Start of my S4 with DS Log

[Okinawa_Power]

Hello all I have gotten the supplements that I wanted and today I started my S4 and DS cycle. I plan on running this cycle for four weeks:

S4: 50/50/50/50
E-Stane: 2 Caps/3Caps/3Caps/4Caps
X-Tren: 2Caps/3Caps/3Caps/4Caps

Based upon my sides I will either go up or go down. This stack is the same as SPAWN and I had great results with SPAWN. I am using S4 to help me with joint pain that comes with gaining extra strength....I will update everyday........Wish me luck......

[charlesriley]

good luck and i would appreciate any pm's about this cycle

[liftsmore]

Excellent, another log.

So you are cycling sarms for a month?

[bass]

great, give it 10 days or so to feel the effects on the joints, also take joint support supplements as well...good luck bro...

[endus]

good luck. Looking forward to your experience. I've started mine on Halloween (10/31) and hopefully I'll have something to report in another week or so.

[Okinawa_Power]

I forgot to give you my stats:

5'7"
202 as of this morning
BF: 11%

I am looking forward to keeping this log as detailed as possible.

I am gonig to split the dosage up 25mg in the morning and 25mg before I work out. Does this sound good? Bass please let me know. Thanks...

[bass]

what’s this, now i am the expert on SARMs? LOL...

if i am not mistaking, muscle grow while you are resting, so a dose after workout is a good idea, that’s what i did anyway...this is all new, i am sure there are better ways to cycle it but time and more guinea pigs like us will help achieve the optimal usage of S4...

[Okinawa_Power]

Originally Posted by bass

what’s this, now i am the expert on SARMs? LOL...

if i am not mistaking, muscle grow while you are resting, so a dose after workout is a good idea, that’s what i did anyway...this is all new, i am sure there are better ways to cycle it but time and more guinea pigs like us will help achieve the optimal usage of S4...

Yes you are Bass. Because if your detailed log on S4 you should be made a moderator for this section!!! I will start taking it in the morning and then after I work out. Thanks for the advice. OKP

[Okinawa_Power]

Today was my second dose of my supps that I am taking. Of course I have felt no different because it was only day one. Only side that I have is a serious headache since I started taking my supps. I am drinking a lot of water. I am trying to "bulk" so I am eating like a freaking Pig....Clean though......I know the the E-Stane and X-Tren will take about 7 days to kick in....I don't know how long before the S4 kicks in....Bass has told me 10 days for me to feel the affects of S4 on my joints so that is a good thing because that is when I will need it best. I will be posting everyday.....Keep coming back for updates.....

Note: If you want to see my before pictures go to Members Pictures. Those pictures were taken 3 weeks ago while I was dieting........I will post pictures everyweek to see my progress.....Wish me luck.......Let's all get ****ing huge!!!!!!

[bass]

holy shit Okinawa, you look huge dude! here is the link to your photos in case its hard to find,

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=405065

i can't wait to see your end results...and good luck with your cycle.

[endus]

Holy crap, I'm definitely not posting my picture. I was already self conscious and your pics made me look like big fat pig

[Okinawa_Power]

Originally Posted by bass

holy shit Okinawa, you look huge dude! here is the link to your photos in case its hard to find,

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=405065

i can't wait to see your end results...and good luck with your cycle.

Originally Posted by endus

Holy crap, I'm definitely not posting my picture. I was already self conscious and your pics made me look like big fat pig

Thank you both for your comments. I will post a picture next Wednesday so we can start comparing to my current pictures.

Endus post your pictures brother!!!! I am not the leanest guy on the block that is for sure.....Just trying to get big is all.....

[**TOP**]

I subscribed to your thread big O Hopefully you will gain 900 lbs of lean mass and your squat will go up 6,000 lbs!!! hahaha TOP

[liftsmore]

Your 'before' pics look better than most people's 'after' pics.

So you will continue to diet while on the sarms cycle?

