Thoughts on tren as a second cycle?

[diabolicsoul]

I only have an interest of running Test and tren . Maybe some anavar . I don't really want to spend extra money for other compounds when tren would yield better results.

I would start low/moderate dose of tren with test p. AI and Caber or prami. And if I really can't stand the tren sides, then my plan is to stick with test only cycles.

Wise idea?

[sixfootseven]

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[qscgugcsq]

maybe you should put deca instead of tren ... less harsh(for most people) with some dbol youll have GREAT gains. and you'll have experience with 19nor so tren will be the logic next step.

But if you really want tren, then start really low like 50mg/EOD and be sure you have a GREAT AI.

I personaly don't see problem with tren in second cycle. But start low and be ready to everything.

Good luck

[Wes201]

I dont have experience with tren but i know that it is widely discouraged on this board for beginners to use it. Most people here will tell you that you shouldnt consider it untill you have several cycles under your belt. But if i was going to run tren for the first time, i would want to run ace. Reason being it is a short ester, fast in and also fast out so if the sides do become to much to handle at least you can just drop it and its out of your system pretty quckly, however if you ran tren enan, you would not be so lucky if you had to drop it because of undesireable side effects because it would take much longer to get it out of your system then ace

And like the gentlemen above said, i would run a moderate dose of 50mg eod of ace. That will be all you need imo, a little goes a long way with tren, remember it is 5x more powerful then test

[austinite]

What are your stats, Diabolic?

[diabolicsoul]

I dont have experience with tren but i know that it is widely discouraged on this board for beginners to use it. Most people here will tell you that you shouldnt consider it untill you have several cycles under your belt. But if i was going to run tren for the first time, i would want to run ace. Reason being it is a short ester, fast in and also fast out so if the sides do become to much to handle at least you can just drop it and its out of your system pretty quckly, however if you ran tren enan, you would not be so lucky if you had to drop it because of undesireable side effects because it would take much longer to get it out of your system then ace

And like the gentlemen above said, i would run a moderate dose of 50mg eod of ace. That will be all you need imo, a little goes a long way with tren, remember it is 5x more powerful then test

Yeah thanks, I only have an interest of running short ester cycles, get in and out and recover as quick as possible.

What are your stats, Diabolic?

Current: Age 24, 180lbs 14% BF 5'8.

I'll be 25 when I start to set up and plan my test/tren cycle. Goal is to get some nice lean gains, and get around 10% BF.

I've read the tren thread that's stickied, and other threads. So I have a good idea on a proper cycle, and I know what sides to watch out for, etc.

But yeah, I would go with a dose of about 50mg EOD, and see how I react with that.

[MickeyKnox]

If your first cycle was with a long ester like Enth or Cyp, then why not try a short ester like Prop only and perhaps include an oral such as Tbol. This would make a solid second cycle and give you some experience in pinning more often. You would also take advantage and experience a short cycle and faster recovery with only 3 days to wait until PCT begins.

[Lunk1]

Test/Var would be a great second cycle that would assist you in reaching your goals.

[MuttonChop]

I did Tren fairly early too. I had to cut it short because I couldn't deal with the mental sides.

I will just describe it as watching someone skydive. Looks like a lot of fun. You then climb into a plane and you are at 16,000 ft and going at 500 km/hr...and you open the plane door and the wind hits you as you look down...you will say to yourself "Why the fvck did I decide to do this?".

It has taken a lot of will power for me to handle my current Tren cycle. Tren makes me bipolar and borderline depressive at times. I look into the mirror and I see myself as small and puny even though I am big. I can't fall asleep at 3AM and I question my sanity as I dream about killing my best friend.

It is a lot to handle. Make sure that you are mentally strong.

With all of that being said, I feel like a mofo in the gym. I get the half the gym watching as I squat or clean. I am very aggressive and assertive and this comes out in my body language...people move out of my way as I walk through a corridor. Guys are afraid to look me in the eyes. The women are nervous as hell but they make any excuse to start a conversation.

It is a wonder drug...just make sure you are willing to pay the price. It is indeed a deal with the devil.

[MickeyKnox]

I did Tren fairly early too. I had to cut it short because I couldn't deal with the mental sides.

