Test Creams and Gels and patches

**Razor** · 08-23-2012, 05:20 PM

How many of you are on androgel 1.62% or the Andro patch 5%?

Ive been on 5% Andractim DHT Gel and still waiting to see some sort of boost in my test and mood and help me rebound quicker from my e2 crash. How long does it usually take? Im doing 1.25% 4 times a day. I hope this stuff works.

I want to get off nolvadex , but I don't want to have a Gyno rebound

**Dpyle** · 08-23-2012, 06:34 PM

Razor if I'm not mistaken I believe for hrt purposes follow up labs are taken after 2-4 weeks on the gels vs 6-8 for shots. You've been on near a week now right? Give it a couple more weeks and blood levels should have stabilized enough for new labs.

**Razor** · 08-23-2012, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Dpyle

Razor if I'm not mistaken I believe for hrt purposes follow up labs are taken after 2-4 weeks on the gels vs 6-8 for shots. You've been on near a week now right? Give it a couple more weeks and blood levels should have stabilized enough for new labs.

Can I get of the. Nolvadex though been on it a month

**Dpyle** · 08-23-2012, 06:55 PM

Nolva just blocks the e2 receptors in the chest right? If it doesn't have a direct impact on e2 conversion I'd stay on it till you have your labs back so you know where you stand.

**kelkel** · 08-23-2012, 07:02 PM

The dht gel is going to help control your E level but to what extent, you don't know. I don't see a problem running low dose nolva for this time period while your E levels out. It's not going to hurt you IMO and better safe than sorry. I crashed my E in the past to a less than 3 level. Nolva saved my ars. In a one month span my E jumped up to 15 - 16 and remains there basically as I run low yet still have sensitive nips, figure that out. You can test your E2 monthly, no fasting either. I ran mine 3 months in a row to make sure.

**Razor** · 08-23-2012, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Dpyle

Nolva just blocks the e2 receptors in the chest right? If it doesn't have a direct impact on e2 conversion I'd stay on it till you have your labs back so you know where you stand.

I feel like the novadex is limiting my gains

**Razor** · 08-23-2012, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

The dht gel is going to help control your E level but to what extent, you don't know. I don't see a problem running low dose nolva for this time period while your E levels out. It's not going to hurt you IMO and better safe than sorry. I crashed my E in the past to a less than 3 level. Nolva saved my ars. In a one month span my E jumped up to 15 - 16 and remains there basically as I run low yet still have sensitive nips, figure that out. You can test your E2 monthly, no fasting either. I ran mine 3 months in a row to make sure.

Well since I'm applying the dht gel right on the receptor site. It should have 95-99% effects locally on that area right?

**kelkel** · 08-23-2012, 07:57 PM

I can't imagine it being that high but it sure would be nice, right! Once absorbed it's going to disperse but hopefully the receptors in question get the full effect on its way through.

If you feel it's limiting your gains you can go off, just keep it available in case sensitivity rears its ugly head! No fun situation but you'll get through it. I've never felt a difference in gains when on nolva. What are you feeling?

**Razor** · 08-23-2012, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

I can't imagine it being that high but it sure would be nice, right! Once absorbed it's going to disperse but hopefully the receptors in question get the full effect on its way through.

If you feel it's limiting your gains you can go off, just keep it available in case sensitivity rears its ugly head! No fun situation but you'll get through it. I've never felt a difference in gains when on nolva. What are you feeling?

I feel weird all day, just not myself, when I crashed my E2 with weeks of Aromasin and Letro, after I got off that I continued the nolvadex as recommended to prevent a rebound this is also when I did not have myDHT Gel now I dont know if the nolva is keeping my E2 suppressed below 5-10 points or what and thats why I feel weaker during the day, is this possible?

If so thats why I want to get off it...safely of coarse and use the DHT as the main estrogen blocking agent and spot treatment right on the former gyno site.

**Vettester** · 08-23-2012, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Razor

I feel weird all day, just not myself, when I crashed my E2 with weeks of Aromasin and Letro, after I got off that I continued the nolvadex as recommended to prevent a rebound this is also when I did not have myDHT Gel now I dont know if the nolva is keeping my E2 suppressed below 5-10 points or what and thats why I feel weaker during the day, is this possible?

If so thats why I want to get off it...safely of coarse and use the DHT as the main estrogen blocking agent and spot treatment right on the former gyno site.

The Nolva isn't doing anything with keeping your E2 suppressed. Truthfully, this could take months to get back up to a normal level somewhere in the 20's. This I know from experience. What you're dealing with is the aftermath of the crash. There is no easy fix. You will have to take your medicine (and I mean that figuratively) with getting this back on track. You need to keep plenty of calcium and vitamin D in your system, and pretty much the gamut on vitamins and good nutrition.

**Razor** · 08-23-2012, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Vettester

The Nolva isn't doing anything with keeping your E2 suppressed. Truthfully, this could take months to get back up to a normal level somewhere in the 20's. This I know from experience. What you're dealing with is the aftermath of the crash. There is no easy fix. You will have to take your medicine (and I mean that figuratively) with getting this back on track. You need to keep plenty of calcium and vitamin D in your system, and pretty much the gamut on vitamins and good nutrition.

Ok thank you. I am taking a animal pack multi vitamine.
Do you recommend getting off the nolvadex and just doing the DHT gel? If it does what it claims are it will control estrogen I think and prevent a rebound, I have been on the nolva for a month 40/40/20/20. I Just want to start getting off stuff and cleaning my body out.

Also shouldn't the DHT increase help pull me out of the crash back into normal range?

I am going to get another e2 test on the first as well and post results for you.

**Vettester** · 08-23-2012, 09:55 PM

I would run labs as soon as you can, post them, review them with a doctor, then determine the next steps ...

