Can I bulk with Oral Winstrol?

[geronamo]

I have been reading a sh*t load of info, and getting mixed reviews. So I thought I would come to you guys, as you have been a big help in the past. Can oral winstrol be used to gain muscle mass? Something like 5kg of lean muscle? I like the idea of low water retention, and the fact it gives you a ripped rock hard look is also what attracts me to it. If I was on a high cal, high protein, med-high carb, low fat diet, would I gain mass aswell?

Thanks guys.

Peace

[marcus300]

You can in theory use any kind of AAS to bulk with because its mainly down to your diet so long as your in an anabolic environment. Ive seen some remarkable gains in muscle tissue from compounds you wouldnt associate with a bulking compounds. If you havent used many AAS and your body is like a dried sponge from yrs of training you will grow well on low water retaining AAS but if your asking for exact lbs, thats impossible to say!

[Bojangles69]

Originally Posted by geronamo

I have been reading a sh*t load of info, and getting mixed reviews. So I thought I would come to you guys, as you have been a big help in the past. Can oral winstrol be used to gain muscle mass? Something like 5kg of lean muscle? I like the idea of low water retention, and the fact it gives you a ripped rock hard look is also what attracts me to it. If I was on a high cal, high protein, med-high carb, low fat diet, would I gain mass aswell?

Thanks guys.

Peace

If thats what you're trying to do Id go with m-drol (superdrol) instead. Just sounds like it better matches what you're looking for.

[domeyeahaigh]

Originally Posted by geronamo

I have been reading a sh*t load of info, and getting mixed reviews. So I thought I would come to you guys, as you have been a big help in the past. Can oral winstrol be used to gain muscle mass? Something like 5kg of lean muscle? I like the idea of low water retention, and the fact it gives you a ripped rock hard look is also what attracts me to it. If I was on a high cal, high protein, med-high carb, low fat diet, would I gain mass aswell?

Thanks guys.

Peace

yup thats the formula...use that drink water take your protein n creatine n zma n whatever else n lift your FOCKING ASS OFF

once you cant get any bigger or stronger or whatever...turn to the darkside..

n yeah you can use winstrol with the above formula n ull gain...if your looking for lean quality mass I would go with EQtest ..or shit even Havoc has been good to me in the payast.

respect

[geronamo]

Thanks Marcus, I wasnt asking for exact weight gain.. Just sort of putting out a ball park to see if my expectations were possible. Yup I would say Im pretty close to my genetic max. I have trained for about 5 years, gained over 20 kgs in that time and am sitting at 105 kgs.. I think I should respond well, what do u think?

Bojangles, why would you suggest superdrol over winstrol, what are the benefits? and main points of difference? Thanks guys.

[premedreject]

call that b$tch bojangles!!!!! pitbul

[geronamo]

domeyeahaigh, would you say eq will give me better lean mass gains than winstrol. Im an athlete so would either one be better for cardio etc? Not that its to important as its coming up off season. Just looking for some extra lean mass to really make an impact next season.

[marcus300]

Originally Posted by geronamo

Thanks Marcus, I wasnt asking for exact weight gain.. Just sort of putting out a ball park to see if my expectations were possible. Yup I would say Im pretty close to my genetic max. I have trained for about 5 years, gained over 20 kgs in that time and am sitting at 105 kgs.. I think I should respond well, what do u think?

Bojangles, why would you suggest superdrol over winstrol, what are the benefits? and main points of difference? Thanks guys.

Is this your first cycle?
what are your stats?

[domeyeahaigh]

Originally Posted by geronamo

domeyeahaigh, would you say eq will give me better lean mass gains than winstrol. Im an athlete so would either one be better for cardio etc? Not that its to important as its coming up off season. Just looking for some extra lean mass to really make an impact next season.

EQ increase RBC

you ever heard of blood doping...epo?

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah budday

what kinda athlete are you mate?

if u runnin EQ tho id run Test 16 week...EQ 15 weeks... you could even use winstrol at the beggining and end if you really really really wanted to...or just beginning or just end its up to you...

but seriously what kind of athlete are you because that kinda matters too

also whats your full stats?

[Bojangles69]

Originally Posted by geronamo

Thanks Marcus, I wasnt asking for exact weight gain.. Just sort of putting out a ball park to see if my expectations were possible. Yup I would say Im pretty close to my genetic max. I have trained for about 5 years, gained over 20 kgs in that time and am sitting at 105 kgs.. I think I should respond well, what do u think?