[Okinawa_Power]

Originally Posted by topherhinton

I subscribed to your thread big O Hopefully you will gain 900 lbs of lean mass and your squat will go up 6,000 lbs!!! hahaha TOP

LMFAO!! Top you are to damn funny!!! 900LBS huh? Wow, I might be able to compete in Mr. Olympia with that weight!!!!! You should start a log also!!!!!

[Okinawa_Power]

Hello All......

Day 3 of my cycle and feel a bit more pumped this morning than I have since finishing my diet. Seems I am getting more vascular also....Viens coming in through my chest and my shoulders that were not there before. This is my diet so far since starting bulk:

0530: 60gms Protein Shake/Tren/Stane/25ml S4
0730: 12 Eggs 8 whites/4 with yolk, 6oz Chicken Breast
1030: 14oz Beef (NY Strip Steak) w/Vegs
1230: 2 Large Hamburgers with fries no salt (Hey I can cheat)
1430: 6 oz Chicken Breast w/Vegs
1730: 60gms Protein Shake/BCAA's/Tren/Stane
1730-1930: Lifting some heavy ass weights!!!!!
1945: 60gms Protein Shake/BCAA's/25ml S4
2000: 1/2 Chicken (Rostessary) w/potatoes/vegs
2200: 5 Turkey sandwiches w/ 5 slices per sandwich
2300: 120gms Protein Shake

This is what I eat yesterday and will continue like this thoughout my cycle. I have put on 3lbs since starting (From the amount of food) I plan to get to 225lbs this cycle.........We shall see.......

[bass]

holy shit, eating like that you'll be a monster when you are done! i know its probably too soon, but do you feel any difference in your joints, any improvement?

[**TOP**]

Originally Posted by Okinawa_Power

Hello All......

Day 3 of my cycle and feel a bit more pumped this morning than I have since finishing my diet. Seems I am getting more vascular also....Viens coming in through my chest and my shoulders that were not there before. This is my diet so far since starting bulk:

0530: 60gms Protein Shake/Tren/Stane/25ml S4
0730: 12 Eggs 8 whites/4 with yolk, 6oz Chicken Breast If you are open for critique i would say add some carbs here earlier in your day.
1030: 14oz Beef (NY Strip Steak) w/Vegs
1230: 2 Large Hamburgers with fries no salt (Hey I can cheat)
1430: 6 oz Chicken Breast w/Vegs
1730: 60gms Protein Shake/BCAA's/Tren/Stane
1730-1930: Lifting some heavy ass weights!!!!! add the BCAAs while working out instead of in conjunction with the shake,that way they do what they are made to do!
1945: 60gms Protein Shake/BCAA's/25ml S4
2000: 1/2 Chicken (Rostessary) w/potatoes/vegs
2200: 5 Turkey sandwiches w/ 5 slices per sandwich Dats alot O bread!2300: 120gms Protein Shake
You thought about fats? fish oils?
This is what I eat yesterday and will continue like this thoughout my cycle. I have put on 3lbs since starting (From the amount of food) I plan to get to 225lbs this cycle.........We shall see.......

You didnt ask me but im watchinout for my boyyyy cuz he watches out fo me! TOP

[Okinawa_Power]

Originally Posted by topherhinton

You didnt ask me but im watchinout for my boyyyy cuz he watches out fo me! TOP

Thanks for looking out Top!!! I will add Oatmeal to my first meal of the day. I know that is a lot of bread.....Should I just add more meat to each slice? As for the fats will flaxseed oil surfice or should I go buy some fish oil? Thanks again Top!!!

[Okinawa_Power]

Originally Posted by bass

holy shit, eating like that you'll be a monster when you are done! i know its probably too soon, but do you feel any difference in your joints, any improvement?

Bass I have felt a better improvement in my joints. I didn't want to say anything because of the short amount of time, however when I lifted heavy yesterday I didn't get the same pain in my elbow that I usually do. By the way I did back......Thanks for asking and for your input!!!!

