AGGRESSIVE PCT needed for 2 year cycle

[G-Force]

ok ive been cycling for 2 years solid

usually 12 - 16 weeks on and 10 - 14 weeks cruise on 250 - 375mg test per week

it seems like ive been only doin this for about a year but i guess if i am honest its more like 2 years

i need to get off cycle as my stomach is very bad - acid reflux and hiatus hernia - i just cant get the calories in anymore
also i have had acompressed lower disc for a while now and need to fix both these things before i start lifintg heavy again

so normally when i used to do pct i would use nolva and clomid for 6 weeks post cycle -sometimes with hcg the last 4 weeks of my cycle

but i have not done pct in 2 years lol and i understand things have changed

i have seen swifto's pct involving aromasin and hcg

i have never used aromasin

i am looking for compounds and doses - considering the length of my cycle i am unsure on best compounds and doses. how about the addition of caber?

i am just comming to the end of a 12 week test (850mg), EQ (800mg) deca (700mg) cycle

money is not an issue - i am just lookin the best possible pct (EVER lol)

cheers

[Big]

My first call would be to use HCG for the remainder of the cycle, then nolva, clomid, and aromasin for pct. I'll stand down and wait for swifto's advice, he knows a lot more about pct than I do.

[Swifto]

Originally Posted by G-Force

ok ive been cycling for 2 years solid

usually 12 - 16 weeks on and 10 - 14 weeks cruise on 250 - 375mg test per week

it seems like ive been only doin this for about a year but i guess if i am honest its more like 2 years

i need to get off cycle as my stomach is very bad - acid reflux and hiatus hernia - i just cant get the calories in anymore
also i have had acompressed lower disc for a while now and need to fix both these things before i start lifintg heavy again

so normally when i used to do pct i would use nolva and clomid for 6 weeks post cycle -sometimes with hcg the last 4 weeks of my cycle

but i have not done pct in 2 years lol and i understand things have changed

i have seen swifto's pct involving aromasin and hcg

i have never used aromasin

i am looking for compounds and doses - considering the length of my cycle i am unsure on best compounds and doses. how about the addition of caber?

i am just comming to the end of a 12 week test (850mg), EQ (800mg) deca (700mg) cycle

money is not an issue - i am just lookin the best possible pct (EVER lol)

cheers

OK...

Have you been using HCG throughout your cycle, or at all?

[G-Force]

Originally Posted by Swifto

OK...

Have you been using HCG throughout your cycle, or at all?

yeah usually a small amount towards the end of my blast

but only something like 500iu EOd for 20 days

[Swifto]

Originally Posted by G-Force

yeah usually a small amount towards the end of my blast

but only something like 500iu EOd for 20 days

Do you have testicular atrophy? Have you ever had testicular atrophy during this 2 year cycle?

[OH REALLY]

help the man swifto

[TITANIUM]

Swifto is on this, as I see Marcus is also.

I'm going to watch this closely, as I haven't seen such a long cycle except the pro BB's and basically TRT members.

T

[Gaetin]

Originally Posted by G-Force

ok ive been cycling for 2 years solid

usually 12 - 16 weeks on and 10 - 14 weeks cruise on 250 - 375mg test per week

it seems like ive been only doin this for about a year but i guess if i am honest its more like 2 years

i need to get off cycle as my stomach is very bad - acid reflux and hiatus hernia - i just cant get the calories in anymore
also i have had acompressed lower disc for a while now and need to fix both these things before i start lifintg heavy again

so normally when i used to do pct i would use nolva and clomid for 6 weeks post cycle -sometimes with hcg the last 4 weeks of my cycle

but i have not done pct in 2 years lol and i understand things have changed

i have seen swifto's pct involving aromasin and hcg

i have never used aromasin

i am looking for compounds and doses - considering the length of my cycle i am unsure on best compounds and doses. how about the addition of caber?

i am just comming to the end of a 12 week test (850mg), EQ (800mg) deca (700mg) cycle

money is not an issue - i am just lookin the best possible pct (EVER lol)

cheers

I don't see how you are escaping TRT...jmo

[Vitruvian-Man]

Originally Posted by G-Force

ok ive been cycling for 2 years solid

usually 12 - 16 weeks on and 10 - 14 weeks cruise on 250 - 375mg test per week

it seems like ive been only doin this for about a year but i guess if i am honest its more like 2 years

i need to get off cycle as my stomach is very bad - acid reflux and hiatus hernia - i just cant get the calories in anymore
also i have had acompressed lower disc for a while now and need to fix both these things before i start lifintg heavy again

so normally when i used to do pct i would use nolva and clomid for 6 weeks post cycle -sometimes with hcg the last 4 weeks of my cycle

but i have not done pct in 2 years lol and i understand things have changed

i have seen swifto's pct involving aromasin and hcg

i have never used aromasin

i am looking for compounds and doses - considering the length of my cycle i am unsure on best compounds and doses. how about the addition of caber?

i am just comming to the end of a 12 week test (850mg), EQ (800mg) deca (700mg) cycle

money is not an issue - i am just lookin the best possible pct (EVER lol)

cheers

24 months on cycle? I'm going to have to agree with Gaetin here... You've probably set yourself up for TRT... sorry bro.