I will just describe it as watching someone skydive. Looks like a lot of fun. You then climb into a plane and you are at 16,000 ft and going at 500 km/hr...and you open the plane door and the wind hits you as you look down...you will say to yourself "Why the fvck did I decide to do this?".

It has taken a lot of will power for me to handle my current Tren cycle. Tren makes me bipolar and borderline depressive at times. I look into the mirror and I see myself as small and puny even though I am big. I can't fall asleep at 3AM and I question my sanity as I dream about killing my best friend.

It is a lot to handle. Make sure that you are mentally strong.

With all of that being said, I feel like a mofo in the gym. I get the half the gym watching as I squat or clean. I am very aggressive and assertive and this comes out in my body language...people move out of my way as I walk through a corridor. Guys are afraid to look me in the eyes. The women are nervous as hell but they make any excuse to start a conversation.

It is a wonder drug...just make sure you are willing to pay the price. It is indeed a deal with the devil.

Hands down one of the best descriptive comments about Tren - especially the last paragraph.

[Knockout_Power]

Simple advice would be to avoid tren until you see how your body reacts to multiple compounds. With Tren being one of the nastiest, its best to see what your body is prone to doing with incramental steps rather than dive into the deep end.

Much safer... and who knows, you may just get the results you want from a far less harsh cycle and not have to deal with tren sides at all.

[Charger527]

save the tren bro, there are heaps of good short esters out there.

hit npp bro its awsome! tren will be around for ever no need to rush into it.

[Knockout_Power]

hit npp bro its awsome! tren will be around for ever no need to rush into it.

ooooh, me likey this suggestion

[diabolicsoul]

I did Tren fairly early too. I had to cut it short because I couldn't deal with the mental sides.

I will just describe it as watching someone skydive. Looks like a lot of fun. You then climb into a plane and you are at 16,000 ft and going at 500 km/hr...and you open the plane door and the wind hits you as you look down...you will say to yourself "Why the fvck did I decide to do this?".

It has taken a lot of will power for me to handle my current Tren cycle. Tren makes me bipolar and borderline depressive at times. I look into the mirror and I see myself as small and puny even though I am big. I can't fall asleep at 3AM and I question my sanity as I dream about killing my best friend.

It is a lot to handle. Make sure that you are mentally strong.

With all of that being said, I feel like a mofo in the gym. I get the half the gym watching as I squat or clean. I am very aggressive and assertive and this comes out in my body language...people move out of my way as I walk through a corridor. Guys are afraid to look me in the eyes. The women are nervous as hell but they make any excuse to start a conversation.

It is a wonder drug...just make sure you are willing to pay the price. It is indeed a deal with the devil.

Really good info, thanks, good read.

I will most likely end up listening to the majority of the people who are saying wait. You guys have much more experience and know best.

I am thinking of a test prop + var/ or tbol cycle and will go from there.

Thanks for the advice!

[MuttonChop]

Really good info, thanks, good read.

I will most likely end up listening to the majority of the people who are saying wait. You guys have much more experience and know best.

I am thinking of a test prop + var/ or tbol cycle and will go from there.

Thanks for the advice!

Go with Tbol instead of Var. It does what var does but better...maybe except for the strength gains.

[428scj]

I dont have experience with tren but i know that it is widely discouraged on this board for beginners to use it. Most people here will tell you that you shouldnt consider it untill you have several cycles under your belt. But if i was going to run tren for the first time, i would want to run ace. Reason being it is a short ester, fast in and also fast out so if the sides do become to much to handle at least you can just drop it and its out of your system pretty quckly, however if you ran tren enan, you would not be so lucky if you had to drop it because of undesireable side effects because it would take much longer to get it out of your system then ace
And like the gentlemen above said, i would run a moderate dose of 50mg eod of ace. That will be all you need imo, a little goes a long way with tren, remember it is 5x more powerful then test

Excellent advice! It is exactly what I did and when I found Tren A did nothing bad for me in regards to side effects with the exception of night sweats, I switched to Tren E and found the same was true. Tren Ace first always in my opinion, to see how you react to it and then move onto the longer ester.