Bojangles, why would you suggest superdrol over winstrol, what are the benefits? and main points of difference? Thanks guys.

Superdrol for me has always been better in terms of putting on lean mass. Although it is possible with winny, winny is traditionally used for dropping fat whilst maintaining muscle mass, not exactly for putting mass on.

Although you could finagle your diet to make putting on 5kg possible with winny, I just still think superdrol would do it wayy better. Theres not really a lot of differences, both are fairly dry imo, winny can cause some joint problems, but I just find the superdrol a lot more powerful for putting on lean mass compared to winny. People may disagree but its just how my body reacts to both. G/luck!

[geronamo]

Im a rugby player, so being fit, fast, big and strong are all just as important.

Stats -
189cm - 6 foot 2
Age 22
Weight 105 kg 230 lbs..
Been training hard for 5 years or so.
Never done a cycle.

The only reason I am opting for something like winny, as opposed to test. Is I dont want to gain too much from a cycle. As I am in the training squad for a top team. I want to gain 5 clean kgs, keep it all.. And not raise any eye brows in the process. At the start of last season I gained 13kg natrually so 5 kg wont be to much of a shock to them.

[marcus300]

Personally after reading your goals and stats I dont think its wise to do a cycle, even a weak one! I wouldnt risk shutting down your natural hormones when they havent fully developed, this could cause you serious issues and problems you dont want to be having in your 20's. Changing your diet and training style will achieve your goal IMHO and I would leave this until your around 24-25yrs old.

[sizerp]

I wouldn't recommend low fat. Try a 30/40/30 split pro/carb/fat for bulking.

[geronamo]

Hmm arent there precautions I could take to avoid shut down? Proper PCT? I have my diet locked, we have a nutritionist.. we have trainers and we regularly vary what we do in the gym. Its just getting to the point where if I dont start doing somethng with my sporting career, it will be over before it started.. Ill take your advice on board and continue my research.
Any other input would be great. I would really love to hear from ppl with first hand experience. Or someone who has achieved simillar goals to mine.

[geronamo]

Yeah, I usually eat alot of good fats etc.. like olive oil, avocados etc.. Just stay away from saturated fats..

[marcus300]

Originally Posted by geronamo

Hmm arent there precautions I could take to avoid shut down? Proper PCT? I have my diet locked, we have a nutritionist.. we have trainers and we regularly vary what we do in the gym. Its just getting to the point where if I dont start doing somethng with my sporting career, it will be over before it started.. Ill take your advice on board and continue my research.
Any other input would be great. I would really love to hear from ppl with first hand experience. Or someone who has achieved simillar goals to mine.

If your going to take AAS even weak ones they all attcak your HPTA and shut down/suppress your natural testosterone, pct will start your own production back up again but if your HPTA isnt fully developed you run the risk of it never getting to full working order and you could end up with low test for loife which will results in HRT for life, seen it that many times with guys who run the risk, you dont need AAS at your age you have a very high amount naturally, use it along side a diet anmd training program.

[domeyeahaigh]

Originally Posted by premedreject

call that b$tch bojangles!!!!! pitbul

isnt that lil jon?

[geronamo]

Soo the general concencus is yes it can be done? Providing I am on a high cal diet? Any idea on the type of gains I can expect?

[marcus300]

You dont want to be running any kind of AAS at the age of 22 yrs old, the risk isnt worth taking, forget any kind of AAS for the goals your wanting to achieve.

[GrandmasterSpank]

Originally Posted by sizerp

I wouldn't recommend low fat. Try a 30/40/30 split pro/carb/fat for bulking.

X 2 ^^^

I personally vary between 20-30% fat in my diet, esspecially when I'm off-cycle aka. running off natty test. This is because eating a decent amount of dietary fat helps boost your Testosterone production, amongst other benefits.

[geronamo]

Thanks for that.. I still very interested in the results I could expect.. Even if I waited 2 or 3 years to do it.

[gettingjackedandtan]

winstrol by itself made my joints feel like a 9000 year old dude. even bending over to pick up weights hurt.

[premedreject]

Originally Posted by domeyeahaigh

isnt that lil jon?

pitbull - its my job to know this.