Anyways, you should definitely get in touch with an Endocrinologist (since money isn't an issue).... They would be the best person to be monitoring your attempt at restoring your HPTA (test-production). I would definitely want a specialist monitoring my blood-work in a situation like this.

Anyways, I was just helping someone in a similar situation in another thread.. you should probably read through it for some good info. (pay special attention to post #6)

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...35#post4930235

Good luck.

[sportfan33]

just reading the threads, will be following this up

[Swifto]

You can bounce back, I've seen some bounce back after more than 2 years, but this is VERY individual. You may have saved yourself from HRT by using HCG whilst "on". But if testicular dysfunction has set in fully, your going to struggle.

My advice is to stay on a very low dose of Test Enan 100-150mg/wk, then run HCG at 500ius/ED for 14-21 days with Arimidex 0.5mg/EOD or Aromasin 10mg/EOD. That should kick your testes into action again and hopefully stimulate the leydig cells into producing endogenous T.

Drop the AI the on day 14 or 21, whenever your testes regain volume/size. Alhtough I'd be inclined to go 21 days.

Then you need some Tore and Clomid. If you cant handle the Clomid sides, use Tamox at 20mg/ED.

Tore 120/120/100/60/60/60
Clomid 100/50/25/25/25/25 OR Tamox 20/20/20/20/20/20

Get BW done 5-6 weeks after that and if you havent bounced back, go see an Endo, you may need HRT. Although some studies on SERMs restoring the HPTA are as long as 12 weeks. You could go 12 weeks if you want too.

[G-Force]

thanks swifto and vit...man

my testes never really went smaller on cycle - not that i noticed anyway
so i am guessing thats a good thing

so you are sayin run test 100 - 150mg per week JUST while i am taking the hcg??
you didnt specify when to stop the test?

i can handle clomid sides no problem - i was planning on using both the nolva and clomid together? i have never heard of TORE? what is this?


i am obviously very worried about my sex drive
i have a very hot / lovely girlfriend and dont wana lose her
how about the addition of caber during pct?

[sportfan33]

well i hope ur relatinoship isnt based on just sex

[Swifto]

Originally Posted by G-Force

thanks swifto and vit...man

my testes never really went smaller on cycle - not that i noticed anyway
so i am guessing thats a good thing

so you are sayin run test 100 - 150mg per week JUST while i am taking the hcg??
you didnt specify when to stop the test?

i can handle clomid sides no problem - i was planning on using both the nolva and clomid together? i have never heard of TORE? what is this?


i am obviously very worried about my sex drive
i have a very hot / lovely girlfriend and dont wana lose her
how about the addition of caber during pct?

Caber isnt needed as I dont think your prolactin will be elevated, but if you want to use it for its effects on dopamine (orgasm's) go ahead. But the safer option is viagra or cialis.

Toremifene Citrate. Its a very good SERM at restarting the HPTA. I'll PM you...

Keep the Test going now, if your still on cycle at 100-150mg/wk, then use the HCG as I stated with an AI. Then begin PCT with a combination of SERMs. 5-6 weeks later, bloodwork.

Tribulas can be used to raise labido 1-2g/ED, but will do nada for androgen production.

[OH REALLY]

swifto swifto

[Swifto]

Originally Posted by OH REALLY

swifto swifto

Yes...

[G-Force]

cheers swifto
i am going to do my last jab of test enanthate, eq and deca on monday
do 3 weeks of hcg 500 iu ED with arimidex .5mg EOD
will continue running test prop at 50mg EOD for 3 weeks - i want to add in some masteron - 100mg EOD at this phase because i want to do a 3 week low carb diet
so that i can cram the carbs in during pct and rebound

then start clomid / nolva after 3 weeks and run until my sex drive comes back
and maybe Tore if i can get hold of it

was thinking abouit tribulus but i have read studies that it can actually be suppressive to your HPTA in high doses.....

[Swifto]

Originally Posted by G-Force

cheers swifto
i am going to do my last jab of test enanthate, eq and deca on monday
do 3 weeks of hcg 500 iu ED with arimidex .5mg EOD
will continue running test prop at 50mg EOD for 3 weeks - i want to add in some masteron - 100mg EOD at this phase because i want to do a 3 week low carb diet
so that i can cram the carbs in during pct and rebound

then start clomid / nolva after 3 weeks and run until my sex drive comes back
and maybe Tore if i can get hold of it

was thinking abouit tribulus but i have read studies that it can actually be suppressive to your HPTA in high doses.....

Tribulas shows no androgenic effect in peer-reviewed published studies. Even the recent ones (most resent on women months ago) shows no increase in anything. No androgenic effect, means both raising/lowering androgen production, but it will raise labido.

