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    M1t FAQ

    In this post i am attempting to answer the questions that are frequently asked about m1t to alleviate from many redundant posts about M1T.

    Methyl 1-testosterone , or 17aa-1-testosterone, is the methylated version of the steroid 1-testosterone. This structural modification makes steroids much more orally bioavailable by inhibiting breakdown in the liver. Although it has only been widely available for a short period of time, feedback on this compound indicates that it may be the most effective legal prohormone/steroid product on the market regardless of delivery method, and it is hands down the most effective oral product. On the other hand, most users report a wealth of side effects, and this compound is not to be taken lightly. It does not have a long history of use or a well-established safety profile, and proper precautions should be taken.

    The profile of methyl 1-test is similar to that of 1-test – it does not convert to estrogen, and it is highly anabolic and moderately androgenic (less than 1-test). When compared to orally administered methyltestosterone , methyl 1-test is 910-1600% as anabolic and 100-220% as androgenic.

    The side effects reported by users of methyl 1-test are many and individual reactions vary considerably. The most commonly reported side effect is lethargy, which can range from mild to severe. Other common side effects include increased blood pressure, bloating, joint pains, cramps, mild headaches, insomnia, aggressiveness, and irritability. Many users also find that methyl 1-test decreases appetite, which can be harmful or beneficial depending on one's goals. These side effects can be reduced by lowering dosage or taking smaller doses more frequently. Combining it with another androgen (such as 4-AD) may also help, but feedback on this is limited.

    Another concern with methyl 1-test (and methylated steroids in general) is hepatotoxicity. Although this tends to be exaggerated, it is still prudent to take certain precautions. First and foremost, other substances that are toxic to the liver (such as alcohol) should be avoided to avoid placing extra stress on the liver. If methyl 1-test is stacked, it would be best to stack it with something other than an oral steroid/prohormone, such as a transdermal. Milk thistle, alpha lipoic acid, and N-acetyl-cysteine are commonly recommended to help protect the liver. For further information on 17aa steroids and hepatotoxicity, see the following article:

    Hepatotoxicity: Fact or Fiction, by Roy Harper

    When taking methyl 1-test, it is best to start out with at least a week at a dose of 5-10 mg to see how one reacts. Many users find this range to be effective, while others feel the ideal amount is 20-40 mg. It comes down to the experience, goals, and individual reaction. Many find a lower dose to be just as effective as a higher one, but with less side effects. With a compound such as this, it is generally best to be on the side of caution, especially for those that are less experienced with steroids. Most seem to find their ideal dose to be in the 10-30 mg range. Cycle length should be kept short, in the range of 1-4 weeks. Finally, it is especially important to take adequate time off after each cycle with this substance to allow the body to recover.

    M1t will not aromatize to estrogen. So there is no need to run any anti-estrogen during the m1t cycle, unless Your stacking with 4-ad or testosterone of some sort, in which case you should use a SERM if your prone to gyno, but don't really need to use a SERM if you know your not prone to gyno and are running a low dose of either.

    Common side effects of cycling M1T include:
    Liver toxicity
    Lethargy
    Loss of appetite
    Increase in blood pressure
    Very distinct muscle pumps
    Supressed HPTA
    Decrease in blood sugar levels

    Common countermeasures to the most common side effects are:
    Liver toxicity - Milk thistle
    Lethargy - 4-ad or any testosterone
    Loss of appetite - B-12
    Increase in blood pressure - Hawthorne berry extract
    blood sugar levels - Keep your carb intake at a healthy level

    If liver toxicity is a major concern during the 4 weeks of the ON cycle period, you should use milk thistle at approzimately 1 gram ED. However, liver toxicity should not be an issue if you use 10 mg of m1t ED, as is suggested. And i can not stress enough that 10 mg of m1t is all users need to make serious gains.

    Supressed HPTA can be helped during a cycle by supplementing with tribulus, but only to a certain extent, its not going to keep you at your normal level of test production, its only going to help keep your testicles around their normal size.

    Very distinct muscle pumps can not be helped, for most people this isn't a problem, you should enjoy getting an insane pump, but for others this is a problem because they do other activities that require them to not have very pumped muscles.

    The blood sugar issue makes using m1t for cutting a bad idea. Cutting carbs like alot of people do when they are cutting is also going to make your lethargy really bad.

    A sample cycle of M1t (this is merely a guideline):


    Weeks 1-4: 10 mg ED of M1t
    Weeks 1-4: 400 mg ED of transdermal 4-ad
    Weeks 1-4: 1500 mg ED of hawthorne berry extract

    PCT:
    Weeks 5-8: 40 mg ED of Nolvadex for the first two weeks, Then down to 20 mg ED of Nolvadex
    Weeks 5-8: Clomid Therapy, 300 mg of clomid first day, 100 mg of clomid next 10 days, 50 mg of clomid for final 10 days of clomid therapy.
    Weeks 5-8: Milk Thistle 1000 mg of milk thistle ED

    Users using a cycle either exactly like this or similar to this are commonly reporting 15-20 pounds in LBM. Most of which can be maintained with the proper PCT.

    Not required for pct but alot of people like to supplement with creatine and/or clenbuterol during pct to maintain strength and mass gains.

    Underground labs is the best value for m1t. Since it is all the same compound you should go with the cheapest brand, because it is the same compound and one molecule of m1t can not be better or worse than the next molecule.
    Last edited by nsa; 01-10-2005 at 09:15 PM.

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    never whahaha

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    Good post, I'm gonna be doing that exact cycle he mentioned there. Lets keep this one on top.

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    Good Good

    I will reffer the thousands of M1T questions I get to this thread!