[Okinawa_Power]

Originally Posted by topherhinton

You didnt ask me but im watchinout for my boyyyy cuz he watches out fo me! TOP

Sorry Top one more question. Are you saying I should take the BCAA's during my workout instead of before? That does make more sense!!!! Should I continue to take them after my workout as well? Thanks!!!

[**TOP**]

Originally Posted by Okinawa_Power

Thanks for looking out Top!!! I will add Oatmeal to my first meal of the day. I know that is a lot of bread.....Should I just add more meat to each slice? As for the fats will flaxseed oil surfice or should I go buy some fish oil? Thanks again Top!!!

Personally i would eliminate the bread toatally. But if you must keep it then make 2-3 sand. instead of 5 .It would actually be better IMO to have the turkey with 2 tbs natty peanut butter. This way your calories and energy stay up higher without the unwanted bread! Also i would splurge on the fish oil due to its wonderful blood pressure reduction properties,because im sure B.P. is a side on what you are taking.

Originally Posted by Okinawa_Power

Sorry Top one more question. Are you saying I should take the BCAA's during my workout instead of before? That does make more sense!!!! Should I continue to take them after my workout as well? Thanks!!!

Im saying its optimal to take the BCAAs alone and seperate from the protein shake. The BCAAs are a individual chain of nutrients than when sent into battle alone quickly destroy the enemy without being slown down by its successor,"the protein shake" Does that make any sense? Whts the point in buying the BCAAs seperated if you are just gonna put them back in? So drink them while training that way they will be alone then when done training drink the shake!

[Okinawa_Power]

Originally Posted by topherhinton

Personally i would eliminate the bread toatally. But if you must keep it then make 2-3 sand. instead of 5 .It would actually be better IMO to have the turkey with 2 tbs natty peanut butter. This way your calories and energy stay up higher without the unwanted bread! Also i would splurge on the fish oil due to its wonderful blood pressure reduction properties,because im sure B.P. is a side on what you are taking.

Top Bread will be eliminated....I will go and buy some fish oil and stop being cheap



Im saying its optimal to take the BCAAs alone and seperate from the protein shake. The BCAAs are a individual chain of nutrients than when sent into battle alone quickly destroy the enemy without being slown down by its successor,"the protein shake" Does that make any sense? Whts the point in buying the BCAAs seperated if you are just gonna put them back in? So drink them while training that way they will be alone then when done training drink the shake!

I will ingest my BCAA's during my work out!!!! Thanks again brother!!!!

[Okinawa_Power]

Originally Posted by liftsmore

Your 'before' pics look better than most people's 'after' pics.

So you will continue to diet while on the sarms cycle?

liftsmore, sorry I missed your post!! Thanks for the comments....Nah i'm not dieting while on the cycle I am trying to gain an additional 20-25lbs of weight, however I am trying to keep it LBM and not fat. I am eating like a horse and trying to eat a "little" clean....My friend Top is going to keep me in check.....I will more than likely bulk until March and then diet for 3 months until end of Jun.....I might...big might compete in a local show next year....But Top really has to plan my diet for me so I can get ripped like him!!!!!!!!!!

[Okinawa_Power]

Been taking my S4 as soon as I wake up along with Tren/Stane and then after I work out based on Bass's advice (Thanks)....I did my leg workout today:

Front Squats: 135 X 12, 225 X 8, 225 X 8
Back Squats: 225 x 12, 315 x 10, 315 x 10
Hack Squats: 2 Plates x 10, 3 Plates x 8, 4 Plates x 6

Reverse Leg Curls: 90 x 10, 110 x 8, 110 x 8
Lying Leg Curls: 100 x 10, 120 x 8, 140 x 6
Stiff Leg DL's: 135 x 10, 225 x 10, 225 x 10, 225 x 10

I felt really tired today so I didn't go heavy....Don't know if it is the Tren/Stane or just because I worked out this morning and not the afternoon. I work out around 1730 the rest of the week........I only had 2 meals in me before working out.......I usually have 5 meals in me.........Live and learn...Never again......

If you want me to I can post what I am eating everyday???? Let me know.......
No bad sides so far.......To early anyway......

