Need help with this gut. 41 years old

[newbie-screwbie]

[newbie-screwbie]

What type of work out routine would you do with this crappy body?

Im 41 and im 6'1 230

BF...Who knows

I do a split routine and go very heavy. Im a naturally strong guy. I guess my question is would you do any gear? Would you try to do a full body workout and lift for weight loss? Im ok with my diet as my wife is a Dietician and that help a ton.

I do 2 on 1 off.

Chest/ tri/ abs

Back/bi/

Shooulder/legs/

Play basketball 3 days a week and usually run for 10-15 min after workout.

[newbie-screwbie]

Been lifting for about 6 months.

[warchild]

change up your workouts to 5 days a week
mon-shoulders
tues-chest
wend-legs
thurs-arms
fri-back
toss in cardio 30-45 3x aweek and abs and get a good diet in check

[newbie-screwbie]

Originally Posted by warchild

change up your workouts to 5 days a week
mon-shoulders
tues-chest
wend-legs
thurs-arms
fri-back
toss in cardio 30-45 3x aweek and abs and get a good diet in check

Id like that...Im at the gym everday anyway. Why would that be an advantage? Can you tell me why Id have better results with that? So if i did do this should i add more sets than what im doing with my split?

Thanks!

[newbie-screwbie]

Originally Posted by warchild

change up your workouts to 5 days a week
mon-shoulders
tues-chest
wend-legs
thurs-arms
fri-back
toss in cardio 30-45 3x aweek and abs and get a good diet in check

6 hours a week of hoop doesnt count as cardio? We play usually 2-3 times a week. I run my ass off.

[**TOP**]

Your wife is a dietician ,please prove me wrong and post your diet either here or in the diet section. In my experiences dietician dont know shit about getting someone shredded!! Not to say your wife doesnt im just saying from your pics,my first words of advice are DIET .DO NOT USE ANY GEAR YET ! POST UP YOUR DIET AND LET US SEE IT. That way we could further help you. Ill be waiting!....RESPECT!...

[newbie-screwbie]

Originally Posted by topherhinton

Your wife is a dietician ,please prove me wrong and post your diet either here or in the diet section. In my experiences dietician dont know shit about getting someone shredded!! Not to say your wife doesnt im just saying from your pics,my first words of advice are DIET .DO NOT USE ANY GEAR YET ! POST UP YOUR DIET AND LET US SEE IT. That way we could further help you. Ill be waiting!....RESPECT!...

Dude...thank you soooooo freakin much...you have no clue how u just helped me....1st Im definately not lying about my wife. Secondly my wife takes HUGE offense when i try to go outside what she say vesus what a trainer or a guy such as yourself says, She really gets pissed. I tell her all the time ( not knowing i was actually right until now ) Well maybe what you are saying isnt right as far as muscle building goes. 1 example..she gives me a ton of grief about taking a Protein shake after workout..she says 60 g of protein is taxin on your liver and isnt good an dont do it! EVERYONE i talk to says BS. I know shes good at her job but her job is to make old people gain weight and feel better. Not build muscle.

Post my diet???? lmao! Ok....How about I talk to a trainer then post that one!

Thanks, i needed that!

[**TOP**]

AHAHAHA we found the culprit to your problem!! Go ahead and post it or if you dont want to post it feel free to pm me. When i saw this post i couldnt wait to get my hands on it!! Your wife with all do respect does the job she was taught to do, to keep people "AVERAGE" you dont wanna be average! Dieticians have a hard time comprehending pre contest diet,because it goes against everything they have been taught. As far as the protein goes with the kidneys this is very false there arent any scientific studies that ive personally seen that say this. Musclescience may have a study or possibly Merc but im sure they would back me up. If you want optimal results stick with your PWO shake!! PLEASE i beg of you do not use the AAS,let me or someone correct your diet and get in on track before you do something deemed stupid and irresponsible!...TOPHER

[newbie-screwbie]