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    Anyone notice how the questions in the supplement forum have dimished alot since the posting of the faq's recently?

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    Thanks for the info...I just placed my order for this exact cycle....
    Will let you know how it goes!!!!!

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    Bump for newbs....

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    This might be a dumb qustion

    PCT:
    Weeks 5-8: 40 mg ED of Nolvadex for the first two weeks, Then down to 20 mg ED of Nolvadex
    Weeks 5-8: Clomid Therapy, 300 mg of clomid first day, 100 mg of clomid next 10 days, 50 mg of clomid for final 10 days of clomid therapy.
    Weeks 5-8: Milk Thistle 1000 mg of milk thistle ED
    Do you need all of these supp for your PCT or just or just 1 of the 3 for the 5-8 week?...Sorry im new to this,I had to ask.

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    Yes, you need all of them if you want to keep your gains and have a normal liver.

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    Thanks

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    According to the above post, I can buy m1t over the counter but I'll need to find a source for the products needed for PCT. Since I currently do not have a source - and have no desire to find one - should I forget about using m1t? Or are there other (perhaps less effective) products that can be purchased legally for PCT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad_man
    According to the above post, I can buy m1t over the counter but I'll need to find a source for the products needed for PCT. Since I currently do not have a source - and have no desire to find one - should I forget about using m1t? Or are there other (perhaps less effective) products that can be purchased legally for PCT?

    bro i just ordered some m1t and some nolva, clomid for pct. no problem getting pct supplies. they all were delivered to my country today why dont you have a desire to find a source for pct supplies? you can purhase them legally from research companies.

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    Well, maybe I'm misunderstanding. I thought clomid and nolva were only available via the black market in the USA. I may be more open to purchasing this way next year when i get my green card, but for now I'm not doing anything that could get me in a little trouble, not even jaywalking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad_man
    Well, maybe I'm misunderstanding. I thought clomid and nolva were only available via the black market in the USA. I may be more open to purchasing this way next year when i get my green card, but for now I'm not doing anything that could get me in a little trouble, not even jaywalking.
    yes it is available in the blackmarket BUT these research companies sell it legally for research purposes only. thats the loophole anyway just pm me if you need the pct companies.

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    nsa, excelent post!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad_man
    nsa, excelent post!!
    check your pms man. good luck

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    Is Novedex the same as Nolvadex ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z2001
    Is Novedex the same as Nolvadex??
    Ha, yes. Nolvadex is the correct spelling.

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    Im guessing that the novedex your talking about is something like clomafen is to clomid, not the real thing but it claims to have to same effects even though it doesn't.

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    I bought all of this:
    M1t
    Transdermal 4-ad
    Hawthorne berry extract
    Milk Thistle

    I just cant seem to find any of the
    Clomid or Nolvadex

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z2001
    I bought all of this:
    M1t
    Transdermal 4-ad
    Hawthorne berry extract
    Milk Thistle

    I just cant seem to find any of the
    Clomid or Nolvadex
    check your pms man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z2001
    I bought all of this:
    M1t
    Transdermal 4-ad
    Hawthorne berry extract
    Milk Thistle

    I just cant seem to find any of the
    Clomid or Nolvadex
    Alert the scammers!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsa
    Yes, you need all of them if you want to keep your gains and have a normal liver.
    bro if m1t makes you hella lethargic even with 4ad, how are you suppose to work out like mad when you go to the gym? do you just force yourself to lift or what? i cannot picture it.

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    I force myself to lift, with 400 mg of 4-ad the lethargy shouldn't be too bad.

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    Anyone use Estrodex before,IM still having problem finding Nolvadex

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z2001
    Anyone use Estrodex before,IM still having problem finding Nolvadex
    sorry bro never tried it.

    guys im on day 2 m1t i dont feel lethargic at all, a bit spaced out is all the sides, so far so good, il keep my fingers crossed!

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    I don't feel the effects of m1t until like day 4 or 5.

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    guys im on day 2 m1t i dont feel lethargic at all, a bit spaced out is all the sides

    keep us up dated on what kind of results you get.Good luck

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    Is LGP 4-AD + in Squits (240ml per 2 squits skin rub on) any good, thats what i was sent when i ordered the 4 AD,Or Do i need to place another order to get it in a pill form?? Thanks for the help!
    Last edited by Z2001; 06-03-2004 at 08:26 AM.

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    It should be good, How many mg/ml is it?

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    Supplement Facts:

    Serving Size: 2 mL
    Servings Per Container: 120

    Amount Per Serving:

    17a-Methyl-4-Androstene-3, 17b-diol
    Amount Per Serving: 4.2mg

    4-Androstene-4, 17b-ol-3-one
    Amount Per Serving: 25mg

    4-Androstene-3, 17b-diol
    Amount Per Serving: 50mg
    Last edited by Z2001; 06-03-2004 at 10:52 AM.

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    I would say 5 squirts ED.
    Last edited by nsa; 06-03-2004 at 02:47 PM.

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    Ok sounds good, thanks for the help nsa

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    No problem.

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    Bump for the newbies still asking questions without researching...

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    I'm only 130 lbs. 5'8'' - what kind of dosage do you guys recomend me taking? I'm new to this - just barely hitting the gym. I'd like to gain 20 lbs. Wonder if this is possible.

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    Dose i'd recomend, NONE. Don't take this until you have trained for a long time, you shouldn't even take 1-ad/4-ad stack until you've been training for a while. You still have plenty of growth to obtain naturally, just get your diet and training in check, start supplementing with whey, multivitamin and creatine and you'll see more gains than you ever thought you could gain.

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