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11-29-2009, 04:20 AM
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Organon Sus 250 Karachi New Manufacturer?
All,
I have a source that I have used 7-8 times who seems very reliable IMHO. He sent me Organon Sus in a previous order, and the product matches pictures I have seen on this forum for Karachi Sus. So I ordered more of it, and the second order I got packaging that looks a little bit different. See attached pictures. The three amps on the right are the Karachi matches (look just like what I have seen on this and other pictuer forums). The three on the left are the new amps, which I cannot find a match for on any forum. My first instinct was that maybe I had been scammed, but I wanted to see what others thought. First of all, there is no Organon ellipse on the new amps. Wouldn't a scammer be smart enough to put an ellipse if they were trying to copy Karachi's? The second issue is the batch number. The batch number on the new amps is 0028. The Karachis have a long batch number (meaning there have been many, many batches of this stuff produced). A new batch from a new manufacturer for Organon? So lets talk about manufacturers for Organon Karachi sustanon. The amps that everyone is familiar with are made by Abbot labs in Karachi, Pakistan. These amps have M/L (Manufactuer License Number?) 000001. The new amps have M/L number: 000024, perhaps an indication of a new manufacturer for Organon Sus? So my instinct is suspicious, but not ready to just toss these amps. I have heard that Organon has multiple manufacturers of this sustanon from Pakistan. The newer amps (on the left) say Pharmatec, which I hear is one of these manufacturers. I would like to know if anyone else has gotten sustanon amps like this? Any luck with them? Anyone know anything that may put my mind at ease? These amps are all equally filled and the packaging looks professional (doesn't look like a cheap knock-off). My leaning today is that maybe these are real, but are in new packaging from a new Organon manufacturer. Anyone have confirmation on this one? Thanks in advance!! 
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#3
11-29-2009, 09:46 AM
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Interesting, cause these amps say OBS on them.
So I am not a photographer, and I know you can't read the text on the amps from my pics, so I'll list off what is written on the amps in case it helps... I had to put my camera in 'Flower Mode' (takes close-ups of flowers, I guess) to even get these. But still the auto focus doesn't make the inscriptions easy to read. In fact, I have trouble reading them with the naked eye. Any advice on how to take better shots of these would be welcome. KNOWN GOOD KARACHI AMPS: After listing 4 esters... Mfg. By : Abbott, Karachi For Organon Pakistan Lic Vertical Inscription Left of Other Text... M. L. No:000001 P. R. No:002446 NEW AMPS IN QUESTION: After listing 4 esters... Mfg. By : Pharmatec, Pakistan (Pvt) Ltd. For: OBS Pakistan (Pvt) Ltd. Mfg. Org. Specs. Vertical Inscription Left of Other Text... M. L. No:000024 Reg. No.:002446 So I am starting to feel less and less like I've been scammed, and more like I may have legit sus in packaging that we may see more of in the future. Everything that I have ordered from this source has been spot on. And futhermore, I just finished my first 10 week cycle and gained 30 lbs from his gear. My bench went up about 100 lbs, and my back broke out a like it did when I was a teenager. I never experienced such great gains before and can't wait to start my next cycle. As for aggression, I noticed that I drove my truck more aggressively than I used to, but I think that the whole 'roid rage' thing is just a bunch of hype. If you can control your temper as a teenager, then you can control your temper taking test (and/or orals). But back to the point about this sustanon. Does anyone have information that may confirm the legitimacy of this sustanon (or draw it into question)? Thanks again...
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#4
11-29-2009, 10:03 AM
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if you trust your source, and you've ordered 7 - 8 times with no problems then you should be good to go.
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#6
11-29-2009, 01:12 PM
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Damn!! Those look amazingly similar to the sus amps that I have!! The difference being that the sus text is yellow. The font looks the same, they both have the same vertical bar to the left of the horizontal text. Furthermore, the text regarding who made it and for whom is identical from your amps to mine. Clearly your deca amps and my sus amps were manufactured at the same facility. And I'm guessing that Mfg. Org. Specs. means manufactured via Organon Specifications. Perhaps this is a generic version that Organon has put out to capture the generic market space? Just a guess, but now I'm sharing the same opinion as you that I am sitting on a rack of good sus!! And this fits the situation, as I do trust this particular source (my #1 for sure).