Originally Posted by topherhinton

AHAHAHA we found the culprit to your problem!! Go ahead and post it or if you dont want to post it feel free to pm me. When i saw this post i couldnt wait to get my hands on it!! Your wife with all do respect does the job she was taught to do, to keep people "AVERAGE" you dont wanna be average! Dieticians have a hard time comprehending pre contest diet,because it goes against everything they have been taught. As far as the protein goes with the kidneys this is very false there arent any scientific studies that ive personally seen that say this. Musclescience may have a study or possibly Merc but im sure they would back me up. If you want optimal results stick with your PWO shake!! PLEASE i beg of you do not use the AAS,let me or someone correct your diet and get in on track before you do something deemed stupid and irresponsible!...TOPHER

I will listen to your advise for sure and i will post my diet. im actually scared of gear so saying no isnt hard for me. its just frustrating that Im strong as an ox but im not losing the fat i want to lose.

Thanks for your help and I will be looking to you for more help soon.

[newbie-screwbie]

Originally Posted by topherhinton

AHAHAHA we found the culprit to your problem!! Go ahead and post it or if you dont want to post it feel free to pm me. When i saw this post i couldnt wait to get my hands on it!! Your wife with all do respect does the job she was taught to do, to keep people "AVERAGE" you dont wanna be average! Dieticians have a hard time comprehending pre contest diet,because it goes against everything they have been taught. As far as the protein goes with the kidneys this is very false there arent any scientific studies that ive personally seen that say this. Musclescience may have a study or possibly Merc but im sure they would back me up. If you want optimal results stick with your PWO shake!! PLEASE i beg of you do not use the AAS,let me or someone correct your diet and get in on track before you do something deemed stupid and irresponsible!...TOPHER

Just curious, Why couldnt you wait to get your hands on this post? Why is that?

Thanks

[**TOP**]

Originally Posted by newbie-screwbie

Just curious, Why couldnt you wait to get your hands on this post? Why is that?

Thanks

HAHA because after seeing your pics and you said your diet was fine because your wife was a dietician, i thought different! And i was right!! And the workingout has hardly anything to do with your weight loss! DIET and only diet will dictate where you go! Even with taking gear if your diets not good you wont get the results you are looking for! I have never used AAS ive always relied on diet,im a lifetime natural this is me!


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=399302

[newbie-screwbie]

Originally Posted by topherhinton

HAHA because after seeing your pics and you said your diet was fine because your wife was a dietician, i thought different! And i was right!! And the workingout has hardly anything to do with your weight loss! DIET and only diet will dictate where you go! Even with taking gear if your diets not good you wont get the results you are looking for! I have never used AAS ive always relied on diet,im a lifetime natural this is me!


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=399302

Ok I have only been lifting for 6 months. I agree and have suspected that my diet wasnt real good. I have been reading and learning and I agree with you. It seems by your post that you have considered gear also? I honestly dont think I will ever do it. Even when I get my body fat down. I have to realize that diet is my main obstacle. I work out very hard and i dont feel im getting the results i want....although i was 252 6 months ago and i have made some real good gains in weight loss. i will be posting a diet soon and I t would be nice if you could critique.

Thanks

[newbie-screwbie]

Originally Posted by topherhinton

HAHA because after seeing your pics and you said your diet was fine because your wife was a dietician, i thought different! And i was right!! And the workingout has hardly anything to do with your weight loss! DIET and only diet will dictate where you go! Even with taking gear if your diets not good you wont get the results you are looking for! I have never used AAS ive always relied on diet,im a lifetime natural this is me!


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=399302

ok.............

[Okinawa_Power]

I am in the same boat you are in......That is where my fat likes to stick around. Top is really good with Diets so you may want to listen to him. Maybe because you are used to playing B-Ball that is why you are not losing the weight, or maybe you are not running as fast as you think you are. If I were you and you are serious about losing your gut I would begin cardio at least 6 days a week two 30-45 minute sessions. Just my .02

[Noles12]

Originally Posted by warchild

change up your workouts to 5 days a week
mon-shoulders
tues-chest
wend-legs
thurs-arms
fri-back
toss in cardio 30-45 3x aweek and abs and get a good diet in check

I dont like this workout at all. shoulders and chest are too close together and arms and back are too. You have to have ample rest between the use of your muscle

[newbie-screwbie]

Originally Posted by Okinawa_Power

I am in the same boat you are in......That is where my fat likes to stick around. Top is really good with Diets so you may want to listen to him. Maybe because you are used to playing B-Ball that is why you are not losing the weight, or maybe you are not running as fast as you think you are. If I were you and you are serious about losing your gut I would begin cardio at least 6 days a week two 30-45 minute sessions. Just my .02

ok......i will definately up the cardio, you suggest cardio after the work out?