Good Sides are I have went from 202 to 209 as of today......I feel like I am gaining some fat around my midsection already....Maybe because of the amount of food I am eating.......

Should I be doing at least 30 minutes of Cardio even though I am doing a bulking cycle? Top please chime in....Thanks.......

[**TOP**]

Originally Posted by Okinawa_Power

liftsmore, sorry I missed your post!! Thanks for the comments....Nah i'm not dieting while on the cycle I am trying to gain an additional 20-25lbs of weight, however I am trying to keep it LBM and not fat. I am eating like a horse and trying to eat a "little" clean....My friend Top is going to keep me in check.....I will more than likely bulk until March and then diet for 3 months until end of Jun.....I might...big might compete in a local show next year....But Top really has to plan my diet for me so I can get ripped like him!!!!!!!!!!

Fashizzl!!!!

Originally Posted by Okinawa_Power

Been taking my S4 as soon as I wake up along with Tren/Stane and then after I work out based on Bass's advice (Thanks)....I did my leg workout today:

Front Squats: 135 X 12, 225 X 8, 225 X 8
Back Squats: 225 x 12, 315 x 10, 315 x 10
Hack Squats: 2 Plates x 10, 3 Plates x 8, 4 Plates x 6

Reverse Leg Curls: 90 x 10, 110 x 8, 110 x 8
Lying Leg Curls: 100 x 10, 120 x 8, 140 x 6
Stiff Leg DL's: 135 x 10, 225 x 10, 225 x 10, 225 x 10

I felt really tired today so I didn't go heavy....Don't know if it is the Tren/Stane or just because I worked out this morning and not the afternoon. I work out around 1730 the rest of the week........I only had 2 meals in me before working out.......I usually have 5 meals in me.........Live and learn...Never again......

If you want me to I can post what I am eating everyday???? Let me know....... What did you eat for those first 2 meals?No bad sides so far.......To early anyway......

Good Sides are I have went from 202 to 209 as of today......I feel like I am gaining some fat around my midsection already....Maybe because of the amount of food I am eating.......

Should I be doing at least 30 minutes of Cardio even though I am doing a bulking cycle? Top please chime in....Thanks.......

This is a personal choice! Ive been around 225 before and when i have to cut pre contest it takes so much effort to lose the fat i feel as if the muscle i gained is being sacrificed. I dont beleive in "off season bulk" anymore .on any give day during the year im cut,always, no exceptions! The reason why is if there is a modeling job or something that comes up im able to hit my target within 4 weeks and not the needed 16 weeks i used to need for contest. Im sure Fireguy would probably say the same,if you are gonna compete naturally its IMO to try and stay as lean as possible during the "off season" we can not diet down as far as an AAS user. As far as cardio goes i wouldnt do that i would just make the adjustments to the diet,like your 500 turkey sands. at night lol! And clean everything else as needed.....TOP

[Okinawa_Power]

Top first 2 meals were as follows:

0730: 60gms Protein Shake (I don't count this as a meal)
1030: 3 Cups Oatmeal with 8 eggs 5 whites/3 w/Yokes
1230: 1/2 Pound Chicken Breast w/Macro Salad
1330: Hit the gym

I felt like total shit in the gym......

As I am writing this I just ate my last meal of the day which was 1 Pound of chicken with 4 table spoons of PB.

By the way TOP I am feeling like a fat ****ing turd!!!!!

I will not do cardio until I start dieting in March........Top I will send you what I eat everyweek if you can check it out for me. Thanks again Brother!!

By the way TOP my wife said you look really good in your pictures that you posted awile back!!!!! You big hunk of a man!!!!! LOL!!!!

[Dont wanna be old]

I have to say , you are a monster in your pics . Look great .

I don't see much for fiber in your diet .
I suggest some fiber powder added to protein shakes .
If you feel fat , its not your body fat , Its the food your carrying .

If you are tired of the tasteless meals , lacking condiments . Think about avocado slices or hummus . Calories with good fats that add flavor .