Id like to post some better pics of my sus so you can see what I am talking about. Any suggestions on how to manipulate the camera so that you can read the text on the side of my amps? Thanks for those pictures!! That REALLY puts my mind at ease!!
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#7
11-29-2009, 01:33 PM
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OK, I got some better pics of these amps. Just had to figure out how to operate my camera.
Note that the text matches that of the Deca amps. Clearly these are made by the same folks. One last thing about my photos. You will notice that one of the amps is a bit shorter than the other. Well, I happened to pick an amp out of the bunch that has a misshapen top to it. I have 20 of these amps, and this is the only one with a weird top to it, and I just happened to grab it when I set up to take these pics. It took me a while to get clean shots of these, so I did not re-take them for this reason alone. Generally speaking, the amps are all the same height (within a reasonable tolerance) and filled the same. Thanks for the information about the Deca. Helps a ton!!
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#12
01-29-2010, 10:09 AM
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This stuff is 100% fake. I would not use it. I just talked to my guy over seas who sends me my orders. He gets it straight from pakistan and he told me it's fake. He said he didn't know, said he was sorry. He said this shit is made in China. This stuff is all going in the garbage.
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#13
01-29-2010, 12:37 PM
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Switch to Omandren Sust. Organon is all fakes! Wish I'd posted what I ran into last year...**** looks like they are making the rounds again. Me and two other guys got some last year...three different size amps....three or four diff expiry dates....all fake...
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#14
01-29-2010, 01:13 PM
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what you run into last year cause also, I myself just received 20 amps of karachis a few days ago and recently posted up my pics on here to see if mine are fake which I beleaved where legit IMHO... but now im startin to think twice  Here's the link http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=417627
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#15
01-30-2010, 09:51 PM
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organon are not all fakes if u have a good source they are not hard to get
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#17
01-31-2010, 09:27 AM
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My source is very reputable and tells me tey are 100% sus. There is no info from anyone that leads me to beleive otherwise. There is only positive feedback from others about these products. I think it is all hearsay. Please somone tell us if you have used these and got no, or crappy results. I have to wait to take em because im still losing some BF% when I do I will post the results probly in 1 month. Then we will know if they are legit! There is little info about Ph**ma**c Sus. on the net so it is very confusing.
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#19
02-10-2010, 03:55 PM
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I just picked these sust up today im pretty sure their bogus after looking at your pics. i notice on mine it doesnt say who they or for. another thing that strikes me is the date 2006-2011 5 year life span doesnt sust normally get printed with 3 years?
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#20
02-15-2010, 04:38 PM
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Hey Shrodinger123 those Kirachi's you posted are 100% legit. I just finished my second week and at 500mg of the same exact amps with S****X EQ and from experience all the normal early body changes are in the process. Be careful were you shoot this stuff it can be pretty painful!
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#21
02-15-2010, 04:58 PM
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#22
02-23-2010, 04:38 PM
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I was wrong...this stuff works good. 3 weeks in and seeing some great results. I have the same amps as the first pic. The amps on the left hand side of the pic.
After listing 4 esters... Mfg. By : Pharmatec, Pakistan (Pvt) Ltd. For: OBS Pakistan (Pvt) Ltd. Mfg. Org. Specs. Vertical Inscription Left of Other Text... M. L. No:000024 Reg. No.:002446 Last edited by UpNorth; 02-23-2010 at 04:43 PM.
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#23
02-24-2010, 10:25 PM
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#24
02-25-2010, 03:55 PM
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Where are you guys getting this stuff? My guy I used to get it from is M.I.A. Somebody please help me out! I'd appreciate it.
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#27
03-26-2010, 10:18 AM
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pramanis, ive got some just like that. im gaining, but you think they are fake???
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#30
04-13-2010, 08:31 AM
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I didn't mean to burst anyone's bubble. But I had two reputable sources and the karachis they were both carrying were fakes.
Maybe its different this year, but I will not be using karachis. Only new omnadrens for me 
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#31
04-13-2010, 08:33 AM
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Are they all the same size. You may have legit product there. Just a 2014 expiry begs questions. 4 years seems lengthy. But I'm no expert on AAS manufacturing so.....
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