[newbie-screwbie]

Originally Posted by Okinawa_Power

I am in the same boat you are in......That is where my fat likes to stick around. Top is really good with Diets so you may want to listen to him. Maybe because you are used to playing B-Ball that is why you are not losing the weight, or maybe you are not running as fast as you think you are. If I were you and you are serious about losing your gut I would begin cardio at least 6 days a week two 30-45 minute sessions. Just my .02

Whan are you doing your cardio? I always heard cardio after lifting wasnt a good thing? When do you do the cardio. Cardio x 2 and lift? When do u get that in?

[Okinawa_Power]

Originally Posted by newbie-screwbie

Whan are you doing your cardio? I always heard cardio after lifting wasnt a good thing? When do you do the cardio. Cardio x 2 and lift? When do u get that in?

I do 30 min in the morning and then about 2 hours after I work out I get my other 30 min in. Of course I am bulking right now so **** cardio......

[**TOP**]

Originally Posted by newbie-screwbie

Whan are you doing your cardio? I always heard cardio after lifting wasnt a good thing? When do you do the cardio. Cardio x 2 and lift? When do u get that in?

Simply not true. That is one of the best times to due cardio due to the fact your glycogen stores have been used already from the weightroom.That way when you start on the treadmill its easier to tap inton bodyfat for a fuel source. Make sense?

[Okinawa_Power]

Originally Posted by topherhinton

Simply not true. That is one of the best times to due cardio due to the fact your glycogen stores have been used already from the weightroom.That way when you start on the treadmill its easier to tap inton bodyfat for a fuel source. Make sense?

Top you are a freaking diet guru!!!!!!

[newbie-screwbie]

Originally Posted by topherhinton

Simply not true. That is one of the best times to due cardio due to the fact your glycogen stores have been used already from the weightroom.That way when you start on the treadmill its easier to tap inton bodyfat for a fuel source. Make sense?

I will try this as it is the only time that i would actualy have time 2 do cardio 2 times per day. I just read a book by Lorenzo Cornacchia that says the exact opposite. Im trying to learn everything i can and to be honest im confused as hell. One person says one thing another person says a completely diffferent thing..Just like the on an empty stomach or not cardiio? I am about to say hell with and get fat...errrr Fatter again!

[**TOP**]

Originally Posted by newbie-screwbie

I will try this as it is the only time that i would actualy have time 2 do cardio 2 times per day. I just read a book by Lorenzo Cornacchia that says the exact opposite. Im trying to learn everything i can and to be honest im confused as hell. One person says one thing another person says a completely diffferent thing..Just like the on an empty stomach or not cardiio? I am about to say hell with and get fat...errrr Fatter again!

Newbie screwbie,what is Lorenzo Cornacchia's reasoning for his theory? Ive not run acroos anyone that has challenged this,so im curious to know what he is saying? Cardio gets thought about to much in my opinion! People need to just keep it simple,doing the cardio is more important than when to do cardio. Also people are scared of cardio thinking they are going to eat too much musle tissue! JUST DO THE CARDIO WHEN IT FITS YOUR SCHEDULE!

[newbie-screwbie]

Originally Posted by topherhinton

Newbie screwbie,what is Lorenzo Cornacchia's reasoning for his theory? Ive not run acroos anyone that has challenged this,so im curious to know what he is saying? Cardio gets thought about to much in my opinion! People need to just keep it simple,doing the cardio is more important than when to do cardio. Also people are scared of cardio thinking they are going to eat too much musle tissue! JUST DO THE CARDIO WHEN IT FITS YOUR SCHEDULE!

The book is called " Serious Strength Training " second edition. I will read and get details. My wife says the same thing you did. She also says running or cardio on an empy stomach in the am after waking is best....I will be starting a morning run for around 30 min in the AM before work! . But that debate goes on about the empty stomach cardio....

