one im gonna take) should only spike within a few hours. Either way, good to know youre keeping track of your times and eating schedule. I cant wait to start.

LBS- whos the guy in your avatar?

[Chev]

Lol!!!!!!!!!!!

since when the frick did bodybuilding become chem lab time???

I flunked chem....


I quit!


Bowling anyone? Beers on me...


Ps. You felt like a house cause you are a friggn house...bitch.

[LBSOMEIRON]

Haz, sounds to me like your hypo is caused by you using the long acting slin, causing spikes much later than expected. After injection you gotta wait/worry for like 6 hours or something like that, where as the fast acting slin (the one im gonna take) should only spike within a few hours. Either way, good to know youre keeping track of your times and eating schedule. I cant wait to start.

LBS- whos the guy in your avatar?

Trivia - same guy who is/was in HawaiinPride's (forearm shot)

[Hazard]

Trivia - same guy who is/was in HawaiinPride's (forearm shot)

McGrath

~Haz~

[Hazard]

Haz, sounds to me like your hypo is caused by you using the long acting slin, causing spikes much later than expected. After injection you gotta wait/worry for like 6 hours or something like that, where as the fast acting slin (the one im gonna take) should only spike within a few hours. Either way, good to know youre keeping track of your times and eating schedule. I cant wait to start.

LBS- whos the guy in your avatar?

It's the same principle tho..... it's just that most of the dosage hits 2 hours post injection. After that it shouldn't be too bad. My friend swears by the humulin r..... he's used 15iu's 3x a day and hasn't had problems. He used 10iu's novalog pwo and went hypo.....

~Haz~

[Hazard]

No insulin tonight..... i'll be doing day 5 tomorrow PWO after shoulders and traps.....

I'm going to post 2 pics up in a minute..... i've got a shirt on tho LOL

~Haz~

[Hazard]

I'll take some shirt off ones on halloween

~Haz~

[LBSOMEIRON]

Look thick.

Thanks for keeping this updated.

I may go tomorrow.

You think you've gained stomach fat?

Do you have a diet cycle lined up?

[Hazard]

Look thick.

Thanks for keeping this updated.

I may go tomorrow.

You think you've gained stomach fat?

Do you have a diet cycle lined up?

Nah I don't think i've gained any fat yet..... I started T3 yesterday tho just in case. Not sure what you mean by a diet cycle?

~Haz~

[bjpennnn]

mirror mirror in the wall who is the gayest of them all hahahaha, all jokes aside....really happy your keeping a log. Cant wait to see your results, you look solid bro.

[bjpennnn]

any updates?