Replacing a meat with vegetarian beans will also slim waistline . Still getting protein and added fiber to push out digested foods .

I don't believe you had asked for my advice . I saw you posted feeling fat and sluggish .
I know increased calories , increase intestinal stress . If your pushing heavy weights . works better on light feet .

Good luck and keep going !

[**TOP**]

Originally Posted by Okinawa_Power

Top first 2 meals were as follows:

0730: 60gms Protein Shake (I don't count this as a meal) I count them as meals,they are macros,dont sell out the shakes for they are great helpers!1030:
3 Cups Oatmeal with 8 eggs 5 whites/3 w/Yokes That alot of oatmeal,do you feel bloated after ingestion? Thats around 160 carbs .
1230: 1/2 Pound Chicken Breast w/Macro Salad
1330: Hit the gym

I felt like total shit in the gym......

As I am writing this I just ate my last meal of the day which was 1 Pound of chicken with 4 table spoons of PB. 4 tbs p.b. that 400 cals right there! Is it natural or other?
By the way TOP I am feeling like a fat ****ing turd!!!!!

I will not do cardio until I start dieting in March........Top I will send you what I eat everyweek if you can check it out for me. Thanks again Brother!!No prob,just send me your info and ill adjust it for you!
By the way TOP my wife said you look really good in your pictures that you posted awile back!!!!! You big hunk of a man!!!!! LOL!!!!

HAHA tell her thanks and ill be posting some in the near future that will blow everyone away!! The new transformation is top secret classified! lol

[Okinawa_Power]

Been taking my S4 in the morning and after I work out. Today I worked Arms....Felt really strong.....Did the following:

Cable extensions 90 x 10, 120 x 10, 155 x 8
Skull Crushers w/straight bar: 70 x 12, 90 x 10, 110 x 12 super set with close grip did 10 Reps each weight after I was done with skulls
DB Extensions: 70 x 15, 105 x 10, 120 x 8, 140 x 6
Cable Pushdowns: Went up to 170 starting at 110 with 12 reps each set
Machine Dips: 200 x 12, 250 x 10, 280 x 8 with last set going down to 110 for 25 reps

Straight bar curls: 45 x 15, 65 x 12, 85 x 10, 110 x 6
EZ Bar Preacher Curls super set with DB Preacher: Weight went up to 75 on camber with 4 sets with reps in the 10-12 range, with a 20lb DB for 10 more reps each arm
Alternate DB Curls (Standing) 35 x 10, 45 x 10, 50 x 8
Machine Curls: This machine focuses on the peak of your bicept so I start with 20lbs and work my way up to 60 going to failure
Hammer Curls: Start with 35 and work my way up to 60 with the reps being 10-12 4 sets
Cable reverse Curls: Start with 55 and go up to 120 with reps being 10-12 4 sets

Calves:
Standing calve raises: 135 x 25, 225 x 20, 315 x 15, 405 x 15, 495 x 10 final set doing drop sets to failure
Seated calve raises: 90lbs 5 sets each to failure.

I felt really good today. I have to mention the vision problem also with S4 at night it is really bad, I can't see to the sides....Other then that there have been no sides. My Tren/Stane is finally kicking in and I expect it to be at 100% by next week. I am still taking only 2 caps a day of each. I will move to 3 caps a day next Wednesday........That is all for now.......Thanks for reading.....

[bass]

i am exhausted just reading your routines! how long were you in the gym?

[Okinawa_Power]

Originally Posted by bass

i am exhausted just reading your routines! how long were you in the gym?

Bass I am only in the gym for about an hour and a half. I have stopped taking 3 minute breaks between sets and moved it down to 1 1/2 minutes.

[Okinawa_Power]

Originally Posted by Dont wanna be old

I have to say , you are a monster in your pics . Look great .

I don't see much for fiber in your diet .
I suggest some fiber powder added to protein shakes .
If you feel fat , its not your body fat , Its the food your carrying .