[newbie-screwbie]

Originally Posted by topherhinton

Newbie screwbie,what is Lorenzo Cornacchia's reasoning for his theory? Ive not run acroos anyone that has challenged this,so im curious to know what he is saying? Cardio gets thought about to much in my opinion! People need to just keep it simple,doing the cardio is more important than when to do cardio. Also people are scared of cardio thinking they are going to eat too much musle tissue! JUST DO THE CARDIO WHEN IT FITS YOUR SCHEDULE!

Not worried about eating muscle, I just want to get my body fat down.

[lovbyts]

As far as the wife is concerned I would just say look honey, it isnt working!!!! It's obvious in the mirror that she doesnt know everything but hopefully she is still willing to learn.

Also I agree with doing the 5x one muscle group. I worked out for years before laying off for more years due to injury (non related to working out)

I have very little gains/results or at least compared to now. The first 6 months I did what I knew then after some reading here I started doing 5x a week but only 1 muscle group a day. OMG what a difference...

You have been given some good advise above not make use of it.

[newbie-screwbie]

1 muscle a day is what im hearing, But what I am not hearing is why? Should I do more sets per muscle than the 3-5 sets per muscle that i do now? I do several sets on back and shoulders, should I add more? What are the advantages for me doing 1 muscle a day? Thanks.

[newbie-screwbie]

Lost 4 lbs in 4 days....Help ...what do you think with this diet! Added the suggested cardio. Thanks! Im at my lowest weight in years. Will keep posting.

DIET: What i ate yesterday
MEAL 1: 6 WHOLE EGGS
MEAL 2: 8 OZ CHICKEN, 1 TBSP NATTY PB
MEAL 3: 8OZ CHICKEN 1 TBSP NATTY PB
MEAL 4: 50G WHEY ISO, 1 TBSP NATTY PB
MEAL 5: 6 OZ SIRLOIN, GREENS SALAD WITH 1 TBSP OLIVE OIL ,Broccoli
MEAL 6: 8OZ CHICKEN, 1 TBSP NATTY PB

Workout after meal 5 and PWO protein 60 grams.

Will be swapping fish for chicken on alternate days.

[newbie-screwbie]

Originally Posted by lovbyts

As far as the wife is concerned I would just say look honey, it isnt working!!!! It's obvious in the mirror that she doesnt know everything but hopefully she is still willing to learn.

Also I agree with doing the 5x one muscle group. I worked out for years before laying off for more years due to injury (non related to working out)

I have very little gains/results or at least compared to now. The first 6 months I did what I knew then after some reading here I started doing 5x a week but only 1 muscle group a day. OMG what a difference...

You have been given some good advise above not make use of it.

Can i have you call her??? Lol!

[newbie-screwbie]

[lovbyts]

Dont worry about working on any one thing. Just stick with one muscle group a day and do you best each day. Yes do cardio at least 3x a day also. OK Ill call her, what's her number LOL Im lucky, my girl wants to read and learn from this site so she can help me with my diet.

Here is some light reading one why one muscle group works and how to work it, how many sets and everything.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4713823

[newbie-screwbie]

Thanks for the link. 3 times a day for cardio? Who the hell has time for that? 2 times a day is what I have been doing for the last 3 days. Hard enough to manage that? I have lost 30 lbs my UNEDUCATED way. But I just cant shake or swap these last 10-15 pounds. I think I have gotten down as far as my knowledge will take me and Im really looking for some help.....SO MANY THEORIES.

[newbie-screwbie]

Ohhh crap...im jacked....is that an ab i see in my 2nd pic??? Look at the top of the abs? Is that an ab peeking through? Cmon someone tell me that is what Im seeing???? Lmao!

[Okinawa_Power]

Originally Posted by newbie-screwbie

Ohhh crap...im jacked....is that an ab i see in my 2nd pic??? Look at the top of the abs? Is that an ab peeking through? Cmon someone tell me that is what Im seeing???? Lmao!

LMFAO!!! You sound like me when I could finally see my two top abs.......Hard work pays off!!! Looking good!!

