Life sucks. Help.

**GreMos** · 11-18-2012, 11:55 AM

Hey fellas,

So it's been along time since I posted. Life sucks. I was diagnosed about a month ago with low test. The formula is different than you guys all use but it's 9.55 nmol/L or some crap I don't really remember. Anyway, it's approximately 1/3 test production for my age from what I hear.

So! That being said my doctor put me on androgel . My follow up is tomorrow and I'm getting off TRT because .. Well I'm 22 damned years old. Any suggestions for recovery? Something to start my testes again? HCG and Nolva is what I've been told... But I need help. I'm makig the request for the scrip and its tomorrow so any info ASAP would be great!! Thanks.

**HRTstudent** · 11-18-2012, 12:34 PM

Unfortunately, you probably won't get what you need from the current doc.

If he put a 22 year old on Androgel without an extremely thorough workup then he's basically giving you very poor care.

Before you started androgel did you get blood labs for LH, FSH, prolactin? MRI of pituitary? ... there's a lot to look at before putting a 22 year old on testosterone .

We really can't tell you what you should or should not do... we know nothing about you.

From your avatar you appear nothing like the standard male with low T, so I am going to ask, whats your recent history of prohormones or other hormones/anabolics?

**GreMos** · 11-18-2012, 12:50 PM

Just an easy builder. I took no more than cypionate and t400 in highschool and a little bit later on. Kept it all easily.. Very poor diet, muscle stayed. Why? Not a damned clue. Just this and last year I started making healthy changes in my life because I can actually afford it now. And yeah my doctors mid 70's and didn't suggest a thing. His exact words were "so your testosterones low, lets get something to brig it back up" and have me androgel . Sent me on my way. No labs for any of that.

But this is what I do have. I've heard the measurements are different than what most people use.

**APIs** · 11-18-2012, 03:20 PM

If OP really wants to try a re-start, would suggest you find a "qualified" endo first to get a full blood work-up done & have him walk you through this. Be honest with him on your prior usage & full history. Don't attempt this on your own, you need someone qualified driving the bus on this one. You're too young to be trying this half-ass. My $0.02...

**lovbyts** · 11-19-2012, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by APIs

If OP really wants to try a re-start, would suggest you find a "qualified" endo first to get a full blood work-up done & have him walk you through this. Be honest with him on your prior usage & full history. Don't attempt this on your own, you need someone qualified driving the bus on this one. You're too young to be trying this half-ass. My $0.02...

Honesty is not always the best policy when it comes to doctors, medical records and the US because it can easily effect your future employment and insurance not matter what you think the laws are or your privacy. They are changing every day and anything in your file can be made public with the right paperwork or request.

I do agree on you need to find a qualified doctor though because at 22 your should exhaust ever other possible means of restarting your natural test or finding out why it's low. Do NOT jump on the HRT band wagon.

**TennTarheel** · 11-19-2012, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by HRTstudent

Unfortunately, you probably won't get what you need from the current doc.

If he put a 22 year old on Androgel without an extremely thorough workup then he's basically giving you very poor care.

Before you started androgel did you get blood labs for LH, FSH, prolactin? MRI of pituitary? ... there's a lot to look at before putting a 22 year old on testosterone .

We really can't tell you what you should or should not do... we know nothing about you.

From your avatar you appear nothing like the standard male with low T, so I am going to ask, whats your recent history of prohormones or other hormones/anabolics?

I feel like there is a common misconception of what a "normal person with Low T" looks like. I keep hearing the same thing from my doctors as well. I guess that's why it's been a little difficult to find one who wants to do all they can to help me. I'm seeing an Endo today and hopefully it'll be my lucky day! Fingers crossed! I guess it's all about an individuals genetics.

**Lunk1** · 11-19-2012, 01:30 PM

Welcome back GMOS! I was asking about in in the nutrition section a cpl weeks ago buddy!

**APIs** · 11-19-2012, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Honesty is not always the best policy when it comes to doctors, medical records and the US because it can easily effect your future employment and insurance not matter what you think the laws are or your privacy. They are changing every day and anything in your file can be made public with the right paperwork or request.

At our age I'd agree somewhat. At only 22, OP is in a serious situation with his whole life ahead of him. IMO, I'd say caution is out the window at this point...

**HRTstudent** · 11-19-2012, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by TennTarheel

I feel like there is a common misconception of what a "normal person with Low T" looks like. I keep hearing the same thing from my doctors as well. I guess that's why it's been a little difficult to find one who wants to do all they can to help me. I'm seeing an Endo today and hopefully it'll be my lucky day! Fingers crossed! I guess it's all about an individuals genetics.