If you are tired of the tasteless meals , lacking condiments . Think about avocado slices or hummus . Calories with good fats that add flavor .

Replacing a meat with vegetarian beans will also slim waistline . Still getting protein and added fiber to push out digested foods .

I don't believe you had asked for my advice . I saw you posted feeling fat and sluggish .
I know increased calories , increase intestinal stress . If your pushing heavy weights . works better on light feet .

Good luck and keep going !

Don't wanna be old that is some great advice!! I am going to add about a gram of fiber to my shakes. Thank you for the advice and the comments.

[Okinawa_Power]

Day six went well....I worked Shoulders. I took my S4 with Tren/Stane this morning and I waited until after my workout to take my second dose. Here is my work out:

DB Press: 70 x 10, 80 x 10, 90 x 8
Military Press (To Front) 135 x 15, 225 x 12, 245 x 10
Side Lat Raises: 25 x 15, 35 x 10, 45 x 8

Seated DB Shrugs: 45 x 25, 55 x 20, 70 x 15
Shrugs (Front) 135 x 15, 225 x 20, 315 x 15, 405 x 12
Shrugs (Rear) 135 x 15, 225 x 15, 315 x 12
Upright Rows: 70 x 12, 90 x 10, 110 x 8

I calculated my calorie intake to 4,320 before my last meal for tonight. I will be taking some pictures tomorrow......

Just some thoughts about my Cycle.....I feel myself getting stronger and my joints are not hurting as much as they used too. I like the pumped up look that I have walking around. I am not taking any other supps besides the Tren/Stane/S4 meaning no NO, no Creatine.....I will not even take during PCT because I feel Creatine bloats me when I go to 10mg a day so I stopped taking it. I will write again tomorrow and post some pictures.

[Okinawa_Power]

Hello All....Today I worked Back. I have gone from 2 caps a day to 3 caps a day. S4 dosage has stayed the same 50mg a day. I did the following work out:

BB Bent over row: 135 x 15, 225 x 12, 275 x 8
T-Bar Rows: 2 Plates x 15, 3 Plates x 12, 4 Plates x 10
Pull Downs: 125 x 15, 170 x 10, 225 x 8
Close Grip Pull Downs: 70 x 25, 100 x 20, 125 x 15
Seated Rows (Wide Grip) 90 x 20, 125 x 15, 145 x 10
Deadlifts: 315 x 1, 405 x 1, 425 x 1 (Felt weak on this movement today)

Standing Calve raises: 5 Sets to failure using 225
Seated: 90lbs x 5 sets x to failure.

I have intensified my workouts. Next week I will go lighter for more reps to shock them and to change up my routine. So far I have went from 202 to 209. I am sure I have gained some fat, but that is what happens when you bulk........I am going to take pictures later so you all can see if there are any changes to my body.....Thanks for reading

[Okinawa_Power]

All here are some updated pictures. Let me know what you think.....

[Okinawa_Power]

Here are some more.....It has only been a week.....If you want to see my before pictures go to this link . http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=405065 Thanks again. Critique away......

[elpropiotorvic]

Man honestly props... I was feeling like shit because for the past 8 weeks my diet has been a complete mess, and I was only fitting in one workout a week.... And it wasn't even good.... Now after seeing how my body has deteriorated so fast and seeing how much you have improved I'll be hitting the gym congrats

You are looking awesome, I'm sure u will look damn good when you cut ... Props on the back

[Okinawa_Power]

Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic

Man honestly props... I was feeling like shit because for the past 8 weeks my diet has been a complete mess, and I was only fitting in one workout a week.... And it wasn't even good.... Now after seeing how my body has deteriorated so fast and seeing how much you have improved I'll be hitting the gym congrats

You are looking awesome, I'm sure u will look damn good when you cut ... Props on the back

Elpropiotorvic thanks for the comments!!!! Now get back in that gym and lift some heavy ass weights!!!!! I know you have it in you!!!!

[**TOP**]

Why did you just post pics of jay cutler O ??? ..........LOL lookin good!!