[newbie-screwbie]

I dont know if its really an ab...i sure someone will bust my bubble!!!! lol!

[Canadream]

You don't have much a gut to be honest,,,,,would not take long with a little Test E say 250mg a week and cardio and a good diet that you can stick to...

MEAL #1
2 whole (*****-3) Eggs with 6 egg whites

MEAL #2
35g Whey protein Isolate with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter

MEAL #3
6oz chicken (ostrich, or turkey) with 1/4-cup (1oz) cashew nuts, or almonds, or walnuts (vary it)

MEAL #4
5oz salmon, swordfish, or RED MEAT with a green salad (no tomatoes, red peppers, or carrots) with 1 tablespoon of Olive Oil or Mac Nut Oil and vinegar

MEAL #5
35g Whey Protein Isolate with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter or 2 whole (*****-3) EGGS with 6 whites

**** You should have a cheat meal once per week (in place of meal #5).

[newbie-screwbie]

Thanks man, Im doing cardio 2 times a day per advice on here. I posted what i have been eating as of late. I actually lost 4 lbs in those first 3 days of doing the cardio 2x a day. My whole problem is finding a good weight loss diet....im getting some good advice on here that im trying to put to good use. Thanks to toperhinton and Okinowa for taking time to help me out a lil.
Thanks.

[newbie-screwbie]

Originally Posted by Canadream

You don't have much a gut to be honest,,,,,would not take long with a little Test E say 250mg a week and cardio and a good diet that you can stick to...

MEAL #1
2 whole (*****-3) Eggs with 6 egg whites..WHATS UP WITH THE STARS BEFORE THE WORD EGGS?
MEAL #2
35g Whey protein Isolate with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter

MEAL #3
6oz chicken (ostrich, or turkey) with 1/4-cup (1oz) cashew nuts, or almonds, or walnuts (vary it)

MEAL #4
5oz salmon, swordfish, or RED MEAT with a green salad (no tomatoes, red peppers, or carrots) with 1 tablespoon of Olive Oil or Mac Nut Oil and vinegar...How do you eat olive oil? Why do youu eat olive oil? You eat it straight from bottle? Why not carrots or peppers?
MEAL #5
35g Whey Protein Isolate with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter or 2 whole (*****-3) EGGS with 6 whites...Eggs again?

When is your workout placed in this schedule?
**** You should have a cheat meal once per week (in place of meal #5).

Thanks ......

[TheUglyOne]

im sure LIT a.m. cardio and LIT after workout is all u need each day.

im watching this thread,it def helps answer some interesting points. hoping someone chimes in why 1 muscle group per day is better than a chest/tri back/bi split for fat loss as well.

im down 36 pounds in the last 3.5 months. and have been following a chest/tri back/bi leg/should 4-5 times a week with success (of course with a diet i wouldnt wish on my worst enemys) 3 sets 12-15 reps 4 exercises per group for compound movements and 3 sets 12-15 reps 2 exercises non-compound.

after a few months of this i felt my workouts would go to long(1.5 hours at times) and i was able to do more per group per my str and endurance going up. so i switched to a one a day muscle plan, 5 times a week, for more intensity. to my understanding high intensity(heavy weight low reps 8-10) counteracts high rep theorys for fat loss from what i read. since intensity burns calories too. wouldnt mind clarification on this..

i just recently switched to a 5 set 8-10 rep 5 exercises for compound movements (with the exception of arm day 3 exercises bi/tri each) my main reason to switch was to stimulate GH and to focus on training a group harder with the extra energy i had. since i believe GH to promote fat loss from what i was researching.

dunno if i helps but when i did the numbers the other day of total reps. they were nearly the same. basically the 5 sets 8-10 reps 5-6 total exercises= more total reps than 3 sets 12-15 reps 4-6 exercises. but i just recently switched to this. so i cant really gauge any fat loss progress as of yet.

hope this helps. i had similar questions as u. not trying to hijack.


p.s. when zooming in i think i saw an ab. good work!

[newbie-screwbie]

You had to zoom??? LOL. Thanks. It does sound as if you have similar questions as I do about why 5 day a week, 1 body part would be better for me? If you find out shoot me a PM.

Thanks.