Yes I agree there is a common misperception in general, but people that have lived years with low testosterone typically don't look like college athletes

It's just another piece of the puzzle though, its not the answer to the puzzle. It is certainly worth bringing up the subject because many people have no idea what's in the supplements they take. Every day of the week teens are taking prohormones and prosteroids and have no inclination to think they are serious endocrine disruptors. After all, they probably bought it from GNC or some popular online retailer.

**HRTstudent** · 11-19-2012, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by GreMos

Just an easy builder. I took no more than cypionate and t400 in highschool and a little bit later on. Kept it all easily.. Very poor diet, muscle stayed. Why? Not a damned clue. Just this and last year I started making healthy changes in my life because I can actually afford it now. And yeah my doctors mid 70's and didn't suggest a thing. His exact words were "so your testosterones low, lets get something to brig it back up" and have me androgel . Sent me on my way. No labs for any of that.

But this is what I do have. I've heard the measurements are different than what most people use.

Those are those numbers after being on testosterone ?

From that it looks like your T is low, but your thyroid is likely okay (TSH is only one single piece of that -- likely not the most important).

Frankly, I think you need to find a good doctor in HRT and try to take it from there. You're years younger thanmyself, and I even have doubts that I "need" testosterone replacement . I certainly wouldn have started on t gels either. If I could go back I would trial low dose clomid first.

**GreMos** · 11-20-2012, 10:14 AM

Thanks fellas. I just saw the doctor today and told him I want off HRT. He's setting up an appointment ASAP with a endocrinologist. ASAP in doctors vocab is probably 7 months from now. But oh well at least the appointments been made. Or in the making. Either way things are looking up. Can't wait to find out what the hell I can about these slacker testes if mine. Bastards! Lol

**Granovich** · 12-03-2012, 12:20 AM

dude that sux. i was in the same situation as i used Pro hormone. i used nolvadex /clomid for loooooooooong time like 4-5 months along side other natural boosters and it got better
but thats just me . you should see a doctor asap
longer you are shut down its hard to get back up

**lovbyts** · 12-03-2012, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by APIs

At our age I'd agree somewhat. At only 22, OP is in a serious situation with his whole life ahead of him. IMO, I'd say caution is out the window at this point...

Exactly why he should not disclose everything unless he HAS to. He has his whole life ahead of him (vs my only 30 or so) and how many future employees may pass him up due to something in his records? What if he goes into politics or law enforcement or something that require a security clearance? Everything would be disclosed and he may not get that once in a lifetime job.

Now if he was 70 I would agree with you but since he is only 22 your logic is backwards.

**APIs** · 12-03-2012, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Exactly why he should not disclose everything unless he HAS to. He has his whole life ahead of him (vs my only 30 or so) and how many future employees may pass him up due to something in his records? What if he goes into politics or law enforcement or something that require a security clearance? Everything would be disclosed and he may not get that once in a lifetime job.

Now if he was 70 I would agree with you but since he is only 22 your logic is backwards.

My logic isnt backwards. It's an opinion just like you have your own. The guy is only 22, his health is at risk which IMO trumps any "what-ifs" described above. Everyone has their own level of risk they're willing to take. We just simply disagree on what that level should be for the OP...

**lovbyts** · 12-03-2012, 06:23 AM

How is his heath in risk or any more than for anyone who goes to the doctor? He has no infection, nothing life threatening and he has been dealing with it or a long time; it's not something that just came about the last couple of days.

He already has an appointment to see an Endo and between blood work and xrays/mri should show anything that is going on. Yes it's your opinion and I'm basing mine off not only my experience but many others who have made similar mistakes thinking it was no big deal. If you dont think about your future then why bother with the present?

OK instead of what if. ANYTHING you tell the doctor will end up in his file and eventually will effect your future healthcare and probably employment.

**Capebuffalo** · 12-03-2012, 07:27 AM

I just posted in the Q and A about what to tell the doctor.
In my personal experience do not tell the doctor anything about any type of drug use that has not been prescribed. If it is life threading then disclose everything. Once you get "Used steroids " in your file it will follow you forever. If you have any medical problem from that day forward the insurance company will deny it because you caused the problem by using steroids. You say it didn't contribute. Prove it. It will also affect you ability to get life insurance or increase it. Trust me on this. I was honest once. And I would never ever do it again.