If you dont want to use that, use Tongkat Ali. In animal research in massive doses, it actually showed an elevation of LH and T. It probably a better option, but dont spend the extra on "standardized" extracts becuase there nothing but a rip off.

[charlesriley]

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[DS44]

How Ironic is this post, i have to say thanks I need help also with my long cycle....2 years to be exact!


I have been doing 1cc 250mg test enthate every 6 days for 2 years and i'm currently still on, but looking to come off. i have not used any HCG during this cycle. for the last 8 weeks i have been using 200 mgs of deca along with the test every 6 days... Well I 'm ready to come off and swift to i need your advice....

i have arimidex on hand and would like to use that instead of novaldex for PCT... Swift if you could just help me out with the clomid and any other ideas to come off and get my natural test functioning it would be appreciate....


I have run many cycles in my life time but this low test dose long cycle adding one other AAS every 8 weeks or so has been awesome with quality gains..

currrent stats 40yrs, 265lbs 37 inch waist

thanks swifto for your help...

PS sorry for hijacking thread...

thanks
DS

[Swifto]

Originally Posted by DS44

How Ironic is this post, i have to say thanks I need help also with my long cycle....2 years to be exact!


I have been doing 1cc 250mg test enthate every 6 days for 2 years and i'm currently still on, but looking to come off. i have not used any HCG during this cycle. for the last 8 weeks i have been using 200 mgs of deca along with the test every 6 days... Well I 'm ready to come off and swift to i need your advice....

i have arimidex on hand and would like to use that instead of novaldex for PCT... Swift if you could just help me out with the clomid and any other ideas to come off and get my natural test functioning it would be appreciate....


I have run many cycles in my life time but this low test dose long cycle adding one other AAS every 8 weeks or so has been awesome with quality gains..

currrent stats 40yrs, 265lbs 37 inch waist

thanks swifto for your help...

PS sorry for hijacking thread...

thanks
DS

Get off the Deca and run a low dose of Test Enan 100-150mg/wk for 4-5 weeks, then conduct an HCG protocol.

500ius for 21 days with an AI.

Then Clomid/Tamox the same as I suggested for GForce.

[G-Force]

Originally Posted by Swifto

Tore 120/120/100/60/60/60
Clomid 100/50/25/25/25/25 OR Tamox 20/20/20/20/20/20

.

is that 120 tore for week one and 2, then 100 for week 3 etc
or is it day one, day two etc?

also is it not worth using nolva and clomid together with the tore in your opinion?

[Vitruvian-Man]

Originally Posted by G-Force

is that 120 tore for week one and 2, then 100 for week 3 etc
or is it day one, day two etc?

^^ These are the daily and weekly values... (IE) week 1 & 2 = 120mg of tore each day.

also is it not worth using nolva and clomid together with the tore in your opinion?

No need to add clomid/nolva/tore. That's too many SERMS. Clomid and tamox are interchangeable. I would stick with clomid though (if you can handle the emotional sides.)

advice in bold bro.

[G-Force]

thanks
ive never noticed any emotional sides from clomid to be honest?

the arimidex ive got is from a pretty rubbish lab that tends to be underdosed
would i be able to run nolva along side it with the hcg in the 3 weeks before my pct starts
or i could run arimidex at 1mg eod rather than 0.5mg

[G-Force]

actually i just realised i will still have deca in my system for these three weeks so best not use the nolva eh

[Vitruvian-Man]

Originally Posted by G-Force

actually i just realised i will still have deca in my system for these three weeks so best not use the nolva eh

I would stick to A-dex instead of nolva.

This is because they accomplish two different tasks. A-dex will destroy ~85% of estrogen... whereas, nolva prevents estrogen from entering receptors in the breast tissue.

If you don't like the A.I. you've got now (arimidex) then buy another bottle from a different lab.

IMO, there is NO point cheaping out, when you're trying to restore your HPTA (especially if your situation, where you abused AAS to the point where recovery may not be 100% possible...)

PM me if you have anymore issues.

-VM

[G-Force]

Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man

If you don't like the A.I. you've got now (arimidex) then buy another bottle from a different lab.

IMO, there is NO point cheaping out,
-VM

nothing to do with money
this is just the only arimidex i can get hold of
am lookin out for some pro chem stuff though
hopefully my mate will come through

[Swifto]

You need to be using an AI with HCG IMHO. Aromaisn 10mg/EOD.

Then Tore as I suggested and as VM correctly confirmed, with Clomid IMHO. Clomid is the KING of SERMs for HPTA recovery.

Keep me posted on what happens here please.

[spencer c]

am very interested in this thread.. some great shit.. g-force please keep us updated on ur recovery in all aspects... maintaining, energy levels, libido, depression etc etc...

I am coming off close to a year long test cruise on and off soon (well when i get the funds to afford all the necessary products and such for recovery and PCT) no other compounds thank god and would liek to see how i could apply this to myself and what i can expect in the near future

[martialartsman]

very interesting read and to think im confused on my 12 week cycle. Good luck with it all G Force.