Besides its claims to help with your gyno, I honestly don't know what that cream would do to help you. Testosterone will convert to DHT via 5-AR enzyme, or to E2. If the Nolva is helping the HPTA to signal your testes for more testosterone, then I would imagine that's where you will be seeing the increase of test to estrogen, or if you had been taking HCG as well (not sure if you were or not)?

Along with the advise you get here, I highly recommend you work closely with your doctor! On a good note, just keep in mind that the body is naturally looking to find balance, better known as homeostasis. Sometimes the body's time frame is different than yours and mine. That's why I said in the other post that you got to take your medicine. Start pushing the body in a direction it doesn't want to go and you may never get healed. E2 is serious stuff, I can't emphasize this enough to you.

**Razor** · 08-23-2012, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by Vettester

I would run labs as soon as you can, post them, review them with a doctor, then determine the next steps ...

Besides its claims to help with your gyno, I honestly don't know what that cream would do to help you. Testosterone will convert to DHT via 5-AR enzyme, or to E2. If the Nolva is helping the HPTA to signal your testes for more testosterone, then I would imagine that's where you will be seeing the increase of test to estrogen, or if you had been taking HCG as well (not sure if you were or not)?

Along with the advise you get here, I highly recommend you work closely with your doctor! On a good note, just keep in mind that the body is naturally looking to find balance, better known as homeostasis. Sometimes the body's time frame is different than yours and mine. That's why I said in the other post that you got to take your medicine. Start pushing the body in a direction it doesn't want to go and you may never get healed. E2 is serious stuff, I can't emphasize this enough to you.

Ok so you think the DHT cream is really a non starter even with its claims? Since it does not have to convert and no estrogen is produced from the application and acceptance into the blood... I would think this would be a good thing. I dont know if I told you but Datbetrue told me he used DHT cream and Nolva for gyno when he was younger and recommended I do the same.

No HCG usage, Atomi advised me against that as it could antagonize a gyno rebound

I have been working with a doctor, I switched doctors to one that would help me and run my E2, as you know the first doc would test everything else but my E2, even though I was having high E2 side effects...go figure right.
I actually forgot to tell you but she tested my E2 a week and half ago, I will need to make time to call my doctor tomorrow and get the results and I will post them up on here for you guys!! hoping for the best. She said she would call me if anything was not normal, and I never got a call so that must be a good thing What would be a good number for me to have, low or normal right|? rebounding from the crash I would think that is what I would want..not to high or too low. But I will call and confirm and get the numbers for you guys still.

**Vettester** · 08-23-2012, 10:24 PM

Yes, post those numbers! Stay on top of that stuff with those doctors and don't let too much time go by. Will wait to see what your score is ...

On the HCG , I was just wondering if you had or hadn't taken it. Atomini was correct on his advise with having you hold off.

**kelkel** · 08-24-2012, 08:26 AM

Agree with Atomini on HCG . Intra-testicular E2 is pretty much not controllable. A good number is where "you" feel your best. Life Extension Foundation recommends between 20-30 on a sensitive assay but it's an individual thing. Take a look at this link:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2012/...ey=june%202012

**grilla** · 08-24-2012, 12:31 PM

Double post

**grilla** · 08-24-2012, 12:33 PM

Don't mean to hijack, but does intra-testicular E2 show up on estradiol bloodwork?

grilla

**MRNJ1992** · 08-24-2012, 03:05 PM

was on andro 1.62. my T levels went to 1500-was on 4 pumps. did not feel anything. By the way, is your picture you? If so in great shape....

**Razor** · 08-24-2012, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by MRNJ1992

was on andro 1.62. my T levels went to 1500-was on 4 pumps. did not feel anything. By the way, is your picture you? If so in great shape....

Wow at 1.62% andro gel you were at 1500!!! And by 4 pumps you mean 4 pumps @ 1.62%? I cant wait to get mine tested and see that 5% DHT Gel will do. Im doing 4 pumps @ 1.25% split up into 4 times ED.

As for my avatar Thats my motivation to keep going and look like that eventually, you can see my pics of you click on my name in my profile or go here. but thx!
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...5#.UDfs2zGe6WU

**human project** · 01-04-2013, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by Razor

How many of you are on androgel 1.62% or the Andro patch 5%?

Ive been on 5% Andractim DHT Gel and still waiting to see some sort of boost in my test and mood and help me rebound quicker from my e2 crash. How long does it usually take? Im doing 1.25% 4 times a day. I hope this stuff works.

I want to get off nolvadex, but I don't want to have a Gyno rebound

Is there any point to run andro gel while on cycle?? I have a couple bottles and I'm currently 10wks out from contest.... Could there be any point to give it a try?? Could there be any negative sides??

**toofatbuilder** · 01-04-2013, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Razor

How many of you are on androgel 1.62% or the Andro patch 5%?

Ive been on 5% Andractim DHT Gel and still waiting to see some sort of boost in my test and mood and help me rebound quicker from my e2 crash. How long does it usually take? Im doing 1.25% 4 times a day. I hope this stuff works.

I want to get off nolvadex, but I don't want to have a Gyno rebound

I was on androgel for about 2 months with 0 improvement. It was a p.i.t.a. and didn't help at all. I am starting to do injections tonight. The doctor wants to do shots once a month at $400 each, and $250 to text my levels. I get 250ml/mg for 75 a bottle and doin it myself. they are nuts if im goin a month between shots and paying those numbers. they never gave me an option for the patch.

**kelkel** · 01-04-2013, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by human project

Is there any point to run andro gel while on cycle?? I have a couple bottles and I'm currently 10wks out from contest.... Could there be any point to give it a try?? Could there be any negative sides??

It's still just testosterone delivered in a different format. It'll help elevate your dht a bit!